Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

geospyder · Post by **geospyder** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:06 am

gyre wrote:Tear gas is prohibited?!
Amazing.

Virtually unregulated here if you're over 18.
Only place I can't carry it is a courtroom, and perhaps california.

Yep - California is a problem - since I live so close to the border I tend to forget that I'm carrying when I cross it.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:06 pm

I'm sure they would be very understanding.

geospyder · Post by **geospyder** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:15 pm

gyre wrote:I'm sure they would be very understanding.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:50 am

http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchd ... 21729.html

The proposed rule would apply only to semiautomatic long guns greater than .22-caliber that can accept a detachable ammunition magazine. Stores in Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and California would be covered. It would run on a test basis for a year, Melson said.

Gun used to kill us agent allowed to be smuggled by atf.

The BIG LIE - mexico arms

According to statistics (of the "overwhelming numbers" smuggled) usa guns make little difference in mexico. (as high as 10%, border area or all mexico?? unknown)
Smugglers able to bring in entire shiploads of pseudophedrine are probably able to arrange international arms purchases.
The 50 cals are probably cheaper here.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:29 am

Belt buckle

May not be legal in california

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:22 am

Graph of mexican guns, though most sources say there are no known numbers on total guns, as the information is secret.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:01 am

Perhaps some useful gunsmithing info

http://www.gunsmiths.com/index.php

http://garagegunsmithing.com/

http://www.homegunsmith.com/

http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/

http://www.shootersforum.com/forumdisplay.htm?f=34

http://www.thehighroad.org/forumdisplay.php?f=16

http://www.cncguns.com/forum/index.php

http://www.the-gunsmith.com/index.php

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:09 pm

Wyoming;
"House Bill 167 will now establish, in law, the presumption that a criminal who forcibly enters or intrudes into your home or occupied vehicle is there to cause death or great bodily harm, so the occupant may use force, including deadly force, in self-defense. It will also provide that persons using force authorized by law shall not be prosecuted for using such force and prohibits criminals and their families from suing victims for injuring or killing the criminals who have attacked them. In short, it gives rights back to law-abiding people and forces judges and prosecutors to focus on protecting victims."

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:10 pm

can't sit still wrote:Wyoming;
"House Bill 167 will now establish, in law, the presumption that a criminal who forcibly enters or intrudes into your home or occupied vehicle is there to cause death or great bodily harm, so the occupant may use force, including deadly force, in self-defense. It will also provide that persons using force authorized by law shall not be prosecuted for using such force and prohibits criminals and their families from suing victims for injuring or killing the criminals who have attacked them. In short, it gives rights back to law-abiding people and forces judges and prosecutors to focus on protecting victims."

Once again,,,, proud of my heritage.

Post by **Elderberry** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 10:03 pm

Funny you mention Wyoming. I have gained a newfound respect for that state over the last several days. It is the MOST republican state in the country, yet they voted against an intrusive abortion bill and against a marriage discrimination bill too! Now that is definitely a true small government conservative voting record I can agree with.

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:05 pm

jkisha wrote:Funny you mention Wyoming. I have gained a newfound respect for that state over the last several days. It is the MOST republican state in the country, yet they voted against an intrusive abortion bill and against a marriage discrimination bill too! Now that is definitely a true small government conservative voting record I can agree with.

Now you know where I got my fucked up world view! And the legislature only meets for a few months per year. They have real jobs to attend! Like it or not, you still have smoking sections in bars and restaurants too. You might even find a drive up window at a liquor store here and there. The weather is fucking brutal though,,,,, I do not miss that at all.

Montanarchist · Post by **Montanarchist** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:17 pm

Trishntek wrote: Like it or not, you still have smoking sections in bars and restaurants too.

Back when I lived in Colorado...a long time ago, before their first smoking ban. There was a bar in town which was non-smoking. I hated it when my friends would drag me there (I was a smoker back then) but it was a perfect free-market solution, that didn't totally expose the illusion of property Rights we now have.

