Legality of props for entertainment purpose?

Lysergic · Post by **Lysergic** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 12:08 am

I'm still confused on this aspect, considering previous years where guns were alloved and the current state of the festival now. I'd like to bring juggling knives(not really sharp but big obviously...) and glow in dark, or led lit nunchucks. Also I read that there will be a lot of people twirling stuff like pois and staffs. Does anyone ever play paintball, I mean in the propure enclosure and cleanup it would be so much fun. Or any other info relative would be helpful perhaps?

Thx to all who care
Peace, Lysergic

sgrunspa · Post by **sgrunspa** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 1:02 am

Lysergic wrote:I'm still confused on this aspect, considering previous years where guns were alloved and the current state of the festival now.

I think this is covered in your last post, on the back of the ticket, and in more than one place in the survival guide.

Lysergic wrote: I'd like to bring juggling knives(not really sharp but big obviously...) and glow in dark, or led lit nunchucks. Also I read that there will be a lot of people twirling stuff like pois and staffs.

Juggling knives are not against state or federal law so they would be fine. Last year I saw people carrying swords, but they were dressed as samurai. Use common sense, if you are running around swinging something at people you are going to have a problem. Otherwise there are people walking around with home-made flame throwers and it is fine.

Lysergic wrote: Does anyone ever play paintball, I mean in the propure enclosure and cleanup it would be so much fun. Or any other info relative would be helpful perhaps?

lysergic, you really have to think this stuff through if you don't want people to jump on your posts. how excatly would you clean this up? are you going to scrape up the dirt were a missed shot struck the ground? then do it again 5000 times? It is a leave no trace event. The playa is totally flat. you are not going to play in the city, you would hit people. So you are talking about building some kind of complete enclosure and course? Finally, i don't know how to say this politely but, the idea of running around and shooting people is very antithetical to the nature of the event. Unless of course someone shot them with a paintball gun, and then I think they would kill and eat the offender. I am not saying it happens a lot, but you hear stories.

Lysergic · Post by **Lysergic** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 2:07 am

First off I don't have my ticket yet. Nunchucks are considered a deadly weapon so are illegal to have in public. Somehow I think home-made flame throwers would fit into this category as well. But if people 'do' bring and use them without harm of course, then do you see the contradiction? That is why im posting.

I wouldn't set this up being a noob to BM and all but I don't know if someone else has thought of it before. Wouldnt be all that hard to set up, just require a bunch of wood, tons of tarp or fabric for infrastructure, and floor. You can use inflatables for obstacles, etc, etc, etc.

Maybe I have the wrong impression of this whole festival. I thought it was about having a good time, self-expression, freedom & art. Besides paint splattered people are so sexy!

Oh and I'd hate to break it to you but I'm sure a fair percentage of people attending BM might play paintball on their off-time. Maybe you don't understand paintball is not a violent sport per se?

Anyway this all is probably falling on deaf ears so I shall digress...

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 5:39 am

I may regret this, but [email protected] is probably where you want to clear things up, after you decide whether you want to buy tickets at the current price and figure out what doing a theme camp entails (see main website, bla bla bla).

dragonfly Jafe · Post by **dragonfly Jafe** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 9:13 am

Lysergic wrote: Nunchucks are considered a deadly weapon so are illegal to have in public. Somehow I think home-made flame throwers would fit into this category as well. But if people 'do' bring and use them without harm of course, then do you see the contradiction? That is why im posting...

I think this fits into most everything else - exercise discretion. There are plenty of "weapons" down there, if it is part of your costume or act and you are not threatening anyone or beingt an idiot, then it will be fine. Especially if they are lit up or otherwise decorated.

robotland · Post by **robotland** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 9:25 am

A number of years ago I went with some friends to see "The Road Warrior" in full post-apocalyptic regalia, and on the way to the theater ended up staring down the barrel of a policeman's sidearm even though everything on me was "peacebonded" (wired down) or a prop....Even though many, many violence toys get used on-Playa every year, best to excercise the better part of valor when in doubt. I plan to DRINK myself to death, NOT get shot for holding a squirtgun.

Post by **actiongrl** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 10:11 am

A friendly battle-competition is gainst the event's ethos? I have two words for you and they're both Thunderdome, one of the longest-running and most well-loved theme camps on the playa.

