Immigration, good or bad

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 7:34 pm

spewing racist hate mongering again i see...

your brain must be a terrible thing to taste.

Thecatman · Post by **Thecatman** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:59 pm

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:24 pm

Jobs are going to be increasingly hard to find. This will put a squeeze on immigrants. It will be tough. No Pollyanna attitude will change any of this. It gets down to survival.

pizzamancer · Post by **pizzamancer** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:36 pm

can't sit still wrote:Jobs are going to be increasingly hard to find. This will put a squeeze on immigrants. It will be tough. No Pollyanna attitude will change any of this. It gets down to survival.

Lol. Tell that the the chronically under staffed restaurant industry. It is easy to complain, then go out and buy a $1 hamburger. Think a place that serves burgers for $1 (or spaghetti for $8) can pay a dish washer anything over min wage? Think again.

As usual here, money talks BS walks.

You can yell all you want, but it is the dog who wags the tail, not the other way around.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:01 pm

This is a vid on the federal lawsuit against Arizona for their insistence on control of the border. http://www.youtube.com/embed/tsH8xvjTAlo

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:40 pm

I'm surprised you haven't posted anything on the new anti-immigration bill they are introducing in Texas making it illegal for any business to hire an illegal immigrant and would impose severe penalties. There is one minor exception however. If the illegal immigrants were hired by individuals to do house work, gardening, or any other jobs around a persons house, they would be exempt from the law. It turns out that more than 1/2 the state's population would have been in violation. So for your enlightenment on the hypocrisy, I present: http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookou ... r-the-help

Your tea party at work

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:54 pm

More Texas; http://blogs.chron.com/texaspolitics/ar ... graph.html

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:06 pm

can't sit still wrote:More Texas; http://blogs.chron.com/texaspolitics/ar ... graph.html

So what? That article talks like it's a bad thing.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:34 pm

Frosty Wooldridge writes a lot about the problems caused by over population and immigration. He makes some good points. http://www.rense.com/general93/next.htm

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:36 pm

Simon of the Playa wrote:RENSE.COM IS A CLEARING HOUSE FOR WHACK JOBS, PSEUDO-SCIENTISTS, AND TEA-BAGGERS....LIES AND HALF-TRUTHS..

please...dont insult our intelligence you fucking monkey.

Roberto Dobbisano · Post by **Roberto Dobbisano** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:39 pm

whassup Chicken Shit Still?

Sucking on that short little italian Dick of TOM TANCREDO?

or maybe the sheriff in maricopa counties asshole....either way the taint on your face stinks.

H.G.Crosby · Post by **H.G.Crosby** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:41 pm

relentless....just try me.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:16 am

Quoting JK "So what? That article talks like it's a bad thing."

JK, like most things, it depends on your point of view. If Texas fills up with latinos, some would consider it bad and some would consider it good. One could get drawn into an endless discussion of race , culture and population.
Should homo-sapiens try to make every corner of the planet his niche? Should we just keep on reproducing without limit or guidelines? Should we work towards improving the gene pool. WHAT constitutes an improvement? I don't want to be part of an endless discussion.

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:18 am

IM LATINO, FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!

go away.

you suck, and i will haunt you like the shit stain in your underwear.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:44 pm

Immigration is good. If my Grandpa didn't immigrate from Europe, I'd never be here. The worst kind of immigration is when US companies immigrate to poor foreign countries in search of cheap labor and no labor protections for workers. We can watch our jobs immigrate to the rest of the world and what a few Hispanic millions are doing here ain't nothin compared to that kind of job loss.

You have an enemy and it's called the super rich ( 400 billionaires ) their feeding trough-- the big banks, their victims, the rest of working America.

TomServo · Post by **TomServo** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:54 pm

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:26 pm

By Mahfooz Kanwar, for The Calgary Herald, March 30, 2009
C Copyright (c) The Calgary Herald

Canada 's Immigration Minister Jason Kenney is getting flak from the usual suspects, but he deserves praise instead.