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:49 am

can't sit still wrote:Wyoming;
"House Bill 167 will now establish, in law, the presumption that a criminal who forcibly enters or intrudes into your home or occupied vehicle is there to cause death or great bodily harm, so the occupant may use force, including deadly force, in self-defense. It will also provide that persons using force authorized by law shall not be prosecuted for using such force and prohibits criminals and their families from suing victims for injuring or killing the criminals who have attacked them. In short, it gives rights back to law-abiding people and forces judges and prosecutors to focus on protecting victims."

(parody... or is it??)

California...

State Assembly Bill (various) have established, in law, the presumption that a criminal who forcibly enters or intrudes into your home or occupied vehicle is there for the greater benefit of themselves, whether or not they intend to cause death or great bodily harm, so the occupant may never use any means, including force, in self-defense.

It will also provide that criminals using force now authorized by law shall not be prosecuted for using such force and prohibits victims and their families from suing criminals for injuring or killing the victims who they were attacking. In short, it removes all rights from law-abiding people and forces judges and prosecutors to focus on protecting criminals.

City of Berkeley Politburo Member Che X applauded the move as being in line with progressive values, and helps remove the threat to hardworking lawbreakers from plying their trade, and furthers the urbanist agenda to remove firearms from all hard-working law-abiding citizens, and keep them in the hands of those criminals who rely on them to provide for their families.

Sail Man · Post by **Sail Man** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 2:01 pm

Trishntek wrote:
jkisha wrote:
can't sit still wrote:
The state of Wisconsin has gone an entire deer hunting season without someone getting killed. That's great, considering there were over 600,000 hunters that got permits this year.
And a lot of bad shots if you believe the statistics...less than 17% of them actually bagged a deer.

JK
That's making a huge assumption that all of them had a shot at a deer to begin your claim.

Damn straight, thank you. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Sail Man · Post by **Sail Man** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 2:07 pm

jkisha wrote:
Trishntek wrote: THE VICTIMS
91%: Male
80%: Black
23.5%: Were 18 21 years old (the largest age group)
53%: Would not cooperate with police to find who shot them
78%: Have criminal histories
65%: Have been arrested at least twice on drug charges
37%: Have been arrested for felony weapons charges
17%: Qualify as "career criminals"
44%: Are suspected to be "actively involved" in drug trade
80%: Whose first arrest came as a juvenile

THE SUSPECTS
97%: Minority males
91%: Black males
48%: Were 18 21 years old (the largest age group)
92%: Have criminal histories
57%: Have been arrested at least twice on drug charges
81%: Have been arrested for weapons charges
43%: Qualify as "career criminals"
65%: Are suspected of being "actively involved" in drug trade
89%: Whose first arrest came as a juvenile
92%: Cases where victim and suspect were black
31%: Shooting cases cleared by the Wilmington Police Department

Well there you go. So obviously there isn't much reason for white people to even own guns, as most of the crimes involving guns involve non whites.

JK

Well damn! The 1 ea, shotgun, rifle, carbine added last year to our arsenal of democracy must have been all for naught! And crikey, another on lay-away as we speak

What ever will I do? I know!!! Buy another one

think I'll focus on sidearms for awhile.

Sail Man · Post by **Sail Man** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 2:20 pm

gyre wrote:

Gun used to kill us agent allowed to be smuggled by atf.

Yep, I've been following this on Sipsey Street Sipsey Street Irregulars

Our government, at it's best

Sail Man · Post by **Sail Man** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 2:32 pm

geospyder wrote:
Sail Man wrote:I have a CPL so most PFZ's are open to me but I can't carry concealed,...
If you have a CPL (CCW in Nevada) why can't you carry concealed? ...or are you just referring to the PFZs?

I'm just referring to the pfz's, where you must open carry even with a cpl in some of them.

These are areas off limits to open carry without a cpl:
Court buildings
Theaters
Sports Arenas
Day Care Centers
Hospitals
School Zones
Any establishment with ANY liquor license
(Even if they donâ€™t currently sell alcohol)
Airports (Sterile Areas only)
Federal Buildings
Post Offices
Casinos
Banks and Financial Institutions
Church/House of Worship
Vehicles

Those of us with cpl's can carry in some of the above areas, but we must do so, openly. Places where we can do neither include:

Federal Buildings
Post Offices
Casinos
Federal Reserve Banks
Courts
Airports (Sterile Areas only)

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:45 pm

It's funny, isn't it?

