Say Something Nice About Donald Trump

Post by **Elderberry** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:32 pm

wedeliver wrote:I have heard that he discovered that Obamas Birth Certicifcate shows "cauc" in the space marked for race.

Post by **Sham** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:44 pm

jkisha wrote:
wedeliver wrote:I have heard that he discovered that Obamas Birth Certicifcate shows "cauc" in the space marked for race.

I guess they don't mark them down for spelling errors!

Fufa · Post by **Fufa** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:45 pm

Shambala wrote:
Fufa wrote:His name rhymes with stump! and lump! and bump! and rump! and....
.....and DUMP!

and slump! and thump! and pump! and jump!

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:40 pm

wedeliver wrote:I have heard that he discovered that Obamas Birth Certicifcate shows "cauc" in the space marked for race.

May be legally accurate for Hawaii.
What is "correct" now for one black and one white parent?

(Bearing in mind that "race" is as currently scientific as angels dancing on a pin.)

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:46 pm

gyre wrote:
wedeliver wrote:I have heard that he discovered that Obamas Birth Certicifcate shows "cauc" in the space marked for race.
May be legally accurate for Hawaii.
What is "correct" now for one black and one white parent?

(Bearing in mind that "race" is as currently scientific as angels dancing on a pin.)

I don't understand what you're saying here in red.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:01 pm

Skin color is a transient trait, easily shifting genetically, in evolutionary terms.
There are markers that can be used for race, but I don't think you can prove there is such a thing as race, by any meaningful standard.
Hitler and others tried.
Now that genetic trails are being traced, it is said that the Bushmen have more common markers with early europeans than they do with the Zulu.
If Israeli research is valid, there may be more genetic markers for jews than for other "races".

The term has hung around, as other "science" from those centuries fades, but science moves on.

Scientists now consider it only a cultural term.

May be new genetic science any day to change things though.

wedeliver · Post by **wedeliver** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:21 pm

My cousin who travels in some weird circles told me that Trunp discovered that the reason Obama has not released his long form Birth Certificate because in the space marked race the form has the abbreviation "cauc" in that space. Further, Trump will not reveal this since he would also have to admit that Obama was born in Hawaii.

Anyone who has ever worked in Law Enforcement will be aware that "Cauc" is used quite often in booking reports.

Post by **Sham** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:25 pm

gyre wrote:Skin color is a transient trait, easily shifting genetically, in evolutionary terms.
There are markers that can be used for race, but I don't think you can prove there is such a thing as race, by any meaningful standard.
Hitler and others tried.
Now that genetic trails are being traced, it is said that the Bushmen have more common markers with early europeans than they do with the Zulu.
If Israeli research is valid, there may be more genetic markers for jews than for other "races".

The term has hung around, as other "science" from those centuries fades, but science moves on.

Scientists now consider it only a cultural term.

May be new genetic science any day to change things though.

Tell me more!

JStep · Post by **JStep** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:38 pm

ygmir wrote:
gyre wrote:
wedeliver wrote:I have heard that he discovered that Obamas Birth Certicifcate shows "cauc" in the space marked for race.
May be legally accurate for Hawaii.
What is "correct" now for one black and one white parent?

(Bearing in mind that "race" is as currently scientific as angels dancing on a pin.)
I don't understand what you're saying here in red.

Are you being sarcastic???

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:09 pm

JStep wrote:
ygmir wrote:
gyre wrote: May be legally accurate for Hawaii.
What is "correct" now for one black and one white parent?

(Bearing in mind that "race" is as currently scientific as angels dancing on a pin.)
I don't understand what you're saying here in red.
Are you being sarcastic???

well, no.
that statement is far reaching, and, I wondered about context.
There are genetic differences, and, some fall along "racial" lines, bone marrow and the like.
so, I wondered what he meant.

wedeliver · Post by **wedeliver** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:38 pm

Talked to my cousin again and his info is that where Obama was born they were unaware that his father was black and they only saw his mother who is white. So that information was placed on his birth certificate.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:41 pm

As an example, prove there is such a thing as a "white" race.
No one can.

If you accept the cultural generalities, at what point is someone white or black, considering everyone has other "races" in the mix?
Those tracing their line back to very early america have almost a certainty of racial intermarriage, due to the lack of women.
The same thing applies to the early west.

Different states and countries have had different legal standards for this.
Georgia used to break it all down, but any "black" blood made you "black".
Journalists used to joke that every politician in Georgia was disqualified by the legal standard.

In some countries, any white blood makes you white.

The final topper is the math.
It is calculated that to a mathematical certainty, everyone on earth is related by blood by the time you go back 18 generations.
Most long term residents of the usa can find a link in six.

An odd story, but true, was a woman I met.
White, but raised by a black family.
It must have been an older woman raising her, for she had the older black dialect from africa, once common, now almost gone.
Very singsong.
I've met people in rhode island that not only had never heard it, but thought it didn't exist, and that books and stories painstakingly written in dialect were mocking people.
When I was younger, it was actually difficult to communicate with people speaking in a strong dialect, so more than any racial divide, communication could be the issue.

This woman wasn't only raised in a black family, but in a poor and isolated section of town.
I doubt she could even manage in white culture at all.

So... is she white or black?

Fufa · Post by **Fufa** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:47 pm

Actually there are genetic marker combinations that are pretty accurate at predicting "race" of an individual, but they call it population markers and population genetics to avoid bringing up the bad memories surrounding eugenics and various genocides. Think of it more as predicting ancestry if you will. Unfortunately many of the studies are limited in terms of the diversity of their test populations, but by using only 5 genetic markers (and about 1000 test subjects), in 2002 they were able to differentiate between individuals from Africa, Europe/Middle East/Central South Asia, East Asia, Oceania, and Central/South America (5 different regions of the world).

