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Post by Montanarchist » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:16 am

Trishntek wrote:Ohhhhh man that brings up a whole new subject,,,,, should we start a new thread to debate whether e-book applications are deliberately practicing censorship by offering a select library?
Yes, please. I've never considered this and as an author I'm intrigued.

I agree with FIGJAM, as does a lot of the psychological community...though I can't seem to remember the damn word for it.
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Post by cowboyangel » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:19 am

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Kisha you should get your ass fragged for your idiotic support of capitalism and Uncle Tom Bama. Impressed with the medals (if real) but not your fucking brain.
They're real, I can scan and post up the orders for all of them if you like. And thanks.

The feeling might be mutual on the brain thing. Though I'm always intrigued by learning more about how people come to their positions, especially when they are so diametrically opposed to mine-- which of course are the correct conclusions. ;-)

I often read some of these posts and come away wondering if some people actually live in some other completely different universe than I inhabit. I find this quite intriguing. (and frustrating at times)

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Now you seem more real to me. The frag reference, as you know, was meant as polite jab. I respect your service more than you can know.
Politics is a goddamn mine field anyway. My thoughts always go first to working families, vets the un-employed the the forgotten. Then I start looking for the causes. It focuses almost always around wealth distribution and power. Always has been that.
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Post by DVD Burner » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:20 am

I dont think or remember if I have posted here before.......but!!!

Texas Lawmakers Aim For Guns On College Campuses



by John Burnett




February 4, 2011

Is the answer to mass shootings on college campuses to arm students and staff? Eight states are considering legislation that would allow people to carry a concealed handgun into the lecture hall, the library or the dorm. Ground zero for the debate is Texas, where a proposed law would remove "premises of higher education" as gun-free zones.

"Right now, so-called gun-free zones, I think, ought to be renamed Victims Zones," says state Sen. Jeff Wentworth, a San Antonio Republican who is sponsoring a bill that would allow handguns on campuses. "I just don't want to see a repeat in Texas of what happened at Virginia Tech."

Wentworth was referring to the massacre at Virginia Tech in 2007, when a student killed 32 people on campus and injured many others before turning the gun on himself.

Last September, the University of Texas at Austin had its own scare. Colton Tooley, a 19-year-old math major wearing a dark suit and ski mask, started shooting an AK-47 assault weapon in the air, then ran into a library and committed suicide. No one else was shot. Campus police were praised for their quick response.

Wentworth and other supporters of the proposed law say a citizen with a handgun can possibly take out a campus shooter before police arrive "because when seconds count, the police are only minutes away."

Two years ago, Texas lawmakers rejected a bill allowing concealed-carry on campus. Since then, Republicans have gained a supermajority in the Legislature, and the controversial law has come back stronger than ever.

With 50,000 students, the UT-Austin is one of the biggest schools in the country. Two years ago, the student government, faculty council and President Bill Powers came out against the bill to permit hidden pistols in university buildings; it's legal for license holders to carry on the campus grounds. Powers says his position has not changed.

"Friday night comes on our campus once a week," he says. "Mixing youth, handguns and partying is, in my view, a mix for serious concerns about safety on campus."

On a recent morning, Corey Zipperer, a 21-year-old psychology major, heads to the state Capitol to lobby officials to pass the bill. A spokesman for the Longhorn chapter of Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, he discreetly straps on a .38 Special.

"We get the mature thing a lot — that college students aren't mature enough. And the alcohol thing — that we're all just boozed up all the time," Zipperer says.

In Texas, he points out, to get a concealed handgun license, a person must be 21 years old, have a clean record and no psychiatric disorders, and take a 10-hour instruction course that includes time at a firing range.

"If people think that 21-year-olds are too immature to get a license, it sounds like they have a problem with the whole concept," he says.

When John Woods moved on from Virginia Tech to graduate school in Austin, he thought he had left behind the rampage that killed two of his friends. When the Texas Legislature took up guns on campus, the 26-year-old biology student stepped forward to become a leading voice opposing the bill.

"People think of colleges as just being classrooms, but there's a lot more going on here," Woods says. "We have hospitals on campus. In some cases there are preschools, sensitive labs where there are hazardous materials.

