ATTN: Medical Marijuana Patients

hookahdude · Post by **hookahdude** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:54 pm

Sticky - you need to make that your user image.. :p

StickyChron · Post by **StickyChron** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:58 pm

Now that the thread has been de and rerailed, can we continue on? Hookahdude has kindly taken the time out of his day to fully explain what he believed to be valid fears from some of you. I understand the concern, but to be completely honest I didn't anticipate a response like that. I'm from California mind you, its a very different game out here as far as medical marijuana goes. Here, its commonplace to get your script in 5 minutes for 40 bucks and be on your way. On a federal level, I feel like small time MM users in California are almost completely overlooked.

Sorry for the scare everyone!

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:01 pm

hookahdude wrote:Sticky - you need to make that your user image.. :p

I agree. that would make a great Avatar.

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:03 pm

consider yourself lucky....some of us still have to live occasionally in Whatthefuckistan...

you would think with a Federal Budget Catastrophe staring them in the face they would consider making a buck off the almighty Bud and solve this problem without having to cut any social programs...

Just Sayin'...

StickyChron · Post by **StickyChron** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:07 pm

hookahdude wrote:Sticky - you need to make that your user image.. :p

Done.

Parasitoid · Post by **Parasitoid** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:10 pm

What ailments are you treating? pain from kidney stones

What is your favorite strain and why? Do you grow it yourself? I like Maple Leaf Indica right now

How often and in what quantities do you smoke/ingest? I probably smoke 3 -4 bong bowls a day right now

What is your favorite method of medication? Papers, water, vapor, straight glass, edibles? water pieces

What state/country are you located in. If you purchase from dispensaries, what is your regular order, and do you like it there? Montana, 1Oz, Love those guys!

Am I under arrest yet?

StickyChron · Post by **StickyChron** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:16 pm

Parasitoid wrote:What ailments are you treating? pain from kidney stones

What is your favorite strain and why? Do you grow it yourself? I like Maple Leaf Indica right now

How often and in what quantities do you smoke/ingest? I probably smoke 3 -4 bong bowls a day right now

What is your favorite method of medication? Papers, water, vapor, straight glass, edibles? water pieces

What state/country are you located in. If you purchase from dispensaries, what is your regular order, and do you like it there? Montana, 1Oz, Love those guys!

Am I under arrest yet?

Sir, I'm gonna need you to step this way. *Ushers you into a sketchy tent with loud rap music playing*

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:22 pm

Hysterical that california essentially bans personal defense, but chooses to take a stand against the feds on this issue.

I wouldn't assume anything about the feds, considering the independence and corruption exhibited by some departments.
They specialize in violating double jeopardy protection around here, and then bragging about it.

Pretty laughable that anyone can even mention the TOS without giggling considering the behavior of one mod on here.
Try not to laugh when you say it.

But stupid is stupid.
I read the law enforcement forums.
Have to assume they read these.

Post by **Sham** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:28 pm

In this great country of ours, I find it fascinating how much money is spent by our government sticking their bureaucratic noses in everyone's proverbial urinals. The amount of money is outrageous, and then once someone is snagged, the cost to keep them incarcerated for the "crime" is insane. (maybe a government shutdown wouldn't be so bad)
I am considering the use of medical marijuana to ease that extreme burning sensation when I pee. Sure, I could try penicillin, but it's not as much fun!

StickyChron · Post by **StickyChron** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:34 pm

Simon of the Playa wrote:consider yourself lucky....some of us still have to live occasionally in Whatthefuckistan...

you would think with a Federal Budget Catastrophe staring them in the face they would consider making a buck off the almighty Bud and solve this problem without having to cut any social programs...

Just Sayin'...

It all sounds good in theory, but it would ultimately hurt the people whose lives revolve around providing the sick with safe medicine and the patients who have come to know what they're buying, where its from, how it was grown, ect.

Subsequently, the product wouldn't be able to grow with the demands of the market. Quality and safety would diminish and adverse health effects become more prevalent as more and more chemicals are used in the growing process I'm afraid. Plus the thought of a Phillip Morris "Green Cig" or Monsanto GM weed horrifies me.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:38 pm

Shambala wrote:In this great country of ours, I find it fascinating how much money is spent by our government sticking their bureaucratic noses in everyone's proverbial urinals. The amount of money is outrageous, and then once someone is snagged, the cost to keep them incarcerated for the "crime" is insane.

