BURN EFFIGY OF REPUBLICAN CONVENTION AT BRC

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:12 pm

cowboyangel wrote:......we can make an awesomely powerful statement right here on the playa!!!!!! No one can burn like we can...no one....

-cowboyangel

Hey, that was what I was gonna say in the Miss Black Rock 2004 contest! You still up for that, Cowboy?

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:21 pm

sure.......

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:27 pm

Glad your gonna be there, Cowboy!

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:32 pm

Boy! You really had me goin' there! I was askin' myself: Is he actually going to do any of the wild and crazy things he says he's gonna do? I was afraid you might be completely full of shit or something.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 12:00 am

well sometimes I'm partially full of shit.........

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 2:43 am

Do you mind if I just call you "Partly"?
Tell you what there "Partly", if ya'll just mosey on back to the politics-all-day corral and promise not to start any more "Fullashit" threads, I won't follow you around chanting your new playa name. Kinda sings though.

Move along... Move along... Shows over....

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 4:48 am

cowboyangel wrote:well sometimes I'm partially full of shit.........

partially?

I would say your cup is, at a minimum... half full.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 7:29 am

Simply Joel wrote:
cowboyangel wrote:well sometimes I'm partially full of shit.........
partially?

I would say your cup is, at a minimum... half full.

I am so duly impressed with my own optimisitic outlook stated above.... the cup is half full, not half empty.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 7:30 am

oops... typo... "optimistic"

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:24 am

Simply Joel wrote:oops... typo... "optimistic"

good morning Joel...I think knowing your droll outlook on things in general...I'll take this as a compliment.....

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:28 am

morning all!

yeah baby!

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:36 am

DVD Burner wrote:morning all!

yeah baby!

2cd that DVD man!

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 9:01 am

cowboyangel wrote:
Simply Joel wrote:oops... typo... "optimistic"
good morning Joel...I think knowing your droll outlook on things in general...I'll take this as a compliment.....

as you well should.

ok, back to politics... that mushy stuff makes my tummy feel funny.

July 19, 2004
OP-ED COLUMNIST
An Emerging Catastrophe
By BOB HERBERT

Drive through some of the black neighborhoods in cities and towns across America and you will see the evidence of an emerging catastrophe — levels of male joblessness that mock the very idea of stable, viable communities.

This slow death of the hopes, pride and well-being of huge numbers of African-Americans is going unnoticed by most other Americans and by political leaders of both parties.

A new study of black male employment trends has come up with the following extremely depressing finding: "By 2002, one of every four black men in the U.S. was idle all year long. This idleness rate was twice as high as that of white and Hispanic males."

It's possible the rate of idleness is even higher, said the lead author of the study, Andrew Sum, who is director of the Center for Labor Market Studies at Northeastern University in Boston.

"That was a conservative count," he said. The study did not consider homeless men or those in jail or prison. It is believed that up to 10 percent of the black male population under age 40 is incarcerated.

While some of the men not working undoubtedly were ill or disabled, the 25 percent figure is still staggeringly high. And for some segments of the black male population, the situation is even worse.

Among black male dropouts, for example, 44 percent were idle year-round, as were nearly 42 of every 100 black men aged 55 to 64.

"I was surprised by the magnitude of the population that was idle all year-round," said Professor Sum. "Typically, some groups will find work part of the year, but not the other part, and you end up with a high joblessness rate. But here we've got a growing number of men just not working at all."

Black men, already in an employment crisis, were hit particularly hard by the last recession and have not done well in the fitful recovery that followed. Jobless rates for some subgroups, black teenagers for example, have been all but off the charts.

Professor Sum and his colleagues got closer than official statistics usually get to the dismal employment reality of black men by using the so-called employment-population ratio, which represents the percentage of a given population that is employed at a given time. The government's official unemployment statistics are often misleading, particularly because people who have stopped looking for work are not counted.

Things fall apart when 25 percent of the male population is jobless. (This does not even begin to address the very serious problems of underemployment, such as part-time or temporary jobs, and extremely low-wage work.) Men in a permanent state of joblessness are in no position to take on the roles of husband and father. Marriage? Forget about it. Child support? Ditto.

For the most part, jobless men are not viewed as marriageable material by women. And they are hardly role models for young people.

Those who remain jobless for a substantial period of time run the risk of becoming permanently unemployable.

This is a tragic situation for the men and their families and a serious problem for society at large. Such a huge all-but-permanently-unemployed population is an obstacle to efforts to achieve full employment and its accompanying benefits. These men are not contributing to tax revenues and they are consuming public and social services. And some, inevitably, are engaged in criminal and other anti-social behavior.

Figuring out ways to get this population gainfully employed would turn a net societal deficit into a real benefit.

Finally, it's just wrong to allow so many Americans to remain in a state of social and economic degradation without attempting to alter the conditions responsible for their suffering.