Recently, Kenney pointed that out while at a meeting in Toronto , Members of Canada's Pakistani community called on him to make Punjabi one of Canada 's official languages. It makes me angry that such an idea would enter the minds of my fellow and former countrymen, let alone express them to a Minister of the Crown.

A few months ago, I was dismayed to learn that Erik Millett, the principal of Belleisle School in Springfield , NB , limited playing our national anthem because the families of a couple of his students objected to it.

As a social scientist, I oppose this kind of political correctness, lack of assimilation of new immigrants to mainstream Canada , hyphenated-Canadian identity, and the lack of patriotism in our great nation. Increasingly, Canadians feel restricted in doing things the Canadian way lest we offend minorities. We cannot even say Merry Christmas without fear of causing offence. It is amazing that 77 per cent of the Canadian majority are scared of offending 23 per cent of minorities. We have become so timid that the majority cannot assert its own freedom of expression. We cannot publicly question certain foreign social customs, traditions and values that do not fit into the Canadian ethos of equality.

Rather than encouraging new immigrants to adjust to Canada , we tolerate peculiar ways of doing things. We do not remind them that they are in Canada , not in their original homelands.

In a multicultural society, it is the responsibility of minorities to adjust to the majority. It does not mean that minorities have to totally amalgamate with the majority. They can practice some of their cultural traditions within their homes -- their backstage behaviour.

However, when outside of their homes, their front stage behaviour should resemble mainstream Canadian behaviour. Whoever comes to Canada must learn the limits of our system. We do not kill our daughters or other female members of our families who refuse to wear hijab, niqab or burka (which are not mandated by the Qur'an anyway). We do not kill our daughters if they date the "wrong" men. A 17-year-old Sikh girl should not have been killed in British Columbia by her father because she was caught dating a Caucasian man.

We do not practice the dowry system in Canada , and we do not kill our brides because they did not bring enough dowry. Millions of female foetuses are aborted every year in India , and millions of female infants have been killed by their parents in India and China . Thousands of brides in India are burned to death in their kitchens because they did not bring enough dowry into a marriage. Some 30,000 Sikhs living abroad took the dowries but abandoned their brides in India in 2005. This is not accepted in Canada ..

In some countries, thousands of women are murdered every year for family or religious honour. We should not hide behind political correctness and we should expose the cultural and religious background of these heinous crimes, especially if it happens in Canada . We should also expose those who bring their cultural baggage containing the social custom of female circumcision. I was shocked when I learned about two cases of this barbaric custom practiced in St. Catharines , ON a few years ago. I have said it on radio and television, have written in my columns in the Calgary Herald, and I have written in my latest book, "Journey to Success", that I do not agree with the hyphenated identity in Canada because it divides our loyalties.

My argument is that people are not forced to come to Canada and they are not forced to stay here. Those who come here of their own volition and stay here must be truly patriotic Canadians or go back. I am a first-generation Canadian from Pakistan . I left Pakistan 45 years ago. I cannot ignore Pakistan , because it is the homeland of my folks, but my first loyalty should be and is to Canada . I am, therefore, a proud Canadian, no longer a Pakistani-Canadian. I am a Canadian Muslim, not a Muslim Canadian.

I do not agree with those Canadians who engage in their fight against the system in their original countries on Canadian soil. They should go back and fight from within. For example, some of the Sikhs,Tamil Tigers, Armenians and others have disturbed the peace in Canada because of their problems back home. Recently, a low-level leader of MQM, the Mafia of Pakistan, came to Canada as a refugee and started to organize public rallies to collect funds for their cause in Pakistan . On July 18, 2007, the Federal Court of Canada ruled that MQM is a terrorist group led by London-based Altaf Hussain, their godfather. As a member in the coalition government of Pakistan , this terrorist group is currently collaborating with the Taliban in Pakistan . That refugee was deported back to Pakistan . Similarly, I disagree with newcomers who bring their religious baggage here. For example, Muslims are less than two per cent of the Canadian population, yet in 2004 and 2005, a fraction of them, the fundamentalists, wanted to bring Sharia law to Canada . If they really want to live under Sharia, they should go to the prison-like countries where Sharia is practiced.