The real cost is in the violent crimes that aren't pursued or prevented.

And the massive amounts of power handed over to gangs starting with the first prohibition.

There have been massive protests in mexico lately over the issue, after another 69 bodies were discovered recently of kidnap victims.
For a glimpse of our future, there are endless photos of shootings and piles of body parts that the gangs are fond of leaving on display, many on the net.
We're on the same path so far.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:41 pm

StickyChron wrote: It all sounds good in theory, but it would ultimately hurt the people whose lives revolve around providing the sick with safe medicine and the patients who have come to know what they're buying, where its from, how it was grown, ect.

Subsequently, the product wouldn't be able to grow with the demands of the market. Quality and safety would diminish and adverse health effects become more prevalent as more and more chemicals are used in the growing process I'm afraid. Plus the thought of a Phillip Morris "Green Cig" or Monsanto GM weed horrifies me.

It is reported that the tobacco companies have copyrighted anything they could use for legal marijuana sales.

StickyChron · Post by **StickyChron** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:44 pm

gyre wrote:
StickyChron wrote: It all sounds good in theory, but it would ultimately hurt the people whose lives revolve around providing the sick with safe medicine and the patients who have come to know what they're buying, where its from, how it was grown, ect.

Subsequently, the product wouldn't be able to grow with the demands of the market. Quality and safety would diminish and adverse health effects become more prevalent as more and more chemicals are used in the growing process I'm afraid. Plus the thought of a Phillip Morris "Green Cig" or Monsanto GM weed horrifies me.
It is reported that the tobacco companies have copyrighted anything they could use for legal marijuana sales.

I am painfully aware of this, and the mere thought of something called "Round-Up Ready Purple Kush" is enough to give me nightmares of nuclear weed and hoarding marijuana seeds.

Post by **Sham** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:45 pm

Our government has so many things backwards. I feel like such an outlaw when I drive to the store and forget to buckle my seat belt. It's an offense that requires a fine. They need to pay attention to real things.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:48 pm

Shambala wrote:Our government has so many things backwards. I feel like such an outlaw when I drive to the store and forget to buckle my seat belt. It's an offense that requires a fine. They need to pay attention to real things.

I volunteer with a tbi survivors group.
When they were talking about lobbying to strengthen our state belt laws, I suggested it was unnecessary.
It already carries the death penalty.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:52 pm

StickyChron wrote:

Subsequently, the product wouldn't be able to grow with the demands of the market. Quality and safety would diminish and adverse health effects become more prevalent as more and more chemicals are used in the growing process I'm afraid. Plus the thought of a Phillip Morris "Green Cig" or Monsanto GM weed horrifies me.

My X soninlaw.. Watched him grow MM in inert dirt and chemicals " all oil products ".. I may of had to smoke bunch to get hi in my day.. At least I was'nt smoking Libya Sweet Crude..

Post by **AntiM** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:02 pm

This is walking the edge of the TOS. We have deleted threads about drugs before. Medical MJ, I think is ok (I could be wrong and must check), but the moment the thread strays from that specific and narrow topic, it could easily be shut down.

Please use caution and discretion.

hookahdude · Post by **hookahdude** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:22 pm

Shambala wrote:Our government has so many things backwards. I feel like such an outlaw when I drive to the store and forget to buckle my seat belt. It's an offense that requires a fine. They need to pay attention to real things.

I just got a ticket for not having a seat belt on...
I swear to fucking god - I am not allowed to break the law. I know technically none of are, but there is some fucking power in the universe that fucks me almost instantaneously when I do- I have only one logical explanation:

You see - I think I may be the Messiah...

