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Post by goathead » Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:25 pm

if you enjoy firearms jk, how many is too many?
if you enjoy shooting firearms again how much ammo in your home is to much?
if you enjoy reloading for your firearms, one more time, how much powder is too much?

when this happened a couple of years ago it was estimated that he had about 15lbs of smokeless powder and about 5 lbs of black powder.

he had been collecting firearms all of his life and been reloading for years.
BOTH LEGAL ACTIVITIES.

interesting when the gov trumps up charges.
the only thing this guy was guilty of is being unfortunate enough of having a fire burn down his house.

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Post by goathead » Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:53 pm

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Post by Elderberry » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:15 pm

goathead wrote:if you enjoy firearms jk, how many is too many?
if you enjoy shooting firearms again how much ammo in your home is to much?
if you enjoy reloading for your firearms, one more time, how much powder is too much?

when this happened a couple of years ago it was estimated that he had about 15lbs of smokeless powder and about 5 lbs of black powder.

he had been collecting firearms all of his life and been reloading for years.
BOTH LEGAL ACTIVITIES.

interesting when the gov trumps up charges.
the only thing this guy was guilty of is being unfortunate enough of having a fire burn down his house.
OK now your original comments make more sense to me. You have obviously been following the case from the beginning. It's is always disturbing if/when law enforcement betrays the public trust if the charges and evidence were tampered with or lied about.

Though the "how much is too much?" question is a good one. I would guess that the answer would depend a lot on how densly populated the area is where you live. If I lived in an apartment building and found out someone else in my building had 100lbs of explosives in their apartment, I'd be concerned. If I lived on several acres in the country, it wouldn't matter nearly as much how much explosives my neibor had.

In the city where I live, if you live in an apartment you can't even store gasoline in the garage--nor can you store 20lb propane tanks in the garage either.
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Post by EspressoDude » Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:15 pm

too many is more than one truckload....not including the gun safes
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Post by can't sit still » Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:26 pm

How many of us store live ammo in a fireproof enclosure? It's true that burning ammo is dangerous. The burning rounds have nowhere near the velocity or power that they would have if they were fired from a weapon. The gunpowder is no particular danger. FFFFFg powder burns faster than FFFg but still not all that fast. Most reloading is with FFFg.
The smokeless powder just burns if it isn't enclosed.
Shoot, GIs used c4 to cook with. Dynamite burns nicely.
It sounds like the guy got careless and had a fire. The presence of live cartridges made everything worse. I don't believe that 15 years was warranted for his carelessness.
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Post by gyre » Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:39 pm

When the police make mistakes, they prosecute or bury them.

Maybe he wouldn't make a deal, being innocent and all?


Read the waco search warrant sometime.
See if you can find anything illegal on the list.


Last time I checked, the limit for black powder is 25 pounds, without paperwork.
You can go through that really quick with big guns.

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Post by Lassen Forge » Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:32 pm

EspressoDude wrote:too many is more than one truckload....not including the gun safes
I dunno...

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That truck seems pretty small to me...

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REALLY tight squeeze, MIGHT work, if you spaced the racks carefully...

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Post by Elderberry » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:52 am

Even Tombstone in its Old West shootout days had stricter open carry laws than Arizona has today. A gunslinger had to check his weapon as soon as he got to town. That law was passed out of necessity - the violence had simply gotten out of hand.

http://www.sbsun.com/editorial/ci_17911896
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Post by Lassen Forge » Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:31 am

Good article... Too bad it was an urban California paper, not an Arizona one, as it is kinda like the Mayor of NYC sending people to buy guns out of state to try to push his anti-gun agenda nationwide... If it were the Phoenix Sun, that would mean a lot more than a San Bernardino, CA. (which has a violence issue that's pretty nasty themselves) paper...

A lot of western towns way back when had the same law, actually... and yeah, it was intended to keep the local peace, and from the lawless from coming into town and disturbing that peace... There was a difference, tho... the guns were checked in, not confiscated and not returned (which they would be today), and returned to their rightful owners. They understood people had the right to be (and were usually) armed - travelers usually for damned good reason.

