ATTN: Medical Marijuana Patients

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:10 pm

jkisha wrote:I not only agree with MaryAnimal, but go a step farther In that I think all drugs should be legal. (all recreational drugs), but I also believe that the penalties for sale to minors should be severe.

and zero tolerance, if you crash a car and/or hurt someone while UTI.

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:12 pm

ygmir wrote:
jkisha wrote:I not only agree with MaryAnimal, but go a step farther In that I think all drugs should be legal. (all recreational drugs), but I also believe that the penalties for sale to minors should be severe.
and zero tolerance, if you crash a car and/or hurt someone while UTI.

Definitely... Alcohol too.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:14 pm

jkisha wrote:I haven't heard much about seat belts preventing secondary collisions. At first blush it doesn't make much sense to me.

It really doesn't take that much force to remove you from behind the wheel.
It can be far, far less than lethal force.
Studies show limited car control from the back seat, or squashed against the passenger door.

Even a midrange race car can generate enough g force driving that remaining behind the wheel is difficult or impossible without four or six point belts.
They are considered an essential part of car control in any race car, or even high performance car.

I was behind a car that slipped into a guard rail, then rolled after that.
I can't say if the initial collision removed car control, but the second crash into the armco certainly did.
I watched as it rolled several times with all occupants tumbling like a washing machine.
When the car was on wheels again, there was no one near the controls to do anything.
They were lucky and had minor injuries considering, mostly from colliding with each other, which can be enough for fatal injuries.
But this accident was more than enough to remove the driver from any involvement because he lacked belts.

Most statistics about secondary collisions merely examine the events and deaths.
In mountainous areas, such as east tennessee, it is usually secondary events which are fatal.
Example - Crash, lose control, go off the road and hit something unpleasant.

maryanimal · Post by **maryanimal** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:14 pm

jkisha wrote:
ygmir wrote:
jkisha wrote:I not only agree with MaryAnimal, but go a step farther In that I think all drugs should be legal. (all recreational drugs), but I also believe that the penalties for sale to minors should be severe.
and zero tolerance, if you crash a car and/or hurt someone while UTI.
Definitely... Alcohol too.

I so agree with you gentleman.

Kinetik V · Post by **Kinetik V** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:26 pm

I find myself supporting the full legalization of all recreational drugs. And MMJ patients should not have to jump through hoops to get what they need, or pay out the nose for it either. In short...I want Colorado's constitutional law on MMJ to become the law of the land.

I easily qualify for a MMJ card under Nevada and Colorado law...had it offered to me but I passed on it even though my qualifying conditions get worse by the week. My last X-rays of my neck in particular 5 weeks ago had them saying my neck is deteriorating pretty fast...so much so that they want to do surgery now. I told them to take a flying fuck. Modern medicine has took me to death's door 3x, over Christmas they overdid my mother's chemo and she flatlined twice...my faith in modern medicine redefines the word sketchy at the moment. Still...the anti-inflammatories keep me functional on a day to day basis...but when they can't hold back the inevitable MMJ will likely be the way I go. I just hope all the hard fought battles to get the limited state rights we have won't be gone by the time I need it the most.

And since I took so long to read / write this that the awesome Maryanimal has posted again....when it comes to alcohol I'm all for throwing the book at DUI's. Life is too short to drink shitty liquor or cheap rotgut beer. Drink the good stuff, appreciate the artistry that went into making it, and enjoy it, not just slam it. That's how I look at it anyway.

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:33 pm

just to remind y'all, that while MM is permitted by various states for holders of genuine medical credentials, while at BRC you are on FEDERAL land and under their jurisdiction, and your MM card from Nv or Ca or whereever is worthless on playa. EVEN if you have a VALID card from wherever...

While I personally don't have an issue with MM and live in a state where medical marijuana is allowed by state law just remember that it is knowny that LE from all over DOES read this board, so keep in mind that what you say (or type) can be used against you...

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:36 pm

I've seen the building where most, or maybe still all, of the legal marijuana in this country is grown.
It isn't far from here.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:39 pm

maryanimal wrote:
jkisha wrote:
ygmir wrote: and zero tolerance, if you crash a car and/or hurt someone while UTI.
Definitely... Alcohol too.
I so agree with you gentleman.

*looks over at JK*

she must mean you?

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:43 pm

ygmir wrote:
maryanimal wrote:
jkisha wrote: Definitely... Alcohol too.
I so agree with you gentleman.
*looks over at JK*

she must mean you?

LMFAO

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:43 pm

Bay Bridge Sue wrote:just to remind y'all, that while MM is permitted by various states for holders of genuine medical credentials, while at BRC you are on FEDERAL land and under their jurisdiction, and your MM card from Nv or Ca or whereever is worthless on playa. EVEN if you have a VALID card from wherever...

While I personally don't have an issue with MM and live in a state where medical marijuana is allowed by state law just remember that it is knowny that LE from all over DOES read this board, so keep in mind that what you say (or type) can be used against you...

Fortunately I have never seen any drugs at burning man.

StickyChron · Post by **StickyChron** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:58 pm

Fortunately, there are all sorts of "party supplies" that are legal on both a federal and state level. I don't plan on bringing anything illegal (even my medicine) to BRC

Can anyone tell me about the Vapor camp I've heard about? How does that work?

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:04 pm

gyre wrote:
Bay Bridge Sue wrote:just to remind y'all, that while MM is permitted by various states for holders of genuine medical credentials, while at BRC you are on FEDERAL land and under their jurisdiction, and your MM card from Nv or Ca or whereever is worthless on playa. EVEN if you have a VALID card from wherever...

While I personally don't have an issue with MM and live in a state where medical marijuana is allowed by state law just remember that it is knowny that LE from all over DOES read this board, so keep in mind that what you say (or type) can be used against you...
Fortunately I have never seen any drugs at burning man.

