Are Republicans Putting the nail in their coffin?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:46 pm

ygmir wrote:
Packoderm wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:

LAZY! Packoderm asked BADGER a question...... A "very simple question"........I guess Badger gave the most simplest answer he could come up with........even if it was not that much figured out before he posted!

Bet some are gonna try to post things I have posted in the same/similar context?

Challenge is there, bet no one can be precise about it!
Actually, I am happy with that answer. It illustrates the notion that our blend of capitalism and socialism might be the best game in town. We might do some rearranging of the deck chairs, but our boat is fairly seaworthy and patching up any holes is worth the effort to keep her afloat. Really, most anything Obama proposes isn't any more fundamentally counter to all of our overall best interest than McCain's would have been. Nobody of substance is proposing Soviet style communism just as nobody wants raw capitalism as what we had during the early industrial revolution. We've witnessed both, and they're both too extreme. Myself, I thank those who fought brick in hand for our weekends off, and I thank those who keep every business entity from resembling the Department of Motor Vehicles.
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DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:49 pm

Trishntek wrote:Since everybody is so hot to trot on this revolution kick,,,,, just one question.

What is the ultimate goal of the revolution?

It should be beyond obvious!

To make things right FOR ALL!

I know it must be a new concept but the world will be a better place if everyone can live in peace/comfort!

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:51 pm

ygmir wrote:were I to revolt, it'd be towards anarchy.........to severely decrease the size and scope of gov.

Not total anarchy, mind you, but, much closer than we are now.

Brilliantly posted!

Thanks for putting thought into your post!

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:24 am

DVD Burner wrote:
ygmir wrote:were I to revolt, it'd be towards anarchy.........to severely decrease the size and scope of gov.

Not total anarchy, mind you, but, much closer than we are now.

Brilliantly posted!

Thanks for putting thought into your post!

*standing tall and proud, surprised and grateful for a DVD compliment*

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 8:48 am

DVD Burner wrote:
Trishntek wrote:Since everybody is so hot to trot on this revolution kick,,,,, just one question.

What is the ultimate goal of the revolution?
It should be beyond obvious!

To make things right FOR ALL!

I know it must be a new concept but the world will be a better place if everyone can live in peace/comfort!

Right according to whom?

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:15 am

Trishntek wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:
Trishntek wrote:Since everybody is so hot to trot on this revolution kick,,,,, just one question.

What is the ultimate goal of the revolution?
It should be beyond obvious!

To make things right FOR ALL!

I know it must be a new concept but the world will be a better place if everyone can live in peace/comfort!
Right according to whom?

good point!! "Right for all" is impossible, IMHO, for humans.

Post by **Elderberry** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:19 am

LLQchasm wrote:
Trishntek wrote:Since everybody is so hot to trot on this revolution kick,,,,, just one question.

What is the ultimate goal of the revolution?
I've been hoping this would happen since 1980 and so have lots of my friends. There is no goal other than to put fear in tyrants who would turn a revolt Cromwellian given half a chance. What a revolt does is break down government into a smaller size. Globalism is what is killing us. Keeping power local is the key to ridding ourselves of imbalance and parasites who feed off the unknown / unaccounted excesses of taxation. There should be no government larger than what we have at the state level. Our federal government is a parasite that feeds off the 50 states so that it can behave imperially abroad. The acts of "terror" that we hear about have been happening since the Roman empire, but are made an excuse to have global govt. It never fixes it but always increases it in order to make an excuse for an even bigger govt.

Ya, local power. That's the answer. Can we say Chicago? Or a detroit? Or any other city or state for that matter.

JK

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:07 am

jkisha wrote:
LLQchasm wrote:
Trishntek wrote:Since everybody is so hot to trot on this revolution kick,,,,, just one question.

