Japan 8.9 earthquake and Tsunami

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:04 pm

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Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:52 am

Apologizing in advance for the Faux News:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/31 ... die-weeks/

[quote]Workers at the disaster-stricken Fukushima nuclear plant in Japan say they expect to die from radiation sickness as a result of their efforts to bring the reactors under control, the mother of one of the men tells Fox News.

The so-called Fukushima 50, the team of brave plant workers struggling to prevent a meltdown to four reactors critically damaged by the March 11 earthquake and tsunami, are being repeatedly exposed to dangerously high radioactive levels as they attempt to bring vital cooling systems back online.

Speaking tearfully through an interpreter by phone, the mother of a 32-year-old worker said: â€œMy son and his colleagues have discussed it at length and they have committed themselves to die if necessary to save the nation.

â€œHe told me they have accepted they will all probably die from radiation sickness in the short term or cancer in the long-term.â€

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:09 am

So....more nuke plants here Mr. Uncle Tom President?

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:49 pm

Here's a really cool pic slightly related to this thread;
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/31/goce_geoid/

wedeliver · Post by **wedeliver** » Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:09 am

These pumps are so cool.. Last year I poured abut 30 yards of concrete and selfmixed all but 6 yards here at my place. In my past I worked "high and heavy" bridges and power plants. Using equipment like below can make some projects very easy. I guess when they "pour mud" they will first fly in some kind of panels to be the retaining forms, I mean you don't just wanna dump concrete on the ground.

Another four Putzmeister truck-mounted concrete pumps for Fukushima

Picture 1628-1: Thanks to its large reach and flexible boom, the M 62-6 is ideally suited to use on high buildings, for example the damaged reactor buildings in Fukushima
Since Tuesday, 22.3.2011, a 58-metre Putzmeister large-boom pump has been pumping water for cooling at the atomic power plant in Fukushima.

A few days ago, the Japanese operator decided to use another four Putzmeister machines at the damaged reactor blocks in Fukushima: Two 62-metre-high machines with 6 arms (M 62-6) and two 70-metre-high machines (M 70-5). All the machines are from Germany. The two 70-metre pumps are to be taken from construction sites in the USA. The first machine will probably be flown from Stuttgart to Japan on 31.03 in an Antonov wide-bodied aircraft, and the other machines will be flown in during the following days. Initially, they will probably pump water; later they will be used for any necessary concreting work.

Image 1628-2: The M 70-5 is the worldâ€™s largest series-produced truck-mounted concrete pump that has been successfully tried and tested in practical use
The two large-boom pumps are characterised by their enormous vertical reach of almost 62 or 70 metres, as well as their particularly flexible boom kinematics. This means the uppermost arm of the booms can reach over the edge of the reactor buildings and into the buildings from above, and thus discharge the water where it is needed.

Thanks to its 6 arms, the M 62-6, for example, is considerably more flexible than a comparable 5-arm boom with a similar range. The M 70-5 truck-mounted concrete pump is the largest series-produced truck-mounted concrete pump in the world. It is mounted on a semitrailer pulled by a 500 HP tractor unit. In order to ensure even distribution of the weight of 80 tonnes, the vehicle has 10 axles over a total length of 21.4 metres

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:42 am

Impressive machinery.
If I remember correctly, they were dumping willynilly at chernobyl at first to try to get the radiation down enough to work more thoroughly.

I haven't seen these elsewhere.

There are many more I could post, if these are of interest.

Saw the story of the organic farmer whose land was washed away, then irradiated.
He hung himself.

None of it seems real.

Post by **mdmf007** » Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:23 pm

Antonov AN225 hauling cargo of one rig at a time plus spares. One way trips my friends. Concrete plants enroute along with supplies as well.

Gotta think outside the box.

wedeliver · Post by **wedeliver** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 1:16 am

I picture the pilot saying to himself "I sure hope this doesn't take long"

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 5:36 pm

Wedeliver, were you planning to operate one of those humongous pumps?
"Numerous firemen at the Fukushima disaster are already dying of leukemia, a type of blood cancer."

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 5:37 pm

wedeliver wrote:

I picture the pilot saying to himself "I sure hope this doesn't take long"

seems there oughta be a huge bottle of KY in that pic........

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 6:00 pm

There seems to be a claim of substantial radioactivity in california;
http://www.infowars.com/ny-times-contri ... odine-131/

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 9:45 pm

This is an alarmist article. The situation is deteriorating so, it may come to pass. Earlier, I posited plutonium. Well, plutonium has made it's appearance. We all know that there is a lot of background radiation on our ball of rock. But, there is a limit to everything. I have good research showing just under a million deaths attributable Chernobyl. The article calls this an attack from the nuclear industry. You'll just have to filter out the ranting and look for solid info.
http://eventhorizonchronicle.blogspot.c ... -than.html

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 10:20 pm

I watched the Nova special on Japan.
Really excellent.

The coast apparently dropped substantially and permanently.
The real reminder is that this is a precursor of the Big One still coming for Japan.
You can't miss this docko.

In one location, the surge reached into the mountains and caused flooding.
A huge variation in tsunami heights.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:13 pm

The EU has just made food a whole lot safer;
http://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/2011/0 ... d-20-fold/

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:39 am

can't sit still wrote:This is an alarmist article. The situation is deteriorating so, it may come to pass. Earlier, I posited plutonium. Well, plutonium has made it's appearance. We all know that there is a lot of background radiation on our ball of rock. But, there is a limit to everything. I have good research showing just under a million deaths attributable Chernobyl. The article calls this an attack from the nuclear industry. You'll just have to filter out the ranting and look for solid info.
http://eventhorizonchronicle.blogspot.c ... -than.html

No shit. Why not post from a website with another agenda then?