Me too.

StickyChron · Post by **StickyChron** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:14 pm

Lets stay on topic though, I would like to honor the mod and keep it clean. It would be cool if this thread didn't get shut down.

Kinetik V · Post by **Kinetik V** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:18 pm

Speaking of LE reading the board...anything that can be done to end the carnage on the Mexican border would be welcome. Legalization might be the answer to ending the cartels....and saving our Border Patrol officers.

As for drugs at Burning Man...mine always come from Walgreens with valid scrips so I'm not even remotely worried. Except if you consider caffeine a drug...in that case I'm as guilty as it possibly gets.

lonestoner916 · Post by **lonestoner916** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:19 am

Excellent points, all. I also think that what a person puts into their own body is their own business, (ie: all drugs should be legal) but there is NO excuse for operating a moving vehicle while intoxicated. Not that it doesn't happen, and I don't think if you have A beer or smoke some pot that you're going to commit vehicular homicide, common sense comes into play but if there's even a question then the only answer is NO. But I just don't think people need to be protected from themselves, if the stupid ones die off then so be it....

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Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:48 am

jkisha wrote:
Trishntek wrote:Plausible deniability. I never made a statement by placing colored words in a text box. There are no complete sentences or statements of culpability.
You're guilty, you know you are!

*lookin' down,,,, swirling my toe in the dust,,,, swayin' forth 'n back,,,, hands behing me,,, lookin' up I say,"yeah but,,,," and then shrug,,,, poooch out my lower lip,,, and say under my breath,,, "yeah yer right."

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:59 am

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Our country has many laws that arrest us before we commit the crime..

DUI and POT are two of them..

DUI laws are intrapment.. The states say you can drink x but not X.. Humans drink to feel OK.. We are altered with the first drink feeling it's OK to have another..

Post by **Elderberry** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:27 am

Kinetic V wrote:. Except if you consider caffeine a drug...in that case I'm as guilty as it possibly gets.

Only if you're a Mormon.

"M". I just realized it's the only thing standing between "Mormon" and "moron".

Post by **Elderberry** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:31 am

unjonharley wrote:/

Our country has many laws that arrest us before we commit the crime..

DUI and POT are two of them..

DUI laws are intrapment.. The states say you can drink x but not X.. Humans drink to feel OK.. We are altered with the first drink feeling it's OK to have another..

Well you can blame the alcoholic, guilt ridden mother of MADD for that! I say bring back the open container! Fuck MADD.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:12 am

jkisha wrote:
MyDearFriend wrote:
jkisha wrote:I would have no objection to the seat belt law as along as it was attached to medical care. i.e. if you aren't wearing a seat belt and you get into an accident, you either paid for your own medical care or you died. I'd have no problem with that.
Yeah, but, we have to save every John Doe regardless before we get the financial side sorted. Seriously nobody is going to stand on the side of the road talking about payment while the patient is bleeding out. EMS is hard enough as it is, dude, don't ask them to get into all that bullshit.

Might as well ask firefighters to stand and watch while a house burns down, if the landlord hasn't paid the fee. Oh, wait... :cry:
Yes, the firefighter thing has happened, as hard as that is to believe.

Could happen again when we get rid of municipal fire departments.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:20 am

theCryptofishist wrote:
jkisha wrote:
MyDearFriend wrote: Yeah, but, we have to save every John Doe regardless before we get the financial side sorted. Seriously nobody is going to stand on the side of the road talking about payment while the patient is bleeding out. EMS is hard enough as it is, dude, don't ask them to get into all that bullshit.

Might as well ask firefighters to stand and watch while a house burns down, if the landlord hasn't paid the fee. Oh, wait...
Yes, the firefighter thing has happened, as hard as that is to believe.
Could happen again when we get rid of municipal fire departments.

Yes, We must rid ourselfs of those useful departments.. The money has to go to the carpet baggers that cntract services at twice the price..

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:24 am

TTITD has some sort of reputation for being a drug-soaked orgy.

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:26 am

unjonharley wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:
jkisha wrote: Yes, the firefighter thing has happened, as hard as that is to believe.
Could happen again when we get rid of municipal fire departments.
Yes, We must rid ourselfs of those useful departments.. The money has to go to the carpet baggers that cntract services at twice the price..

IIRC the instance you refer to was in a community where people had the CHOICE to pay or not pay for the service. The owner of the home which burned CHOSE not to pay. I think it a beautiful example of enjoying the benefits of one's own decision.

You who think emergency services should be offered to everyone no matter what should be the first to pull a fire truck out of your own ass!

tiredofbeingnice · Post by **tiredofbeingnice** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:29 am

What a bunch of fucking hypocrites.

I smoke the RX.

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:37 am

tiredofbeingnice wrote:What a bunch of fucking hypocrites.

I smoke the RX.

But does it treat your symptom?

tiredofbeingnice · Post by **tiredofbeingnice** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:11 am

you mean sobriety? yes it helps quite nicely with my affliction.

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:37 am

tiredofbeingnice wrote:you mean sobriety? yes it helps quite nicely with my affliction.

Actually I was hoping you might be "nicer" while under the influence,,,,,

tiredofbeingnice · Post by **tiredofbeingnice** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:45 am

OH I see LOl. great comment.

Well... Unfortunatley... the only thing that so far helps me be "nicer" is getting my not so nice feelings out in the open.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:08 am

tiredofbeingnice wrote:What a bunch of fucking hypocrites.

I smoke the RX.

Hypocrites? There are those who support medical marijuana only because they want to use it recreationally. Are those the hypocrites you're talking about? I am confused.

tiredofbeingnice · Post by **tiredofbeingnice** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:19 am

If the shoe doesn't fit.... don't wear it.