I once supported multiculturalism in Canada because I believed it gave us a sense of pluralism and diversity. However, I have observed and experienced that official multiculturalism has encouraged convolution of the values that make Canada the kind of place people want to immigrate to in the first place.

Here, we stand on guard for Canada , not for countries we came from. Like it or not, take it or leave it, standing on guard only for Canada is our national maxim. Remember, O Canada is our national anthem which must not be disregarded by anybody, including the teacher in Springfield , N. B.

Mahfooz Kanwar, PHD, Is A Sociologist And An Instructor Emeritus at Mount Royal College .

Copyright (c) The Calgary Herald

Post by **Elderberry** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:42 pm

There's an old joke that goes like this:

Q: what to you call a person that speaks three languages?
A: tri-Lingual
Q: What do you call a person that speaks two languages?
A: Bi-Lingual
Q: What do you call a person that speaks one language?
A: An American

Why are Americans so proud to be so stupid and narrow minded? The ballots in my town are in three languages, Russian, Spanish and English, just down the road in Beverly Hills they are in Farsi. So what?

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:11 pm

JK, I studied 5 languages. I lived out of the country for about 7 years. I only judge me by,,, me. I observe other cultures. I don't compare myself to others. I compare cultures. I don't evaluate them. I study anthropology. I look at assimilation and prosperity. I try not to judge other cultures. I'm sure that I'm too subjective to be objective about it.
In general, a lack of assimilation brings problems. Other than that, I don't try to judge things that I can't possibly understand completely. I just watch.

Post by **Elderberry** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:09 pm

can't sit still wrote:JK, I studied 5 languages. I lived out of the country for about 7 years. I only judge me by,,, me. I observe other cultures. I don't compare myself to others. I compare cultures. I don't evaluate them. I study anthropology. I look at assimilation and prosperity. I try not to judge other cultures. I'm sure that I'm too subjective to be objective about it.
In general, a lack of assimilation brings problems. Other than that, I don't try to judge things that I can't possibly understand completely. I just watch.

Your posts belie your words.

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:40 am

can't sit still wrote:JK, I studied 5 languages. I lived out of the country for about 7 years. I only judge me by,,, me. I observe other cultures. I don't compare myself to others. I compare cultures. I don't evaluate them. I study anthropology. I look at assimilation and prosperity. I try not to judge other cultures. I'm sure that I'm too subjective to be objective about it.
In general, a lack of assimilation brings problems. Other than that, I don't try to judge things that I can't possibly understand completely. I just watch.

GO FUCK YOURSELF, NIGGA!

graidawg · Post by **graidawg** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:41 am

jkisha wrote:
can't sit still wrote:JK, I studied 5 languages. I lived out of the country for about 7 years. I only judge me by,,, me. I observe other cultures. I don't compare myself to others. I compare cultures. I don't evaluate them. I study anthropology. I look at assimilation and prosperity. I try not to judge other cultures. I'm sure that I'm too subjective to be objective about it.
In general, a lack of assimilation brings problems. Other than that, I don't try to judge things that I can't possibly understand completely. I just watch.
Your posts belie your words.

i'm with jk on this one!
you try to portray yourself as a reasonable person while posting continual hate mongering filth

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:19 pm

Well, now France is joining England and Germany and Italy in realizing the problems of too much immigration;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... rants.html
http://wsws.org/articles/2011/apr2011/came-a19.shtml
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oc ... ism-failed
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1461/italy- ... -sentiment

BBadger · Post by **BBadger** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:18 am

No problem with legal immigration, and I think the US should have an active immigration policy seeking to "brain drain" other nations of their skilled immigrants. Current immigration quotas seem fine too.