"And this is also something where the Legislature is taking away higher education institution's abilities to make any policy on the issue."

At the student union, math major Logan Healey responds with sarcasm when asked about the proposed conceal-carry law: "So, our suggestion to stop people from bringing guns to campus is to allow other students to bring guns to campus so we can have gunfights."

His friend, Bethany Ellerbrook, chimes in: "That's an awful idea. I hate it."

The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence reports that 22 states have rejected similar legislation. One that did not is Utah, where the University of Utah in Salt Lake City has had a concealed-weapon carry law for five years.

"I'd say the vast majority of our student body doesn't even know about that law, or if somebody does have a handgun in class, I bet you 95 percent of the people would never know about it," says Chase Jardine, president of the student body.

Asked what his own opinion is, he says he's indifferent: "It's just not a topic people talk about."



Let it be known that I said it here first before/after 3 years later or so............This is a moronic idea!

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Post by DVD Burner » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:24 am

I know and love Cowboy and he knows this, and know he started this thread and know not of his views on this.........just letting you know, I love you and am not trying to step on any toes!
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Post by gyre » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:36 am

Why is this a bad idea, or even a debate?

Universities are known attractants for crime.

Is it reasonable to suspend the right to protect yourself for the years you might attend a school?
Protecting yourself from rape is a right, unless you want to continue school?

The idea that schools are somehow not part of the real world isn't moronic, it's delusional.

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Post by Elderberry » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:40 am

cowboyangel wrote:
ygmir wrote:
cowboyangel wrote: yeah, Lorino Siberia. 1982 Greenpeace Whale slaughter exposition.
Drug dealer.across the street, Pennsylvania Ave. San Francisco junk yard.

Kisha you should get your ass fragged for your idiotic support of capitalism and Uncle Tom Bama. Impressed with the medals (if real) but not your fucking brain.
CA:
I appreciate a lot of what you post, and have posted.
BUT:
it's bullshit, and speaks of "low thinking" to call for harm to someone you disagree with.
Maybe try to pull them knuckles off the ground as you walk, and have discussions, if you think you're going to change any minds.


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Good advice but it was meant in a humorous frame....some people show affection with that kind of talk...
I actually didn't take it as a threat. I'm used to his writing style and passion.

And those weren't rifle cross hairs on Sarah Palin's map either.

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Post by cowboyangel » Fri Feb 04, 2011 4:55 pm

Yeah! went to the range today and once again proved to myself that when push comes to shove, even 2 3/4" 00 buck is much much better to have around than .40 at 50'----though I hit the smallish target enough times with the pistol to be respectful. The Remington sounds more------macho!. Avoid Russian ammo....Wolf...it sucks...btw...some Russian dude showed up today wearing dinner pants and a white dress shirt...to the fucking range! These people..... as my Lithuanian grandmother would say.....

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Post by Trishntek » Fri Feb 04, 2011 5:25 pm

DVD Burner wrote:
I dont think or remember if I have posted here before.......but!!!

Texas Lawmakers Aim For Guns On College Campuses
Your article fails to mention the shootings stopped or thwarted by armed citizens. Check out this thread's page 38 for a short example.

Dear DVD, we are all so very glad to hear your anti-gun position,,,, just keep burning DVD's and leave the dangerous tools to the rest of us.
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Post by DVD Burner » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:43 pm

Trishntek wrote:DVD Burner wrote:
I dont think or remember if I have posted here before.......but!!!

Texas Lawmakers Aim For Guns On College Campuses
Your article fails to mention the shootings stopped or thwarted by armed citizens. Check out this thread's page 38 for a short example.

Dear DVD, we are all so very glad to hear your anti-gun position,,,, just keep burning DVD's and leave the dangerous tools to the rest of us.
http://eplaya.burningman.org/viewtopic. ... start=1110

noted!

i'll check this out later as I usually do!


oh and mind you ALL, I am one of the ORIGINAL BURNERS!

We had a shooting Gallery in the beginning!

I am not against guns!


We used to shoot up Barney on the end of a 4x4!

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Post by DVD Burner » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:52 pm

Trust me, in less than three years, Texas will be a fuck up with the passing of this law!