Education is one of the keys here. As Professor Sum found, 44 percent of black men with no high school diploma were idle year-round versus 26 percent of those with a diploma, and 13 percent of those with a bachelor's (or higher) degree.

The distance from the idleness of the street corner to the warmth of a thriving family is not really that far, especially when a helping hand is offered. But we'll never offer the helping hand if we fail to recognize that there's a problem.

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

Recommendations, anyone?

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 10:54 am

Give them free tickets to Burning Man? Apparently there are folks worried about the 'whiteness' of the event.

Sorry, wrong thread.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 11:44 am

Now, Joel, I'm tempted to take issue with your misplaced emphasis on national politics and social concerns, re: what is nominally an international art festival, but I doubt whether [email protected] will ever read this far down in the thread.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 11:53 am

point taken.

Tancorix · Post by **Tancorix** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 11:57 am

From the ePlaya Forum Index, Community Subsection, here is the official description:

General Discussion
All things outside of Burning Man.

Emphasis should be applied to the second sentence.
It might appear that someone misunderstood this or forgot about it.
Carry on Joel.

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 12:11 pm

Point taken, Tanc... But that doesn't mean that just because you get tired of being called 'Joel's-punching-bag', you change your name to "Partly Fullashit" and go off and start another poli thread. Nobody's sayin' 'ol Partly can't discuss politics. Just don't drown out every other thread in the general section. And I'm going to tell the lying motherfucker we want the FUCK thread back, too. Loudly, and as often as necessary.

Oh, and welcome back Marco Polo!

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 1:39 pm

Sensei wrote:Do you mind if I just call you "Partly"?
Tell you what there "Partly", if ya'll just mosey on back to the politics-all-day corral and promise not to start any more "Fullashit" threads, I won't follow you around chanting your new playa name. Kinda sings though.

Move along... Move along... Shows over....

sensei.... are you a closet republican????

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 1:48 pm

Suddently a landmine expolded under the entire thread, tossing words, letters, and punctuation in every direction!

Once the dust had settled again, the brilliant light of the explosion had dimmed to the already dazzling light of playa dayand the winds had swept most of the pieces away to become the poems of dreamers, all that was left was a single word:

SILENCE.

RIP, thread.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 1:53 pm

ok by me as it's now become the hate thread.....so much for "free speech"

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 2:00 pm

So much for trying for a non-acrimonious ending to something which will not improve.

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 2:00 pm

Rian Jackson wrote:Suddently a landmine expolded under the entire thread, tossing words, letters, and punctuation in every direction!

Once the dust had settled again, the brilliant light of the explosion had dimmed to the already dazzling light of playa dayand the winds had swept most of the pieces away to become the poems of dreamers, all that was left was a single word:

SILENCE.

RIP, thread.

I blame the Israelis.

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 2:02 pm

cowboyangel wrote:ok by me as it's now become the hate thread.....so much for "free speech"

Selective free speech? Non-hate free speech only? Not feeling the love there cowboy.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 2:05 pm

Rob the Wop wrote:
cowboyangel wrote:ok by me as it's now become the hate thread.....so much for "free speech"
Selective free speech? Non-hate free speech only? Not feeling the love there cowboy.

well Rob.....you must admit...it's pretty weighted and.....I'm sure not representative of the best that's out there....

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 2:10 pm

cowboyangel wrote:
Rob the Wop wrote:
cowboyangel wrote:ok by me as it's now become the hate thread.....so much for "free speech"
Selective free speech? Non-hate free speech only? Not feeling the love there cowboy.
well Rob.....you must admit...it's pretty weighted and.....I'm sure not representative of the best that's out there....

oh yeah...what happened to the "discussion" part of the thread?????

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 2:11 pm

ENOUGH!!!!

You've all been bad children. Well, most of you.

Line up for your spankings.

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 2:18 pm

cowboyangel wrote:
cowboyangel wrote:
Rob the Wop wrote: Selective free speech? Non-hate free speech only? Not feeling the love there cowboy.
well Rob.....you must admit...it's pretty weighted and.....I'm sure not representative of the best that's out there....
oh yeah...what happened to the "discussion" part of the thread?????

Actually just pitching you shit there. 'Free Speech' is a buzzword and often misapplied. I just thought it funny to see you use that phrase about someone else's speech.

"Hey, my 'free speech' is better than your 'free speech'! So shuttup!!"

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 2:24 pm

Hey, I'm just a minor spearchucker w/ The Committee of Public Safety (aka DPW), but I'm not quite sure who's playing Danton and/or Robespierre here.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 2:54 pm

I think Joel fends for himself pretty well. better than anyone else that has the slightest amount of guts he does for sticking up for what he believes in.
Lets give him some credit. I give tons of respect to Joel even if I do disagree with some of his philosophies.

BURN EFFIGY OF REPUBLICAN CONVENTION AT BRC

Re: BURN EFFIGY OF REPUBLICAN CONVENTION AT BRC

Recommendations, anyone?