Champagne Lounge 2011

Magiccannoncat · Post by **Magiccannoncat** » Tue May 10, 2011 2:55 pm

Hey Everyone!
I am from the Champagne Lounge theme camp, We started a Kickstarter page to raise money for our Open-Mic Happy Hour and there is only about a week left! I know some of you on here in the past have spoken out against Theme Camps seeking out money this way, but we are a small camp and if we want to expand this is our only option!
We are trying to raise the funds to build a stage, buy a sound system, and musical instruments to played by everyone and anyone! This stuff is pretty expensive when you take into account we still need to get over 25 cases of Champagne! So every little bit help, even a $1!!
So please at least go over to our kickstarter page and check it, maybe forward it to anyone you know who might be interested in helping!
Thanks a lot for all your help and kind understanding!

Champagne Lounge Kickstarter Fundraiser

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Tue May 10, 2011 10:23 pm

,,,nevermind

Post by **Elderberry** » Tue May 10, 2011 11:35 pm

Fund your own fucking camp like the rest of us do. If you can't afford it, don't do it. Or do something smaller that you can afford. Radical Self Reliance, remember?

Post by **Elderberry** » Tue May 10, 2011 11:37 pm

Was I too blunt?

MyDearFriend · Post by **MyDearFriend** » Wed May 11, 2011 3:44 am

jkisha wrote:Was I too blunt?

You were yourself, sir, and since you don't care for hugs, I would like to offer a manly handshake.

HandJamMasterC · Post by **HandJamMasterC** » Wed May 11, 2011 8:19 am

I'd donate to your camp except I got my own cases of champagne, a new sound system and more wine to buy for my camp. Mostly out of my own pocket. Good luck though !

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Wed May 11, 2011 10:44 am

Ah, but everybody's begging for camp money. I wanna tooooooo.

mudpuppy000 · Post by **mudpuppy000** » Wed May 11, 2011 11:23 am

I want a pony!

Magiccannoncat · Post by **Magiccannoncat** » Wed May 11, 2011 11:39 am

it is not begging, when you're offering something in return...

as for you funding your own camp, good for you! My camp on the other hand is using our radical self reliance to organize several fundraisers for our camp. this is just one of those.

There is no reason for you people to get so hurt over this, if you do not approve just don't contribute. But don't attack me for trying...

as for the pony, that would be awesome.

peachandpapa · Post by **peachandpapa** » Wed May 11, 2011 12:05 pm

Hey, Daddy, *I* want an Oompa Loompa! I want you to get me an Oompa Loompa right away! Daddy, I want an Oompa Loompa now!

It's the Veruca Salt way of life: If you can get it by simply asking, why not? Good luck!

Post by **Elderberry** » Wed May 11, 2011 4:51 pm

Magiccannoncat wrote:it is not begging, when you're offering something in return...

Of course it's begging. BM is not a TRADING economy, it is a GIFTING economy.

So, if you're bringing a camp that is going to be GIFTING Champaign, aren't you just selling tickets for drinks before you get to the playa?

Please don't take this personally, I feel exactly the same way about ANY PRIVATE CAMP that begs for money to build or pay for their whatever it is they are "contributing". I think it is a perversion of the use of Kickstarter for Burning Man.

zorro sings · Post by **zorro sings** » Wed May 11, 2011 5:04 pm

I agree.It is like buying a gift for yourself or in this case the community buying a gift for itself.Of course I realize I am on the wrong side of history on this one as more and more new camps find Kickstarter an easy way to gather funds for bigger and better things.It will not be long until the self financed camps will become a quaint oddity.

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Wed May 11, 2011 5:43 pm

DAMMIT JK! Trying to keep my mouth shut here. What I edited out above was pretty mild compared to your initial response.

But,,,, man oh man,,,, ya know,,,, we know individual campers that bust their ass ALL YEAR LONG to go as individuals! I'm working on a little project to support the camp year-round and have never asked anybody for anything. I have many people who WANT to GIVE their time and treasure. But not because I ever asked. I give all I can to our little piece of heaven for one week out of the year. I have no expectations and thus find myself eternally grateful for the GIFTS our camp receives from those who deem us worthy of the effort.

graidawg · Post by **graidawg** » Wed May 11, 2011 5:57 pm

MyDearFriend wrote:
jkisha wrote:Was I too blunt?
You were yourself, sir, and since you don't care for hugs, I would like to offer a manly handshake.

JK dpesn't like hugs? dammit thats 2 people i am going to have to give handshakes too.

DAMMIT JK! Trying to keep my mouth shut here. What I edited out above was pretty mild compared to your initial response.