What is the ultimate goal of the revolution?
I've been hoping this would happen since 1980 and so have lots of my friends. There is no goal other than to put fear in tyrants who would turn a revolt Cromwellian given half a chance. What a revolt does is break down government into a smaller size. Globalism is what is killing us. Keeping power local is the key to ridding ourselves of imbalance and parasites who feed off the unknown / unaccounted excesses of taxation. There should be no government larger than what we have at the state level. Our federal government is a parasite that feeds off the 50 states so that it can behave imperially abroad. The acts of "terror" that we hear about have been happening since the Roman empire, but are made an excuse to have global govt. It never fixes it but always increases it in order to make an excuse for an even bigger govt.
Ya, local power. That's the answer. Can we say Chicago? Or a detroit? Or any other city or state for that matter.

JK

I whole heartedly AGREE!

Post by **Elderberry** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:22 am

Trishntek wrote:
jkisha wrote:
LLQchasm wrote: I've been hoping this would happen since 1980 and so have lots of my friends. There is no goal other than to put fear in tyrants who would turn a revolt Cromwellian given half a chance. What a revolt does is break down government into a smaller size. Globalism is what is killing us. Keeping power local is the key to ridding ourselves of imbalance and parasites who feed off the unknown / unaccounted excesses of taxation. There should be no government larger than what we have at the state level. Our federal government is a parasite that feeds off the 50 states so that it can behave imperially abroad. The acts of "terror" that we hear about have been happening since the Roman empire, but are made an excuse to have global govt. It never fixes it but always increases it in order to make an excuse for an even bigger govt.
Ya, local power. That's the answer. Can we say Chicago? Or a detroit? Or any other city or state for that matter.

JK
I whole heartedly AGREE!

I like it when we agree. Now we just have to agree on how to fix it.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:27 am

jkisha wrote:
LLQchasm wrote:
Trishntek wrote:Since everybody is so hot to trot on this revolution kick,,,,, just one question.

What is the ultimate goal of the revolution?
I've been hoping this would happen since 1980 and so have lots of my friends. There is no goal other than to put fear in tyrants who would turn a revolt Cromwellian given half a chance. What a revolt does is break down government into a smaller size. Globalism is what is killing us. Keeping power local is the key to ridding ourselves of imbalance and parasites who feed off the unknown / unaccounted excesses of taxation. There should be no government larger than what we have at the state level. Our federal government is a parasite that feeds off the 50 states so that it can behave imperially abroad. The acts of "terror" that we hear about have been happening since the Roman empire, but are made an excuse to have global govt. It never fixes it but always increases it in order to make an excuse for an even bigger govt.
Ya, local power. That's the answer. Can we say Chicago? Or a detroit? Or any other city or state for that matter.

JK

yup, look at the political figures emanating from said places, especially on the national level....

Post by **Elderberry** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:30 am

ygmir wrote:
jkisha wrote:
LLQchasm wrote: I've been hoping this would happen since 1980 and so have lots of my friends. There is no goal other than to put fear in tyrants who would turn a revolt Cromwellian given half a chance. What a revolt does is break down government into a smaller size. Globalism is what is killing us. Keeping power local is the key to ridding ourselves of imbalance and parasites who feed off the unknown / unaccounted excesses of taxation. There should be no government larger than what we have at the state level. Our federal government is a parasite that feeds off the 50 states so that it can behave imperially abroad. The acts of "terror" that we hear about have been happening since the Roman empire, but are made an excuse to have global govt. It never fixes it but always increases it in order to make an excuse for an even bigger govt.
Ya, local power. That's the answer. Can we say Chicago? Or a detroit? Or any other city or state for that matter.

JK
yup, look at the political figures emanating from said places, especially on the national level....

I'm going to let that one slide

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:43 am

It is unfortunate that the largest cities are always supposed the epitome' of local government. The major cities of this country have all been corrupted by and large due to Federal interventions of one sort or another. Organized crime in the U.S. matured due to prohibitions and legislating moralities. New laws always create new criminals. And to me,,,, lawyers being elected as law makers to legislate bills into laws is a guarantee their interests will flourish.

But then there are islands of communities that continue to function without all the drama even during these troubled times. You don't hear much about them because they simply keep to themselves and take care of their own. But that kind of news doesn't sell much Viagra, cars or beer.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:46 pm

Packoderm wrote:nobody wants raw capitalism as what we had during the early industrial revolution.