Here are my arguments:
1. Left my driveway and drove 4 blocks - pulled over - ticket for no seatbelt
2. One time in my life in desperation - 3 days after the seatbelt incident mind you - my truck died and I had to get to work. Soooo, in a fit, I pulled the plate and tossed it on the car I have that I am waiting on the Title for so I can register it and, yup - pulled over that night and nailed to the wall for mis-use of a plate. Here is the rub - told cop situation - he gave me the ticket and then told me -
"I know you have to get home - here is what is going to happen. When I leave - I am driving North... you drive south."
I could have tossed in a cell and the vehicle impounded..

Ok.. maybe a little thin, but fuck me running...

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:48 pm

Shambala wrote:In this great country of ours, I find it fascinating how much money is spent by our government sticking their bureaucratic noses in everyone's proverbial urinals. The amount of money is outrageous, and then once someone is snagged, the cost to keep them incarcerated for the "crime" is insane. (maybe a government shutdown wouldn't be so bad)
I am considering the use of medical marijuana to ease that extreme burning sensation when I pee. Sure, I could try penicillin, but it's not as much fun!

Not to turn this into a polictical thread, but it's the Rupublicans that are the biggest offenders. They preach smaller government, then try to regulate everything we do that they don't agree with including the womb.

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:52 pm

Shambala wrote:Our government has so many things backwards. I feel like such an outlaw when I drive to the store and forget to buckle my seat belt. It's an offense that requires a fine. They need to pay attention to real things.

I would have no objection to the seat belt law as along as it was attached to medical care. i.e. if you aren't wearing a seat belt and you get into an accident, you either paid for your own medical care or you died. I'd have no problem with that.

lonestoner916 · Post by **lonestoner916** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:59 pm

Roberto Dobbisano wrote:you would think they'd get more creative...

this is why the best and the brightest go into foreign service...

Oh for FUCK'S sake! Yeah, it's not too bright to discuss this sort of thing in on online public forum, BUT at the same time no one is going to jail or getting hurt, and if you honestly think you're going to end up on some sort of list because you wrote about marijuana online then you are WAAAAY too paranoid. As a "state legal" medical patient, I prefer the really good old Sativa strains, indoor/outdoor either Skunk #1 or original Trainwreck... most "medicinal" strains are pretty potent these day however and really as long as it's not Mexican commercial it'll do the job right??? I happen to believe that ALL use is medicinal, but like all medications it is possible to overmedicate, and Cannabis should be used in moderation and with the utmost discretion.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:01 pm

jkisha wrote:
Shambala wrote:Our government has so many things backwards. I feel like such an outlaw when I drive to the store and forget to buckle my seat belt. It's an offense that requires a fine. They need to pay attention to real things.
I would have no objection to the seat belt law as along as it was attached to medical care. i.e. if you aren't wearing a seat belt and you get into an accident, you either paid for your own medical care or you died. I'd have no problem with that.

There is the secondary crash issue also, which is more important.
That is, the belt allowing you to maintain control allows you to prevent the secondary collision(s), or minimize them.
It is often the secondary collisons that are fatal, rather than the primary incident.

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:12 pm

Plausible deniability. I never made a statement by placing colored words in a text box. There are no complete sentences or statements of culpability.

MyDearFriend · Post by **MyDearFriend** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:29 pm

jkisha wrote:
Shambala wrote:Our government has so many things backwards. I feel like such an outlaw when I drive to the store and forget to buckle my seat belt. It's an offense that requires a fine. They need to pay attention to real things.
I would have no objection to the seat belt law as along as it was attached to medical care. i.e. if you aren't wearing a seat belt and you get into an accident, you either paid for your own medical care or you died. I'd have no problem with that.

Yeah, but, we have to save every John Doe regardless before we get the financial side sorted. Seriously nobody is going to stand on the side of the road talking about payment while the patient is bleeding out. EMS is hard enough as it is, dude, don't ask them to get into all that bullshit.

Might as well ask firefighters to stand and watch while a house burns down, if the landlord hasn't paid the fee. Oh, wait...

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:35 pm

gyre wrote:
jkisha wrote:
Shambala wrote:Our government has so many things backwards. I feel like such an outlaw when I drive to the store and forget to buckle my seat belt. It's an offense that requires a fine. They need to pay attention to real things.
I would have no objection to the seat belt law as along as it was attached to medical care. i.e. if you aren't wearing a seat belt and you get into an accident, you either paid for your own medical care or you died. I'd have no problem with that.
There is the secondary crash issue also, which is more important.
That is, the belt allowing you to maintain control allows you to prevent the secondary collision(s), or minimize them.
It is often the secondary collisons that are fatal, rather than the primary incident.