But,,,, man oh man,,,, ya know,,,, we know individual campers that bust their ass ALL YEAR LONG to go as individuals! I'm working on a little project to support the camp year-round and have never asked anybody for anything. I have many people who WANT to GIVE their time and treasure. But not because I ever asked. I give all I can to our little piece of heaven for one week out of the year. I have no expectations and thus find myself eternally grateful for the GIFTS our camp receives from those who deem us worthy of the effort.

well said! i have been gifted so much to help me get to BM this year its humbling, having someone ask for money to do the same thing that so many other people are doing seems a bit............
hey heres an idea why dont you join forces with another camp thats already got this stuff?
just a thought

Dr. Pyro · Post by **Dr. Pyro** » Wed May 11, 2011 7:42 pm

Holy shit Graham, you've already posted 1050 times? Looks like we have a dedicated worker at BDC&WB. See you in 42 days to tip a few in London!

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Wed May 11, 2011 8:55 pm

graidawg wrote:JK dpesn't like hugs? dammit thats 2 people i am going to have to give handshakes too. :cry:

The problem is going to be remembering which ones they are when you see them on the playa. I suggest giving them buttons (badges?) that say "No Hugs"> you could probably do a red slash through a "((()))" so that it's internationally understood (on the internet).

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Wed May 11, 2011 8:57 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:
graidawg wrote:JK dpesn't like hugs? dammit thats 2 people i am going to have to give handshakes too.
The problem is going to be remembering which ones they are when you see them on the playa. I suggest giving them buttons (badges?) that say "No Hugs"> you could probably do a red slash through a "((()))" so that it's internationally understood (on the internet).

coulda fooled me,,,, Jk can hug with the best of 'em,,,, don't let him fool ya,,,, he's a closet hugger itellya,,,

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Wed May 11, 2011 9:03 pm

Trishntek wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:
graidawg wrote:JK dpesn't like hugs? dammit thats 2 people i am going to have to give handshakes too. :cry:
The problem is going to be remembering which ones they are when you see them on the playa. I suggest giving them buttons (badges?) that say "No Hugs"> you could probably do a red slash through a "((()))" so that it's internationally understood (on the internet).
coulda fooled me,,,, Jk can hug with the best of 'em,,,, don't let him fool ya,,,, he's a closet hugger itellya,,,

Ah, then the button will be ironing.

Post by **Elderberry** » Wed May 11, 2011 10:51 pm

zorro sings wrote:I agree.It is like buying a gift for yourself or in this case the community buying a gift for itself.Of course I realize I am on the wrong side of history on this one as more and more new camps find Kickstarter an easy way to gather funds for bigger and better things.It will not be long until the self financed camps will become a quaint oddity.

Understand that I am not against collecting camp dues from members, and I am not against Kickstarter for funding art projects. And I don't consider a mutant vehicle an art project.

Minxy · Post by **Minxy** » Thu May 12, 2011 12:36 am

I'm against small "theme" (or not) camps using Kickstarter to raise money.

IMO it is begging. As Graidawg said, why not be radically self-reliant and join forces with another group that already has the infrastructure you're lacking and you can contribute what you already have to them as well? Or use camp dues/personal funds to fund this dream of yours? That's what most people do.

I'm ALL for making your own camp doing your own thing and giving your gifts however you want to give them...but don't ask me to pay for it.

By refusing to bend somewhat and join someone else with existing mic/stage facilities insisting you have to have your own it feels as if (IMO) you're setting the camp up as an ego stroke to yourself. Something that you can point at and say *I/we* did that. If it's not about an ego trip, why not join a camp that already has a mic and stage and instruments? There must be at least several of them out there!

Maybe I'm just feeling snarky but this just blows my mind. Sorry. It's like me asking you for money so I can print up stickers with my logo on it as my gift to give to people. Don't think so.

goathead · Post by **goathead** » Thu May 12, 2011 3:19 am

Minxy wrote:I'm against small "theme" (or not) camps using Kickstarter to raise money.

IMO it is begging. As Graidawg said, why not be radically self-reliant and join forces with another group that already has the infrastructure you're lacking and you can contribute what you already have to them as well? Or use camp dues/personal funds to fund this dream of yours? That's what most people do.

I'm ALL for making your own camp doing your own thing and giving your gifts however you want to give them...but don't ask me to pay for it.

By refusing to bend somewhat and join someone else with existing mic/stage facilities insisting you have to have your own it feels as if (IMO) you're setting the camp up as an ego stroke to yourself. Something that you can point at and say *I/we* did that. If it's not about an ego trip, why not join a camp that already has a mic and stage and instruments? There must be at least several of them out there!

Maybe I'm just feeling snarky but this just blows my mind. Sorry. It's like me asking you for money so I can print up stickers with my logo on it as my gift to give to people. Don't think so.