The data if you are interested (K = number of markers used):
http://anthrogenetics.files.wordpress.c ... ucture.jpg

Not trying to stir up stuff, I just learned it in my human genetics class last week!

Post by **Eric** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:49 pm

ygmir wrote:well, no.
that statement is far reaching, and, I wondered about context.
There are genetic differences, and, some fall along "racial" lines, bone marrow and the like.
so, I wondered what he meant.

Try this quiz, which I failed miserably. It really lets you know just how arbitrary "race" is as a designation.

From the same site (which I highly recommend people take a spin through- it's really well put together, written in plain English, and has little tests so you can see your own assumptions in play):

Not one characteristic, trait, or gene distinguishes all members of one so-called race from all other members of another so-called race

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:51 pm

wedeliver wrote:Talked to my cousin again and his info is that where Obama was born they were unaware that his father was black and they only saw his mother who is white. So that information was placed on his birth certificate.

If they knew, what would they have put on the blank line?

Some of the black politicians here are much less than 50% black, if you go by marriage only.
It is well known that skin shades can vary dramatically in the same family too.
This was the case with my friend from ecuador.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:11 pm

Eric wrote: Try this quiz, which I failed miserably. It really lets you know just how arbitrary "race" is as a designation.

From the same site (which I highly recommend people take a spin through- it's really well put together, written in plain English, and has little tests so you can see your own assumptions in play):
Not one characteristic, trait, or gene distinguishes all members of one so-called race from all other members of another so-called race

Everyone is certain they know what something means... until there's a problem.
- Lawyer's axiom

Post by **Eric** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:27 pm

gyre wrote:An odd story, but true, was a woman I met.
White, but raised by a black family.

I have a Swedish friend who lives here in the city- tall, good looking, slightly darker than you'd think for a Swede, but still with that sexy Scandinavian accent. Everyone knows he's white, until they find out his dad's Jamaican.

Isotopia · Post by **Isotopia** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:00 pm

Say Something Nice About Donald Trump

He has a nice neck that I could easily clean my boots on.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:48 am

He is apparently staying away from the playa.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:44 am

Truth is stranger than fiction. "Trump, who has said talk show host Oprah Winfrey would be an ideal running mate, said he will make a decision by March after gauging support."
http://articles.cnn.com/1999-10-25/poli ... LLPOLITICS

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 8:56 am

something nice about donald trump.

Post by **Elderberry** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:08 am

^^groan^^

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:10 am

Eric wrote:
ygmir wrote:well, no.
that statement is far reaching, and, I wondered about context.
There are genetic differences, and, some fall along "racial" lines, bone marrow and the like.
so, I wondered what he meant.
Try this quiz, which I failed miserably. It really lets you know just how arbitrary "race" is as a designation.

From the same site (which I highly recommend people take a spin through- it's really well put together, written in plain English, and has little tests so you can see your own assumptions in play):
Not one characteristic, trait, or gene distinguishes all members of one so-called race from all other members of another so-called race

There is drawn an arbitrary line between "Latino" and "American Indian". In reality, at least among Mexicans, the Latinos that Americans know the best, they are primarily "American Indian" in genetics. That was my main problem with this test.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:14 am

Eric wrote:
gyre wrote:An odd story, but true, was a woman I met.
White, but raised by a black family.
I have a Swedish friend who lives here in the city- tall, good looking, slightly darker than you'd think for a Swede, but still with that sexy Scandinavian accent. Everyone knows he's white, until they find out his dad's Jamaican.

I met a trio of attractive gals recently. One was as black as the darkest African, another was sort of mid-east looking and the third was somewhere in between the other two. They were speaking to each other in a language which even I couldn't identify. Portuguese? No way.

Turned out they were speaking Swedish. Thereby hangs a tale.

And Donald Trump has volunteered to be the comic relief in this upcoming US pres. election! What dedication!

Deb Prothero · Post by **Deb Prothero** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:15 am

The Daily Show needs to earn its bread so let's just explore the comedic potential of THE DONALD running against Sarah Palin for the Republican nomination. Then after one is chosen, he/she is disqualified prior to the ballots being printed so neither has to be discussed again.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:33 am

Deb, the two are vying for the Pat Paulsen trophy.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:56 pm

Doonesbury's doin it to it........

FIGJAM · Post by **FIGJAM** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:36 am

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TomServo · Post by **TomServo** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:12 pm

Its getting harder to say something nice. Maybe Gary Busey should run for president.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:22 am

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/T ... dent-Obama

Birth certificate released: Did Donald Trump just school President Obama?

But hereâ€™s the thing â€“ weâ€™re pretty sure Obamaâ€™s political team is not that sorry that Trump is doing well.

Consider if from their point of view. A substantial portion of Republican voters remain suspicious of Obamaâ€™s origins. Itâ€™s an issue that one way or another was going to surface in the 2012 campaign. If Obama releases his birth certificate now, yes, that may help Trump. But Trump is currently the norâ€™easter of GOP politics â€“ a big wind thatâ€™s rattling all the other contenders.

Obama's advisors believe the developer/reality show star is unelectable because his unfavorable rating among independents and the electorate at large is so high. A recent Gallup survey found that 64 percent of registered voters said they would definitely not vote for Trump for president.

Yet he has enough strength among GOP voters to keep more serious candidates (weâ€™re looking at you, Mitt Romney and Tim Pawlenty) from gaining momentum.

So the longer Trump remains a GOP frontrunner, the better for Obama. Thatâ€™s how the Democratic political theory might go, anyway â€“ and if you donâ€™t think political consultants are that Machiavellian, you havenâ€™t watched enough Kennedy School of Government seminars on late-night C-SPAN3.