I haven't heard much about seat belts preventing secondary collisions. At first blush it doesn't make much sense to me.

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:39 pm

MyDearFriend wrote:
jkisha wrote:
Shambala wrote:Our government has so many things backwards. I feel like such an outlaw when I drive to the store and forget to buckle my seat belt. It's an offense that requires a fine. They need to pay attention to real things.
I would have no objection to the seat belt law as along as it was attached to medical care. i.e. if you aren't wearing a seat belt and you get into an accident, you either paid for your own medical care or you died. I'd have no problem with that.
Yeah, but, we have to save every John Doe regardless before we get the financial side sorted. Seriously nobody is going to stand on the side of the road talking about payment while the patient is bleeding out. EMS is hard enough as it is, dude, don't ask them to get into all that bullshit.

Might as well ask firefighters to stand and watch while a house burns down, if the landlord hasn't paid the fee. Oh, wait...

Yes, the firefighter thing has happened, as hard as that is to believe. Seat belts wouldn't be that hard. Give emergency care, they get to the hospital and no means of payment? Sorry.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:43 pm

jkisha wrote:
MyDearFriend wrote:
jkisha wrote:I would have no objection to the seat belt law as along as it was attached to medical care. i.e. if you aren't wearing a seat belt and you get into an accident, you either paid for your own medical care or you died. I'd have no problem with that.
Yeah, but, we have to save every John Doe regardless before we get the financial side sorted. Seriously nobody is going to stand on the side of the road talking about payment while the patient is bleeding out. EMS is hard enough as it is, dude, don't ask them to get into all that bullshit.

Might as well ask firefighters to stand and watch while a house burns down, if the landlord hasn't paid the fee. Oh, wait...
Yes, the firefighter thing has happened, as hard as that is to believe. Seat belts wouldn't be that hard. Give emergency care, they get to the hospital and no means of payment? Sorry.

I'm goin' with JK here (High 4). and same with helmet laws..sure, don't wear it, and, yeah, I suppose you gotta take someone bleeding to ER. But, once patched, no public monies.
find your own rehab, live with the big scars, no disability, either.

"help those, that help (at least try to) themselves)

maryanimal · Post by **maryanimal** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:01 pm

IMHO, I think marijuana should be legalized. That would stop some of the overseas bud from being purchased, plus if the government wanted, they can get their hairy paws on their cut of the action.

Now people have told me, "Kids could get it more easily". Wake up! Kids get it anyway, along with other illicit drugs and alcohol, which in my opinion is worse that pot. Whe was the last time you saw on the news, "pot smoking driver on wrong side of the freeway kills a family of four"? I had a friend of mine killed by a drunk driver going the wrong way on the freeway at 90 mph. The man had mulitiple DUI's, a revoked drivers license, and had sideswiped multiple cars before getting on the freeway. May my friend rest in peace. At the time of his death, he was 26.

As far as medical marijuana, as of today, here in Washington state, medical marijuana dispensaries have to shut down, or face charges. Medical marijuana works for the people sick from chemo treatment, and people with AIDS deal with their pain and gives them an appetite to keep them from losing wieght and wasting away. It helps people with glaucoma. These folks aren't smoking to get high, although that is one of the side affects, it's to help ease their pain.

My friend Sherry, had an accident that left her back twisted like a pretzel. She makes candy out of the medical marijuana. She can't smoke it. I would rather use medical marijuana if/when I have pain that nothing can be done about. I have asthma, so I can't smoke it.

So, I've put in my 2 cents..

...just saying...

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:05 pm

I not only agree with MaryAnimal, but go a step farther In that I think all drugs should be legal. (all recreational drugs), but I also believe that the penalties for sale to minors should be severe.

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:07 pm

Trishntek wrote:Plausible deniability. I never made a statement by placing colored words in a text box. There are no complete sentences or statements of culpability.

You're guilty, you know you are!