Reading, reading, reading....

Wondering where the snark is?

Seems to me like your pretty nice here.

goathead · Post by **goathead** » Thu May 12, 2011 3:28 am

jkisha wrote: I am not against Kickstarter for funding art projects. And I don't consider a mutant vehicle an art project.

I have mixed emotions about that even.
While the large projects are impressive.
I really enjoy seeing what people can make come to life on their own.

graidawg · Post by **graidawg** » Thu May 12, 2011 4:29 am

Dr. Pyro wrote:Holy shit Graham, you've already posted 1050 times? Looks like we have a dedicated worker at BDC&WB. See you in 42 days to tip a few in London!

Dedicated slacker fuelled by alcohol. looking forward to a few beers with you in jolly old london town

moonrise · Post by **moonrise** » Thu May 12, 2011 5:40 am

Perhaps overall the kickstarter trend is a reflection of the raging recession.

Post by **AntiM** » Thu May 12, 2011 5:49 am

While I ask for donations of art for the HFWA, I would never ask for money. Donating art is paticipatory, cash makes me a whore. I have no idea exactly how much I've sunk into that project, but it is a pretty penny.

I felt odd last year taking the art grant cash for my Regional NoCostCo. That, I have kept receipts for. (sort of a HFWA but with costumes and gear)

Post by **AntiM** » Thu May 12, 2011 5:55 am

However, kickstarter is just a tool, and if someone chooses to use it, they certainly are free to do so. We are free to have opinions, and free to donate or not.

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu May 12, 2011 7:01 am

AntiM wrote:However, kickstarter is just a tool, and if someone chooses to use it, they certainly are free to do so. We are free to have opinions, and free to donate or not.

What's the difference?

1. I don't have the money to attend burning man and build my camp, so I advertise items that I am selling on eBay here on eplaya so that I can fund my trip.

2. I don't have the money to attend burning man and build my camp, so I advertise my kickstarter project here on eplaya so that I can fund my trip?

Post by **AntiM** » Thu May 12, 2011 7:10 am

Good question. That commerce line is fuzzy when it comes to fundraising, isn't it?

Minxy · Post by **Minxy** » Thu May 12, 2011 7:27 am

Fundraising, in the way I believe it's generally used for BM IMO, is when you're raising funds for a non-profit, selfless purpose. Say, the 2011 temple. Will those people get to keep large, costly items for themselves after raising $20k? No, it's going to be set up for a week for thousands to enjoy and then burned for thousands to see.

Commerce is when you're going to get something material out of it.

Of course, fundraising for something non-profitish and doing said non-profit activity DOES give you something...the wonderful feeling of giving something to others. Additionally, I'm sure that artists and leads/designers of large art projects probably get some great street cred and resume gold stars for having done those activities.

Usually, however, when you fund raise for something non-profit you don't get to keep a stage, instruments and mic/sound equipment as your own personal property.

And hey, Goathead, that IS really snarky for me!

It just really feels as if this type of fund raising scenario is going to be accepted I should ask everyone for money for MY personal gifting idea and then claim all the street cred for it. Bleargh!

I think how Anti M accepts and requests for art donations is just spot on. As are bars on the playa that appreciate and accept donations of libations. Or Playa Costume "shops" that ask for donations of neat clothing and then turn around and pass them on.

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu May 12, 2011 8:11 am

Minxy wrote:Fundraising, in the way I believe it's generally used for BM IMO, is when you're raising funds for a non-profit, selfless purpose. Say, the 2011 temple. Will those people get to keep large, costly items for themselves after raising $20k? No, it's going to be set up for a week for thousands to enjoy and then burned for thousands to see.

Commerce is when you're going to get something material out of it.

Of course, fundraising for something non-profitish and doing said non-profit activity DOES give you something...the wonderful feeling of giving something to others. Additionally, I'm sure that artists and leads/designers of large art projects probably get some great street cred and resume gold stars for having done those activities.

Usually, however, when you fund raise for something non-profit you don't get to keep a stage, instruments and mic/sound [art car] equipment as your own personal property.

And hey, Goathead, that IS really snarky for me! It just really feels as if this type of fund raising scenario is going to be accepted I should ask everyone for money for MY personal gifting idea and then claim all the street cred for it. Bleargh!

I think how Anti M accepts and requests for art donations is just spot on. As are bars on the playa that appreciate and accept donations of libations. Or Playa Costume "shops" that ask for donations of neat clothing and then turn around and pass them on.

You hit the nail right on the head. I have been trying to figure out exactly what it is that struck me as so wrong about kickstarter for personal camps, and you said it perfectly.

And, by that definition, it would be COMMERCE and should not be permitted to be advertised on eplaya.

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