The other issue - in most cases, these laws were enacted on VISITORS (who were looked at as suspect anyway), and usually not the residents. The residents of these towns often DID have firearms, both for hunting, sustenance, and security, in case someone (or ones) decided that this gunless town was E-Z pickings, or the local doc/vet/tooth puller/barber had to put down a injured animal (like a horse), or the local meat-cutter to get game to sell, etc.

Because the Sheriff's who wanted to disarm their own populace didn't do so for egalitarian reasons, but to keep themselves from getting "fired" via the lead delivery service, because they themselves were petty dictators... not much different than today. Fear of those you oppress makes you want to dis-empower those you're oppressing, so they can't send you packing and reclaim their freedom and liberty...

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Post by gyre » Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:51 am

One of those good buzzword statements, but very misleading.
Comparing all of arizona to a city under martial law is hardly meaningful.

We're having the same stuff trotted out of the closet that they have been using since permits became legal here, end of the world, etc.
Every new law gets the same routine.
Do they mention that open carry was the idea of law enforcement?

I'm hearing the same song and dance about self defense on university campuses that we heard about permits.
Now they brag about how the police reduced crime.
Just coincidence that any changes sync with carry and use.

In Tombstone, were these people allowed to carry weapons into town, or even own them?
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A prohibited possessor includes a person found to constitute a danger to himself or others pursuant to a court order and whose court ordered treatment has not been terminated.

Who has been convicted of a felony involving violence or possession and use of a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument and whose civil rights have not been restored.

Who is at the time of possession serving a term of imprisonment in any correctional or detention facility.

Who at the time of possession is serving a term of probation pursuant to a conviction for a domestic violence offense or a felony offense, parole, community supervision, work furlough, home arrest or release on any other basis or who is serving a term of probation or parole.

Who was previously adjudicated delinquent and who possesses, uses or carries a firearm within ten years from the date of adjudication or release for an offense that if committed as an adult would constitute first or second degree burglary, arson, murder, manslaughter, kidnapping, robbery, aggravated assault, sexual assault or any felony offense involving the use or threatening exhibition of a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument.

An unemancipated person under 18 not accompanied by a parent, grandparent, guardian, or a certified hunter safety instructor or certified firearms safety instructor acting with consent of the minor's parent, grandparent or guardian shall not carry or possess on his person, within his immediate control, or in or on a means of transportation a firearm in any place open to the public or on any street, highway, or on private property, except private property owned or leased by the minor or the minor's parent, grandparent, or guardian.

This prohibition does not apply to a person between 14 and 17 engaged in lawful hunting, marksmanship practice, transportation of an unloaded firearm for the purpose of hunting or, between 5:00 a.m. and 10:00 p.m., transportation of an unloaded firearm for the purpose of marksmanship at a range or other area where the discharge of firearms is not prohibited.

This also applies-
No person shall, unless specifically authorized by law, enter a public establishment or attend a public event carrying a firearm after a reasonable request by the operator of the establishment or the sponsor of the event to remove his firearm and place it in the custody of the operator or sponsor. This does not apply to shooting ranges or shooting events, hunting areas or similar locations or activities.

Concealed carry requires a permit similar to most states.
Carry is typically restricted if alcohol is consumed.
The same myriad of obscure restrictions would apply to these permits.

Additional laws-

It is unlawful to recklessly handle, display, or discharge a firearm with the intent to disturb the peace and quiet of a neighborhood, family or person.

No person shall discharge a firearm from a motor vehicle, including an automobile, aircraft, train, boat or floating object towed by powerboat or sailboat.

Wildlife may be taken in defense of self or another.

No person shall knowingly discharge a firearm into a road or railway.

It is unlawful to discharge a firearm while taking wildlife within a quarter mile of an occupied farm house or other residence, cabin, lodge or building without the permission of the owner or resident.

It is unlawful to possess while hunting any contrivance designed to silence, muffle or minimize the report of a firearm.

It is unlawful for any person while taking wildlife or while in any hunting area to handle or discharge any firearm while intoxicated or in a careless or reckless manner or with wanton disregard for the safety of human life or property.