I don't like illegal immigration. Immigration policies are designed to reduce the flow of nominally poor immigrants into countries, which ends up depressing labor markets and costing the country in the form of social services. Though labor may seem cheap, it ends up costing more in the long run because of weak taxation (as a function of their financial situation, even if they were legal), and costs in social services to the illegal immigrant families, namely the legal children, medical provisions, WIC/Welfare, etc. It's for this reason that amnesty is also to be avoided: it makes even more people eligible for social services.

If we want "cheap labor" guest worker programs facilitate that, as they permit foreign labor, but without social service costs. Even then, it depresses wages for locals.

Speaking from a heartless pragmatic point of view:

- I don't think children of illegal immigrants should be given citizenship simply because they happened to be residing on US soil. One or more parent must be a legal citizen, or in a legal process to become a citizen (green card, etc.). This would greatly reduce the social program costs of legal-but-born-to-illegal-parent children, and discourage the anchor baby practice. The problem of course is that it leaves the kids in limbo with respect to citizenship.

- Rather than waste money with high tech surveillance, walls, and other ineffective methods of border control, use the gift that keeps on giving: land mines. Possibly overkill and I'm sure that would not go over well for public relations.

- An expanded guest worker program for this "cheaper foreign labor" people seem to want. Extensive prosecution for those who hire or assist in illegal labor.

- No amnesty. Amnesty is for cases where it costs more to pursue the crime rather than let it go. This is not one of those cases. Why permit an even heavier burden on society that immigration policy seeks to avoid?

- English as the only official language. Doesn't meant you can't speak/write whatever you want in your homes, business, etc., but it means not spending public resources accommodating every last language in schools, signs, etc. It'd also affect legal suits, for example lawsuits blaming lack of signage in non-English for dangerous conditions.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:39 am

We confuse things... it's always been the law of the jungle. The fit survive. If "we" can't keep "them" out then "they" have the right, just by their existence to be where "they" are.

This is all about power. Anybody can do anything they want. And they just might get away with it unless someone stops them. That's the rule. Live by it or die.

Post by **Elderberry** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:45 am

Donna Matrix wrote:We confuse things... it's always been the law of the jungle. The fit survive. If "we" can't keep "them" out then "they" have the right, just by their existence to be where "they" are.

This is all about power. Anybody can do anything they want. And they just might get away with it unless someone stops them. That's the rule. Live by it or die.

Or go to jail.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:20 pm

jkisha wrote:
Donna Matrix wrote:We confuse things... it's always been the law of the jungle. The fit survive. If "we" can't keep "them" out then "they" have the right, just by their existence to be where "they" are.

This is all about power. Anybody can do anything they want. And they just might get away with it unless someone stops them. That's the rule. Live by it or die.
Or go to jail.

Isn't sending "them" to jail away of stopping them?

Post by **Elderberry** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:57 pm

Donna Matrix wrote:
jkisha wrote:
Donna Matrix wrote:We confuse things... it's always been the law of the jungle. The fit survive. If "we" can't keep "them" out then "they" have the right, just by their existence to be where "they" are.

This is all about power. Anybody can do anything they want. And they just might get away with it unless someone stops them. That's the rule. Live by it or die.
Or go to jail.
Isn't sending "them" to jail away of stopping them?

Me thinks you've been watching a little too much reality TV.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 5:11 pm

Man has always migrated for survival. The general idea is that; if you have a prior claim, you can morally keep out intruders. Nature doesn't respect morality,, only strength. Lots of populations get displaced by new-comers. Immigrants don't have any particular claim to land or resources in new territory.
If immigrants bring assets and skills, they are an addition to their new home. Many of the immigrants to Europe bring neither. In the final analysis, a country is a business operation. Right now, we see countries slipping from insolvency to bankruptcy. The productivity [or lack of] in both nationals and immigrants determines the solvency of a country.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 5:22 pm

Now a proper conservative would say, let the free market decide.

Immigration, good or bad

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