I'm always right, or close to it on this one!

Leave this to me to be right!

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Post by DVD Burner » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:02 pm

Or ask "K" or ISO!

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Post by DVD Burner » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:05 pm

OH OH OH....... Ask Little flower!



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Post by DVD Burner » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:06 pm

Sorry Trish!

It's all about cred!

You have none yet! :lol:
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Post by goathead » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:08 pm

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Post by DVD Burner » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:16 pm

goathead wrote:[youtube][/youtube]
Not calling you a Moron Goat but here are the facts!

THIS ONLY HAPPENS IN AMERICA WITH MORONS WITH GUNS!

Not the UK or CANADA or anywhere else!

HOWEVER, you do have a point BEING YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN AMERICA WITH MORONS!




End of story!


Well let me add, Americans in general are idiots!
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Post by DVD Burner » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:24 pm

before you do it, yeah there was that only time there was those MORONS that went into a mall a year or so ago in Canada for the first time that got influenced by Americans with a long black cape/coats to shoot up a bunch of people..........................

Only in America does this dumb shit happen.

This is a fact!

Americans are MORONS!

Only in America would this dumb shit happen!

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Post by Elderberry » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:24 pm

cowboyangel wrote:
jkisha wrote:
cowboyangel wrote:
Kisha you should get your ass fragged for your idiotic support of capitalism and Uncle Tom Bama. Impressed with the medals (if real) but not your fucking brain.
They're real, I can scan and post up the orders for all of them if you like. And thanks.

The feeling might be mutual on the brain thing. Though I'm always intrigued by learning more about how people come to their positions, especially when they are so diametrically opposed to mine-- which of course are the correct conclusions. ;-)

I often read some of these posts and come away wondering if some people actually live in some other completely different universe than I inhabit. I find this quite intriguing. (and frustrating at times)

JK
Now you seem more real to me. The frag reference, as you know, was meant as polite jab. I respect your service more than you can know.
Politics is a goddamn mine field anyway. My thoughts always go first to working families, vets the un-employed the the forgotten. Then I start looking for the causes. It focuses almost always around wealth distribution and power. Always has been that.
I hope we have a chance to say hello at the meet-n-greet.

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Post by DVD Burner » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:27 pm

Please counter as I am sure you will not! :?
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Post by DVD Burner » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:31 pm

jkisha wrote:
cowboyangel wrote:
jkisha wrote: They're real, I can scan and post up the orders for all of them if you like. And thanks.

The feeling might be mutual on the brain thing. Though I'm always intrigued by learning more about how people come to their positions, especially when they are so diametrically opposed to mine-- which of course are the correct conclusions. ;-)

I often read some of these posts and come away wondering if some people actually live in some other completely different universe than I inhabit. I find this quite intriguing. (and frustrating at times)

JK
Now you seem more real to me. The frag reference, as you know, was meant as polite jab. I respect your service more than you can know.
Politics is a goddamn mine field anyway. My thoughts always go first to working families, vets the un-employed the the forgotten. Then I start looking for the causes. It focuses almost always around wealth distribution and power. Always has been that.
I hope we have a chance to say hello at the meet-n-greet.

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Post by Elderberry » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:32 pm

Trishntek wrote:Ohhhhh man that brings up a whole new subject,,,,, should we start a new thread to debate whether e-book applications are deliberately practicing censorship by offering a select library?
In all fairness, lots of books, especially books in print before Kindle and books that didn't sell enough copies, are not available in ebook format. Every book that isn't available as an ebook (at least on Amazon) has a link to request that the publisher makes it available. So, if enough people ask to entice the publisher, then it gets made.

He (Rumell) has some of his works available for free on his website in PDF format. I just haven't had time to download/read them.

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Post by DVD Burner » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:35 pm

Sorry Cowboy!

J.K. Has diluted your thread here!

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Post by DVD Burner » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:36 pm

I LIKE GUNS!
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Post by goathead » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:43 pm

DVD Burner wrote:Not calling you a Moron Goat but here are the facts!

THIS ONLY HAPPENS IN AMERICA WITH MORONS WITH GUNS!