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Post by gyre » Sat Apr 23, 2011 1:44 pm

Is anyone else as fascinated by the number and sophistication of the technicals showing up in the middle east?
I've even seen some based on heavy commercial dump trailers carrying massive artillery and anti aircraft guns.

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Some of these have been mounted in Libya
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_ ... g_vehicle)

Why do Afghans tattoo the Canadian flag on themselves?
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/10/14/why- ... hilux.html

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Post by Elderberry » Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:38 pm

Bay Bridge Sue wrote:Good article... Too bad it was an urban California paper, not an Arizona one, as it is kinda like the Mayor of NYC sending people to buy guns out of state to try to push his anti-gun agenda nationwide... If it were the Phoenix Sun, that would mean a lot more than a San Bernardino, CA. (which has a violence issue that's pretty nasty themselves) paper...

A lot of western towns way back when had the same law, actually... and yeah, it was intended to keep the local peace, and from the lawless from coming into town and disturbing that peace... There was a difference, tho... the guns were checked in, not confiscated and not returned (which they would be today), and returned to their rightful owners. They understood people had the right to be (and were usually) armed - travelers usually for damned good reason.

The other issue - in most cases, these laws were enacted on VISITORS (who were looked at as suspect anyway), and usually not the residents. The residents of these towns often DID have firearms, both for hunting, sustenance, and security, in case someone (or ones) decided that this gunless town was E-Z pickings, or the local doc/vet/tooth puller/barber had to put down a injured animal (like a horse), or the local meat-cutter to get game to sell, etc.

Because the Sheriff's who wanted to disarm their own populace didn't do so for egalitarian reasons, but to keep themselves from getting "fired" via the lead delivery service, because they themselves were petty dictators... not much different than today. Fear of those you oppress makes you want to dis-empower those you're oppressing, so they can't send you packing and reclaim their freedom and liberty...
This article just popped up in my twitter feed and I liked the comparison to the good ole days. I thought it might invite some interesting comments, I didn't even pay any attention to where the paper was from.

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Post by gyre » Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:54 pm

I understand the rebels have now adopted hello kitty pink to avoid friendly fire incidents.
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The Libyan army has now adopted the use of technicals and the fear is that they will mark them to match the rebels.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12911904

Arms on both sides in Libya
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12692068
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Post by gyre » Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:15 pm

jkisha wrote: This article just popped up in my twitter feed and I liked the comparison to the good ole days. I thought it might invite some interesting comments, I didn't even pay any attention to where the paper was from.
I think I might have felt safer in the old west than some places I've been.

Effectively the old west can be visited by going to the right frontier now.
Or even watched on video, thanks to mobiles.

I understand the average gunfight involved shooting from ambush in a rural setting, rarely with a handgun.
The typical city gunfight involved one person chasing another with a shotgun, often missing due to intoxication.
An amusing parlor game among hunters was shooting things off of each other's heads while heavily intoxicated.


I have a friend that was gold mining in honduras.
The serious risk was getting to town in the first place.

They had the old west style bars there.
One day he started recognizing people, something that should not happen in an area not on the map.
It was the prelude to us intervention.
That was the end of the mining, for now.

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Post by Lassen Forge » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:00 am

Next thing you know, they'll be doing their technicals in Sparkle Pony Glitter... then we ARE doomed!
jkisha wrote:Hey, I think my partner and I will be coming up to San Fransisco sometime in the next three or four weeks for a BM planning meeting with other members of our camp. We're just trying to coordinate everyone's schedules. When I get the exact dates confirmed, I'll let you know. If you're free and might like to go for coffee or cocktails or lunch, that would be great.
Sounds GREAT... let me know! (added to keep it on topic - We'll have a blast!! --giggles--)

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Post by gyre » Mon May 02, 2011 8:49 am

http://rangemaster.com/

The latest newsletter is out.

Backup carry weapons and issues with even the most reliable primary weapons.