If you carry illegally, you can go anywhere you want.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:05 am

This is what I'd like to build for burning man.
Probably wouldn't get a permit though.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:12 am

Massad Ayoob is teaching a class here.
I thought the subject matter might interest some of you.
These are probably held around the country.
This looks very useful to me.

Massad Ayoob, MAG-20 Course
July 30-31, 2011, Saturday-Sunday
Rangemaster, Memphis, TN

Armed Citizens' Rules of Engagement

This is a two-day, 20-hour immersion course in rules of engagement for armed law-abiding private citizens, emphasizing legal issues, tactical issues, and aftermath management. Topics will include interacting with suspects, witnesses, responding police officersâ€¦threat recognition and mind-setâ€¦management of social and psychological aftermath after having had to use lethal force in defense of self or othersâ€¦and preparing beforehand for legal repercussions and minimizing exposure to them. Situations in the home, at the place of business, or "on the street" will all be covered. Prerequisite: none.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:22 am

From the UK anti-knife crime campaign.
This is what a country without personal defense looks like.
Incidentally, we've had a fair number of sword murders here.
Turns out they are deadly.

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:58 pm

gyre wrote:From the UK anti-knife crime campaign.
This is what a country without personal defense looks like.
Incidentally, we've had a fair number of sword murders here.
Turns out they are deadly.

Next thing ya know they'll have criminal background checks to buy a cricket bat.

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:59 pm

fuggin' double post

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:16 pm

Sail Man wrote: Well damn! The 1 ea, shotgun, rifle, carbine added last year to our arsenal of democracy must have been all for naught! And crikey, another on lay-away as we speak What ever will I do? I know!!! Buy another one think I'll focus on sidearms for awhile.

Unfortunately, many of the guns used in these shootings were probably stolen off of crackers like you and me.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:21 pm

Tombstone, Ariz., which was the site of the legendary 1881 Gunfight at the O.K. Corral (made into a 1957 movie), is about 70 miles from the Tucson shopping center where a U.S. congresswoman, a federal judge and others were shot in January. A Los Angeles Times dispatch later that month noted that the "Wild West" of 1881 Tombstone had far stricter gun control than present-day Arizona. The historic gunfight occurred when the marshal (Virgil Earp, brother of Wyatt) tried to enforce the town's no-carry law against local thugs. Today, however, with few restrictions and no licenses required, virtually any Arizonan 18 or older can carry a handgun openly, and those 21 or older can carry one concealed. [Los Angeles Times, 1-23-2011]

silent3486 · Post by **silent3486** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:20 pm

gyre wrote:Trivia
Corbon shuts down for the Sturgis rally.
If you're backordered now, don't hold your breath.

Another contraption
I wish I had a better picture.
It's made of old farm parts.

Wow, I totally saw him at Sturgis in 09! That tractor/cycle is awesome! And Pee Wee Herman was there in 10 riding his Schwinn in front of a bunch of bikers!

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:34 pm

Cool.
I saw good video of this bike or an even weirder one with all sorts of farm bits added to it.

I was in Sturgis once as the rally started to roll in.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:53 pm

I heard an interesting song today.
"Sixteen Shells For My 30.06"
John Hammond

In the style of early Bo Diddley

graidawg · Post by **graidawg** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:50 am

gyre wrote:This is what I'd like to build for burning man.
Probably wouldn't get a permit though.

oh me please i want one! not too worried about the guns but that looks so cool.

it really sucks living in england sometimes

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:38 am

You may be able to put one on the road there.
They can be bought, less weapons.

I suggest you check out the kit car industry there.
You wouldn't have to go far to see the national show.
Even if you're not in the market, the industry is very lively there and interesting.
There are even some hypermilers made that do well.

Someone may be building what you want, or capable of it.
I would differentiate the complete frame and body vehicles as custom, rather than kit.

http://www.kitcarmag.com/eventcoverage/ ... index.html
http://greatbritishsportscars.blogspot. ... t-kit.html
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Kit_car