That said, paintball stuff would be a mess to clean up.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 10:17 am

Why not just set up a particle laser hair augmentation booth instead of something just like something you do in the real world?

Make sure you ask to get on the "grid", btw.

Lydia Love · Post by **Lydia Love** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 10:33 am

against the ethos MY ASS! (Have I even been to the same event as the people who'd say this?)

but yeah, the cleanup sounds like a bitch, and so does having to build something that would work as a proper enclosure for it.

Your props should be fine. People dress up quasi-militaristic all the freakin time. Ancient warriors, Mad-Max style, Sci-fi soldiers. Though, if it looks gun-like I'd say make it *WAY* the fuck out there unreal looking for the sake of the LEOs

naga brain · Post by **naga brain** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 10:42 am

If you could build a large enough 'arena' for it so that the stray balls didn't go out somewhere else, that would be relly fun, but hot. I would think that if you had the resources, a walled city with a mesh top could accomplish this.

But the Moop aspect would take a lot of time/energy to pick up. I guess you could have everyone spend 15 minutes after a round picking up the smashed balls and duds. But what a cool gift for those into gladatorial combat. While I would not have the ambition to complete something like this or even have enough energy to help now, I would commend and encourage someone who does and can keep with the LNT ethos.

Hey, you might even win the coveted 'High Liability Award.'

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 10:53 am

Lysergic wrote:I'm still confused on this aspect, considering previous years where guns were alloved and the current state of the festival now. I'd like to bring juggling knives(not really sharp but big obviously...) and glow in dark, or led lit nunchucks. Also I read that there will be a lot of people twirling stuff like pois and staffs. Does anyone ever play paintball, I mean in the propure enclosure and cleanup it would be so much fun. Or any other info relative would be helpful perhaps?

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When BM was moved to the playa only a few people were at the event. Now at over 3.000 folks guns can no longer play a roll. Whirling fire and things that burn have almost always been a part of BM. This is done mostly a the burn it's self. Practise with poi& staff is done on the streets for the room that's needed. Paint ball is some thing that is done in the real world. The event is about doing some thing diferent for most people. Like: I can not understand why some one would come to the playa,(pay big money)just to get so fucking stoned they miss the whole show. Or pay to come to BM and go to rave partys. You party all night and sleep all day. Same as home. You could stay home and buy a drug dream and rave your ass off for less money. Now lit nun-chucks sound interesting. There are stages for that kind of performances. Just ask if you may have the stage before jumping up on it. How the hell old are you?

dragonfly Jafe · Post by **dragonfly Jafe** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 11:13 am

[quote="Lysergic"]...Besides paint splattered people are so sexy!... [quote]

...but bruises are not... (well, maybe to some...!)

Now flaming paintball, figure out how to do that and you may be on to something!

Ivy · Post by **Ivy** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 11:21 am

I know people who spin flaming nunchuks at BM.

I take my sword every year. None of this fake, costume, mamby-pamby stuff--it's a real Turkish scimitar and yes, it has an edge.

honeyfire · Post by **honeyfire** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 3:36 pm

Boy, reading this, anybody would think that no one had ever spread a tarp to catch messy stuff ever before...

a) Doing an LNT paintball arena wouldn't be hard, just expensive and really time-consuming. LNT means taking it all back with you, not just never bringing it in the first place.

b) I don't see how it would be "contrary to the ethos". My impression was that creating interaction was part of the "ethos". Paintball is pretty dern interactive, and it's not like lysergic was proposing to drag people off the the playa and into a paintball arena. The playa is full of stuff that you don't have to participate in if you don't want to.

c) As far as paintball being "something you do out in the world", is that any reason not to do it at BM? "Out in the world", i spin fire, use sunscreen, give massages to people just because they look tense, sing, dance, eat fruit, drink lots of water, give out flowers to people on the street, and go LNT hiking/backpacking/camping.
Does that mean i should not do these things on the playa?

just my tuppence...

honeyfire · Post by **honeyfire** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 3:40 pm

Oh, and
given the amount of unclear contradictory information that is around on the subject of what, besides actual firearms, constitutes a weapon, i don't think lysergic's to be faulting for looking for more feedback.
I personally think that seeking more info beats ignoring other peoples opinions any day...