I don't believe this. There are "free market" ideologues that would be happy to return that. They may not know what that means, or they may. Either way it scares me--how can people be that dumb?

Oh well.

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:54 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:
Packoderm wrote:nobody wants raw capitalism as what we had during the early industrial revolution.
I don't believe this. There are "free market" ideologues that would be happy to return that. They may not know what that means, or they may. Either way it scares me--how can people be that dumb?

Oh well.

Which begs the questions, "WHY does it scare you?" and "WHAT is your ideology?"

Packoderm · Post by **Packoderm** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:34 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:
Packoderm wrote:nobody wants raw capitalism as what we had during the early industrial revolution.
I don't believe this. There are "free market" ideologues that would be happy to return that. They may not know what that means, or they may. Either way it scares me--how can people be that dumb?

Oh well.

Well, if there are people with that ideology on this board, perhaps they could please answer my simple question about identifying an existing nation that most resembles their desired end result.

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:23 pm

I guess the discussion could go in several directions. One would be whether the end justifies the means. For instance, the transcontinental railroad was accomplished on the backs of Chinese labor among others who worked under horrible conditions rife with injury and death. Entire mountainsides of timber were harvested for ties. The railroad companies were given every-other section of land one mile on each side of the tracks. With current sensitivities, political correctness and ecological considerations, would this be allowed to be accomplished? Probably not,,,, but it is to our good fortune it was done!

Another direction the discussion could go is whether those who are able to work and do NOT should be afforded the same benefits as those who are not able to work. Add to that, the idea that captive criminals are often treated better than our elderly, some think going back to the old days is not such a bad idea.

Another argument can be made that "Capitalism" and "Free Market" are not the same. Capitalism is is an economic system in which the means of production are privately owned and operated for a private profit. Free marketâ€

Dr. Pyro · Post by **Dr. Pyro** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:01 pm

Trishntek, well put.

I am not worthy.
I am not worhty.
I am not worthy.

Now it's time to get back to work. I have a mortgage to pay after all.

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:32 pm

The people were quite aware of what was going on when they threw the Democrats out of office in Wisconsin. There are currently recall proceedings underway right now against at least two of the Democrats that ran to Illinois. All it will take is the recall of one of them. The point will likely be moot after the next election anyway as the Democrats need at least 19 seats to pull this crap. They have 8 seats in the Wisconsin Senate up for election in 2012 and so far it is looking like they might win only 4 of them.

Democrats were given a walloping of historic proportion in many states. It looks like this is going to be repeated on an even larger scale. One thing the people don't like in this country is having a minority in a legislature attempt to dictate their will on the voters. The people will simply throw more of them out the next election.

Democrats tried juvenile tantrums of this sort in Texas in 2003. It didn't work there either. The Democrats are not gaining any popularity out of this. Over 60% of the voters in Wisconsin disapprove of this tactic.

This isn't about "workers rights", this is about money. It is about tax money being funneled to unions who then kick back a portion to the politicians. This is about an NEA that blew $53 million in just 2007 and 2008 greasing the palms of Democrat politicians. They bought those politicians, now they are demanding their money's worth. That's all.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:46 pm

Packoderm wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:
Packoderm wrote:nobody wants raw capitalism as what we had during the early industrial revolution.
I don't believe this. There are "free market" ideologues that would be happy to return that. They may not know what that means, or they may. Either way it scares me--how can people be that dumb?

Oh well.
Well, if there are people with that ideology on this board, perhaps they could please answer my simple question about identifying an existing nation that most resembles their desired end result.

Okay, the board might be different.

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:03 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:
Packoderm wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote: I don't believe this. There are "free market" ideologues that would be happy to return that. They may not know what that means, or they may. Either way it scares me--how can people be that dumb?

Oh well.
Well, if there are people with that ideology on this board, perhaps they could please answer my simple question about identifying an existing nation that most resembles their desired end result.
Okay, the board might be different.

Cryptofishist,,, I have no ax to grind and simply wonder what your alternative would be to a free market system as defined above?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:44 pm

The most hilarious part is, the Repugs that voted for the MORONS are now protesting against who they voted for!