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 5:38 pm

Would you prefer the Japanese GOV info that lies about EVERY facet of the disaster? Read em both and pick a middle ground. They go on and on about Iodine. No shit. Iodine has a half life of 8 days. Plutonium,,, 20,000 years or so. If you want to read only sites that have huge sins of omission, go right ahead.

"Thus if you add to a box one gram of Iodine 131 and a gram of Plutonium
every 8 days - and if you only measured radioactive Iodine the readings for

Iodine would be on successive days sum of

1.0 total grams of radioactive Iodine found in the box (with half life of 8 days)
1.5 total grams on 8th day
1.75 total grams on 16th day
1.875 total grams on 24th day
1.9375 total grams on 32nd day
1.96875 total grams grams on 40th day
1.984375 total on 48th day
1.9921875 total grams on 56th day
1.99609375 total grams on 64th day
1.998046875 total grams on 72nd day
1.9990234375 total grams on 80th day -- less than 2 grams!

On the eightieth day of adding one gram of radioactive Iodine to the box there is still less than 2 grams in the box to be measured.

Now look at how Plutonium accumulates in the box if one gram is added every eight days

1.0 total grams of Plutonium in the box
2.0 total grams on the 8th day
3.0 total grams on the 16th day
4.0 total grams on the 24th day
5.0 total grams on the 32nd day
6.0 total grams on the 40th day
7.0 total grams on the 48th day
8.0 total grams on the 56th day
9.0 total grams on the 64th day
10.0 total grams on the 72nd day
11.0 total grams on the 80th day"

I can hope to separate the truth from the lies but, only if I hear the complete story.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:45 pm

Maybe I'm wrong.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:44 pm

Yep, lots of elements and lots of half-lifes. Cesium has caused a few problems too;
http://www.aintnowaytogo.com/glitter.htm
No limits on stupidity;
"For Example, an Estonian man died after
stealing a bar of Cesium 137 and carrying it around in his coat
pocket for a few days."
http://www1.american.edu/TED/estonia.htm

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:08 pm

can't sit still wrote:Would you prefer the Japanese GOV info that lies about EVERY facet of the disaster?

Are you implying that I only read NHK?

Thanks for the little math lesson. Do we have any plutonium detected in the US? Which isotope? Fukushima may vent some isotope of caesium, but it's important to know which isotope before breaking out the calculator. The complete story, as you say.

Sic Pup · Post by **Sic Pup** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:32 pm

Not to change the direction of the discusison but I read this today and got to thinking how fortunate we are to live in the age we do (despite all it's faults and problems). First the impact of social networks and the mid-east and now this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/07/world ... 7plea.html

Executive summary:
Mayor of city close to the power plants makes a desperate plea on youtube indicating the dire situation the residents face and the world responds.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:42 pm

Dougly, I make no assumptions about what you read. It doesn't have to be plutonium to be a problem. There is a lot of cesium showing up in fish.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/04/05/1 ... ts-75.html
The evidence points to the problems only getting worse;
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/world ... clear.html
I don't plan to panic and I don't plan to ignore the situation.

But, just because we already have loads of radioactive junk tossed in our oceans, that doesn't mean that it is harmless.
"Likewise, reactors from at least 18 nuclear submarines and icebreakers were dumped in the Barents sea"
http://www.spiderbomb.com/blog/?p=328
Add to that all the vaporized DU and we're talking about a LOT of background radiation. The Russian dumping was far worse that the Japanese problem. One of their bays glows blue. The Fukushima is just more publicized.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:55 pm

TEPCO has admitted that it doesn't know what to do next and that their efforts are in danger of failing;
http://enenews.com/tepco-officials-unsu ... ncompetent
The side-bar has posts about high iodine contamination.

TomServo · Post by **TomServo** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:39 pm

Fuck Nuclear power! we were asking for it. Thank the Republicans for this shit! They've opposed clean energy every step of the way.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:05 am

wedeliver wrote:blah blah blah Putzmeister blah blah blah

Can't believe I missed that.

Who's your Putzmeister baby?

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:52 pm

It looks like Fukishima has been upgraded to the equivalent of Chernobyl;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ap ... evel-seven
I would suspect that the latent heat has destroyed the casings of the fuel rods

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:41 pm

Japanese cooties have shown up in milk in arkansas, and to a lesser degree in tennessee.
Iodine 131
Triple the limit in arkansas.
They say don't worry.

Another 7 in japan.

wedeliver · Post by **wedeliver** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:59 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:
wedeliver wrote:blah blah blah Putzmeister blah blah blah
Can't believe I missed that.

Who's your Putzmeister baby?

I think the reference is entirely intentional. Think Bigger is Better and remember this is almost Schwing, same as from Wayne's World!

Isotopia · Post by **Isotopia** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:02 pm

Fuck Nuclear power! we were asking for it. Thank the Republicans for this shit! They've opposed clean energy every step of the way.

Your anger is misplaced. Historically speaking Republicans have no more to do with nuclear power as a party than have Democrats. Every step of the (unpopular) way it has been a collaborative process between the two.

Kinetik V · Post by **Kinetik V** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:21 pm

So...did anyone see the report that Strontium is now showing up? And that the evacuation zone is being expanded and will now displace about 115,000 people? Yeah, this is starting to quickly exceed the evacuation of Pripyat as far as sheer numbers go.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:21 pm

Yup, we get a big "plume" for a couple of days. There are reams of advice circulating on how and what to avoid. If you think back to the days of above-ground nuclear testing, you have to wonder how it all compares.

Japan 8.9 earthquake and Tsunami

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