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 4:37 pm

Keep in mind that the paintball thing was a proposal by a first-timer who obviously knows little about any of the possible (& literal) ramifications*, who I believe hasn't even bought a ticket or has much of an idea of anything wrt to the event much less theme camps, and you're certainly welcome to your opinion, as are the rest of us. The usual advice would be go to the event first before you plunge into a whole new camp proposal.

* blindness, hearing loss, extra monitoring by BR Rangers, crowds of frat girls & boys lining up and leaving beer bottles strewn around the camp, the whole question of how Theme Camps would review the thing wrt those and other elements of safety, originality, vapor-camp-potential, etc.

Lysergic · Post by **Lysergic** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 5:12 pm

HoneyFire you are my hero! Exactly my sentiments....

Thx to all who have finally put this question of mine to rest. I'm now getting a better idea of 'how it will be.' I really didnt want to get jumped by some popo in the middle of the night due to simple ignorance.

I may be inexperienced with burning man, but does that/should that limit imagination?

Obviously for my first time going, I'd rather get a feel for how everything is before I open up a camp that would take much time, work and money to pull off. I'm 23 ans for whoever wondered.

Oh and a side note if anyone cares:

Q. Are backpacks a prevailing attire?

Q. About how far is it across the city, like from plaza to plaza, or from center camp to the burning man? Just trying to get an idea if I need a bike or not.

Burp! · Post by **Burp!** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 5:17 pm

Back Pack Good!! Hydration Packs geat. Hydration pack with lots of pockets even better

It's pretty far cutting across the Diameter these days, I think a bike is a must. Get a cheepy with a cushy seat.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 5:18 pm

Back packs are hot as hell to have on a back. I try to make short trip with just what I will need. You can not trust that it not be stolen if you set it down.

TheJudge · Post by **TheJudge** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 5:47 pm

Actually if you used canvas drop cloths to catch all the stray paintballs, it might make for a fun art piece all its own.

It would look like Jackson Pollack visited Picaso Camp.

Stormy · Post by **Stormy** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 9:22 pm

actiongrl wrote:A friendly battle-competition is gainst the event's ethos? I have two words for you and they're both Thunderdome, one of the longest-running and most well-loved theme camps on the playa.

Exactly. I was thinking Thunderdome as I read this too, and several BDSM camps also. Pain is encouraged by many. Hell, I've had my flesh burned, on purpose, two years in a row.

Lysergic · Post by **Lysergic** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:39 am

Ohhh la la, paintball art!

Steven bradford · Post by **Steven bradford** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:53 pm

Can paintballs be modified to hold chocolate pudding or fruit cocktail?

Cuz that'd be worth the trouble of tarps and enclosed area and cleanup.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 7:54 am

Steven bradford wrote:Can paintballs be modified to hold chocolate pudding or fruit cocktail?

Cuz that'd be worth the trouble of tarps and enclosed area and cleanup.

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Your a strang man Steven Bedford strang.

Steven bradford · Post by **Steven bradford** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:34 pm

That is indeed high praise, straight from the source, no less.

I loved the camp with the fruit cocktail wrestling in 99.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:39 am

FWIW, I did this one.

http://images.burningman.com/index.cgi?image=5798

Christ, never again. Talk about moop...

robotland · Post by **robotland** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:27 am

Steven bradford wrote:Can paintballs be modified to hold chocolate pudding or fruit cocktail?

Cuz that'd be worth the trouble of tarps and enclosed area and cleanup.

...Just fire the "flavor nuggets" from Mrs. Grass's Instant Soup instead of paintballs. Mmmmm, chickeny bullets......

thinkcooper · Post by **thinkcooper** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:54 pm

Too bad this is '04 rather than '96. I dearly hold onto fond memories of gallon jugs of gasoline on the playa, an M1A1, and tracer rounds in the dark. Nice fireballs. That was the stuff that BM legends were built around. Oh well. Good luck.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:03 pm

Likewise, I have fond memories of going back to the '96 site a couple years later and picking up your expended rounds.

thinkcooper · Post by **thinkcooper** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:15 pm

Bob wrote:Likewise, I have fond memories of going back to the '96 site a couple years later and picking up your expended rounds.

Thanks Bob. Good to know you're there covering my back.

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