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Mon May 02, 2011 9:47 am

gyre wrote:Is anyone else as fascinated by the number and sophistication of the technicals showing up in the middle east?
I've even seen some based on heavy commercial dump trailers carrying massive artillery and anti aircraft guns.
Ooh, guns and trucks. Hold me until I stop shuddering. ;)

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Post by Montanarchist » Tue May 03, 2011 5:13 pm

Predator patrol after we lost a goat kid to a bear:

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Corruption of a lad from Scotland:

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Post by Lassen Forge » Wed May 04, 2011 5:40 am

(1) Sorry to hear about the kid... Did you get the bear? (Mmmm... Bear Steak!!!)

(2) I LOVE it when we can turn someone from the island away from the dark side, and toward enlightenment!!! Did that to my former son-in-law - went from a dejected "I can't shoot that, I don't have a license for it" (??!! Talk about brainwashed masses!) to "I want to emigrate... NOW."

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TomServo wrote:is everyone drunk in west texas? I dont miss Texas at all! North, South, East or West. I do miss DFW airport though! Was always my way out of Texas.
Fuck Texas. I can't wait to get out -- either to BRC or back east. Texas and I don't see eye to eye and neither will miss the other.

Oddly enough, I have a twin brother who is an Air Force gun smith (eh, THE gun smith?) and on the shooting team. Me? I don't like guns but the AF thinks I'm an excellent marksman.

Although, and this is one of my many contradictions, I wouldn't mind a worn AK-47 hanging on my wall, just for fun.
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Post by graidawg » Wed May 04, 2011 12:29 pm

dammit now i want to go shoot something!!!!
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Post by The Hustler » Wed May 04, 2011 12:38 pm

graidawg wrote:dammit now i want to go shoot something!!!!
Full LP tanks with dynamite strapped to them, shot with incendiary rounds.

I'm not a fan of killing people, but who can resist blowing shit up?
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Post by gyre » Wed May 04, 2011 12:58 pm

Come visit the land of rental machine guns.


I can't understand how anyone can not like guns.

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Post by graidawg » Wed May 04, 2011 1:48 pm

shooting stuff AND blowing stuff up at the same time? oh my.
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Post by Elderberry » Wed May 04, 2011 2:19 pm

Here's something for all you "trendy" locked and loaded types. :)

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Post by gyre » Fri May 06, 2011 12:32 pm

Don't know what to say about that, JKisha.


"I am a burglar, please open the door."

Police dress up as doctors to test citizens
Wed, Apr 27 2011

ISTANBUL (Reuters) - Turkish police donned white coats and stethoscopes to disguise themselves as doctors, then knocked on people's doors to see how easily they would fall for a confidence scam.

The undercover police officers told residents of the southeastern city of Gaziantep they were screening for high blood pressure and handed out pills, according to Turkish media.

They were alarmed when residents at 86 out of 100 households visited on Tuesday swallowed the pills immediately.

Police later returned to warn residents to be more cautious.

The police pills were harmless placebos. But a local gang had been using the same technique to give people heavy sedatives and then burgle them.

Turkish police in other provinces have also used novel methods to test citizens' gullibility.

Officers in Adana in southern Turkey last week called at houses, announcing through the intercom: "I am a burglar, please open the door."

Police said they were stunned at the number of people who opened the door, the Radikal daily newspaper reported.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/ ... 6I20110427

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Post by Montanarchist » Fri May 06, 2011 1:32 pm

Yea, I got that bastard Sue...In the goat pen on the carcass she had killed.

Blowing shit up... good times, indeed.
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Post by gyre » Mon May 09, 2011 10:16 am

New taser XREP round

http://www.taser.com/products/law-enfor ... -cartridge
http://www.lawmens.com/cgi-bin/lawmens/ ... 90107.html


I'm going to get to go shooting again soon.
Maybe even the AK.
I can't wait to get mine finished.

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Foo.
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I have the kit with the chrome barrel anyway.

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Post by Foxfur » Mon May 16, 2011 12:08 pm

Oh hell yes!
It seems that the people who I really dig here @ Das Playa also share yet another fondness, GUNS.

Met my wife in the army (on a rifle range no less) ~18yrs ago. When I took her out shooting with my personal weapons and saw her powdering small rocks @ 75yds with an iron-sighted AK, I knew I was gonna marry that girl.

Me and my service rifle (Fuck! So young then...)
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