You MORONS VOTED FOR THESE MORONS!

What the fuck is your problem?

Are you really that stupid?

I guess you are!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

No sympathy from me!

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:49 pm

ygmir wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:
ygmir wrote:were I to revolt, it'd be towards anarchy.........to severely decrease the size and scope of gov.

Not total anarchy, mind you, but, much closer than we are now.

Brilliantly posted!

Thanks for putting thought into your post!
*standing tall and proud, surprised and grateful for a DVD compliment*

Thanks!

You more than deserve it!

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:03 pm

ygmir wrote:
Trishntek wrote:
DVD Burner wrote: It should be beyond obvious!

To make things right FOR ALL!

I know it must be a new concept but the world will be a better place if everyone can live in peace/comfort!
Right according to whom?
good point!! "Right for all" is impossible, IMHO, for humans.

Nope!

fact is there is no reason for anyone to want to have BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND THEN SOME only to themselves!

Face facts people!

In fact, let me be the first to set the record straight........lets get real.........TO THE MORONS!

THERE IS NO REASON TO BE THIS GREEDY!

Here are the facts!

America and the British would not get bombed so often if they were not so greedy!

Why should there be people earning 2 dollars a day?

Why should there be people be without clean water?

Why should there be ANY OF THIS?

For any of you that cant figure any of this all out............................

YOU ARE A MORON!

PLAIN AND SIMPLE!

THIS IS A FACT!

IT'S WHY THE ARAB WORLD IS IN AN UPROAR!

YOU ARE STUPID ENOUGH TO NOT GET THIS?

AND FUCK YOU IF YOU DONT GET THIS SHIT!

FACT IS YOU ARE A FUCKED UP MORON!

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:07 pm

fact is there is no reason for anyone to want to have BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND THEN SOME only to themselves!

Face facts people!

In your opinion, how much money should a person have?

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:08 pm

nawp. I disagree.
No matter what "system" is or would be in place, someone won't like it.
It's human nature, IMHO, to find faults with everything.
Agree or not, with the "discontents", the fact is, someone will not like anything you can do.

so, you just gotta do your best, for the most...........

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:12 pm

think about it!

You are stupid enough to not understand why 911 happened!

Bin Laden is wining and so is the Taliban!

Americans for the most part especially Repugs are MORONS!

So are the Dems!

My Motto has always been on eplaya, "POLITICS AND RELIGION ARE FOR SUCKERS" and it seems I still am right!

PROVE ME WRONG!

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:22 pm

So you believe it is okay to kill people, rob each other, trek through the wilderness without roads and communicate with no one?

You believe there is no reason for people to organize in a civilized manner?

You would agree that everyone should take shit where they please and have no regard for others?

You are okay with baby fuckers taking children to do with as they please?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:24 pm

Trishntek wrote:
fact is there is no reason for anyone to want to have BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND THEN SOME only to themselves!

Face facts people!
In your opinion, how much money should a person have?

Enough to take care of all that are around them and then some!

If you need to ask,

Then you too are a MORON!

What the fuck is wrong with you?

How much of a Moron are you that you should have to ask this question?

PLEASE BLOCK ME! YOU ARE BEYOND OBVIOUSLY AN IDIOT!

YOU AND jkisha ARE IDIOTS!

JUST PLONK ME!

Trust me, I am giving you the wisest advise anyone can give you! You really are that stupid and I am not saying this to insult you!

I really don't want to insult you but I am stating a FACT!

YOU ARE AN IDIOT AND I DON'T CARE HOW FINE YOU ARE!

I don't care how well you can suck my dick as you previously posted.

YOU ARE FACTUALLY AN IDIOT and I challenge anyone to PROVE ME WRONG!

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:29 pm

Tell me, DVD,,,, do you masturbate while writing these things? Is that how you get your jollies?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:29 pm

really a stupid question!

Sorry but I have zero tolerance for Morons!

The world is fucked up because of Morons!

BM has a way!

Only Morons cant see this!

It's why I am!