Not the UK or CANADA or anywhere else!

HOWEVER, you do have a point BEING YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN AMERICA WITH MORONS!




End of story!


Well let me add, Americans in general are idiots!
Seems to be happening in Egypt right now.
Iran last year.
Thugs with guns vs people without.

Are they idiots for letting themselves be disarmed?

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Post by Elderberry » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:52 pm

goathead wrote:[youtube][/youtube]
She has an interesting story and makes some good points.

But let me ask you this. How many people in the entire country have ever been in her situation in the last say year? 1? 10? 100? 1000?

And how many people are in the US (adults)? 210,000,000 give or take.

It just defies the odds that with the small number of incidents compared to the large number of people owning guns that you would ever be in that gal's predicament; which makes the argument that you need a gun for protection pretty weak.

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Post by goathead » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:55 pm

DVD Burner wrote:I LIKE GUNS!
doesn't really matter if you like them or not.

sort of like free speech.

might not agree with what anyone says, but it is their right to say it.

rights and freedoms come with a price

if you want safety, the state will be right with you.

sit down, shut up, and they will take care of you.

just drink the kool aid and be happy

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Post by goathead » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:01 am

jkisha wrote:She has an interesting story and makes some good points.

But let me ask you this. How many people in the entire country have ever been in her situation in the last say year? 1? 10? 100? 1000?

And how many people are in the US (adults)? 210,000,000 give or take.

It just defies the odds that with the small number of incidents compared to the large number of people owning guns that you would ever be in that gal's predicament; which makes the argument that you need a gun for protection pretty weak.

JK
it doesn't really matter JK.
it doesn't matter if you own a firearm or not.
it doesn't matter if you enjoy shooting or not.
do we want to limit our rights based on the number of people in a certain situation? for the "benefit" of society?

hell if we want to go down that road we should outlaw beer, wine, hard liquor, cars, just think of the numbers of people whould would not die if we did that.

shootings suck, so does dying of cancer or by a drunk driver though.
we would all be so heathy and safe though.

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Post by gyre » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:53 am

jkisha wrote: She has an interesting story and makes some good points.

But let me ask you this. How many people in the entire country have ever been in her situation in the last say year? 1? 10? 100? 1000?

And how many people are in the US (adults)? 210,000,000 give or take.

It just defies the odds that with the small number of incidents compared to the large number of people owning guns that you would ever be in that gal's predicament; which makes the argument that you need a gun for protection pretty weak.

JK
I'm having trouble even following this argument.
What is a 'small' number of incidents, and what difference would that make anyway?
Use of guns for self defense is overwhelming in numbers compared to criminal use.
The ratio just depends on how you measure it, since law enforcement keeps no accurate records on either.

How many deaths do you have to prevent to be "reasonable"?
If its my own, once is enough.

Whose life is not worth saving?
Which rapes are not worth preventing?

According to the police, almost all crime here involves guns.
What do you do at gunpoint when unarmed?

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Post by magic8ball » Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:36 am

we are not have many guns here. Pistols is ok, rifles not so .
the shootgun is allowed.
most assassination of politician is with rifle, so, they want us to not have.
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Post by goathead » Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:44 am

jkisha wrote:which makes the argument that you need a gun for protection pretty weak.

JK
Never owned a firearm for protection.

Own them because it is my right to do so.

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Post by goathead » Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:53 am

gyre wrote:I'm having trouble even following this argument.
What is a 'small' number of incidents, and what difference would that make anyway?
Use of guns for self defense is overwhelming in numbers compared to criminal use.
The ratio just depends on how you measure it, since law enforcement keeps no accurate records on either.

How many deaths do you have to prevent to be "reasonable"?
If its my own, once is enough.

Whose life is not worth saving?
Which rapes are not worth preventing?

According to the police, almost all crime here involves guns.
What do you do at gunpoint when unarmed?
gyre it doesn't matter what we own them for, that is all just side show BS.

it is a Right, period, just like free speech.

what I find interesting is some want to limit or give up some rights that we have now, while fighting for more rights of their own.

i support expanding some of those rights, but i will be dammed if i support limiting our current rights.

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