Birthers

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sun May 15, 2011 11:38 am

even a constitutional convention would be interesting.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Sun May 15, 2011 11:47 am

ygmir wrote:even a constitutional convention would be interesting.

Damn straight................. It sure would be interesting to see what they came up with.

We are not following the Constitution anymore... let's be honest!

What would "they" do? What kind of binding agreement would they come up with? I want to know.

Bring it on.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sun May 15, 2011 11:59 am

John Lennon wrote "imagine". He named; no more; war, heaven, hell, countries, or religion. He never imagined a world without police. Even Bartertown in Thunderdome had police. Same with the atoll in Water-World.
Our thin veneer of civilization wears off easily. Credence Clearwater sings, "200 million guns are loaded, Satan cries take aim". I don't want to live in a world where there is no cop between Satan and me.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Sun May 15, 2011 12:19 pm

can't sit still wrote:John Lennon wrote "imagine". He named; no more; war, heaven, hell, countries, or religion. He never imagined a world without police. Even Bartertown in Thunderdome had police. Same with the atoll in Water-World.
Our thin veneer of civilization wears off easily. Credence Clearwater sings, "200 million guns are loaded, Satan cries take aim". I don't want to live in a world where there is no cop between Satan and me.

All hell brakes loose only for a while... People always reorganize..

It's time for a re-organization, that's all. And yes, people will die. People are dying right now. Nothing will change.

Trust me, the cops are not really there for you now. Read about Oakland..

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Sun May 15, 2011 5:07 pm

Donna Matrix wrote:Trust me, the cops are not really there for you now. Read about Oakland..

It depends on social class and political power. And there are plenty of people in Oakland who are upset that they are losing so many police to budget shortfalls. The situation there is complex, and it's silly to try and use it to prove a simple point.
IMHO>

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Sun May 15, 2011 5:11 pm

ygmir wrote:=
Because, people are not altruistic. They get into medicine, and, those related fields, to make money. And, the more, the better. (not saying there are no altruistic folks there, but, IMHO, they are a very small minority)

This really doesn't cover EMTs in my experience. Or nurses either. Doctors are a different animal, I know, but even then probably have mixed motives.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sun May 15, 2011 5:21 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:
ygmir wrote:=
Because, people are not altruistic. They get into medicine, and, those related fields, to make money. And, the more, the better. (not saying there are no altruistic folks there, but, IMHO, they are a very small minority)
This really doesn't cover EMTs in my experience. Or nurses either. Doctors are a different animal, I know, but even then probably have mixed motives.

I agree Fishy, ergo my not making it a blanket statement.
But, really, yes, of course folks do it because they love the work the helping and all.
But, if it paid a very minimal, or no, wage, would they still do it?

Again, not say some wouldn't, just saying profit/making a living have got to be a big driving force for many, if not most.

Which does not take away from the good they do, either.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Sun May 15, 2011 5:27 pm

This whole money thing is stupid.

We should have different competing money... like Federal money, State money, county and city money...

You want services from any and you have to do community service of some type to pay for your other services.... or you can get the local money to pay for local services or something like that.

We should be helping one another, not doing what we are doing just for money..... FUCK money.

Post by **Elderberry** » Sun May 15, 2011 5:49 pm

Donna, Donna, Donna. You poor dear. Your ignorance is showing again. Why do you insist on continually embarrassing yourself by posting in the politics forums. You, and eplaya, would be better served if you stuck to posting on issues that you at least have a clue as to what you are talking about.

*shaking head*

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Sun May 15, 2011 6:19 pm

jkisha wrote:Donna, Donna, Donna. You poor dear. Your ignorance is showing again. Why do you insist on continually embarrassing yourself by posting in the politics forums. You, and eplaya, would be better served if you stuck to posting on issues that you at least have a clue as to what you are talking about.

*shaking head*

Don't it make you mad...

Don't it get your goat....

When you get in the bathtub..

And can't find the soap.

Post by **Elderberry** » Sun May 15, 2011 11:52 pm

Well, that explains it.

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Mon May 16, 2011 12:27 am

theCryptofishist wrote:
ygmir wrote:=
Because, people are not altruistic. They get into medicine, and, those related fields, to make money. And, the more, the better. (not saying there are no altruistic folks there, but, IMHO, they are a very small minority)
This really doesn't cover EMTs in my experience. Or nurses either. Doctors are a different animal, I know, but even then probably have mixed motives.

Well most physicians leave school today owing upwards of $250k for the pleasure of attending another 10 or 12 years of school after high school.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Mon May 16, 2011 7:53 am

What is this topic about now anyways?

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Mon May 16, 2011 8:20 am

ygmir wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:
ygmir wrote:=
Because, people are not altruistic. They get into medicine, and, those related fields, to make money. And, the more, the better. (not saying there are no altruistic folks there, but, IMHO, they are a very small minority)
This really doesn't cover EMTs in my experience. Or nurses either. Doctors are a different animal, I know, but even then probably have mixed motives.
I agree Fishy, ergo my not making it a blanket statement.
But, really, yes, of course folks do it because they love the work the helping and all.
But, if it paid a very minimal, or no, wage, would they still do it?

Again, not say some wouldn't, just saying profit/making a living have got to be a big driving force for many, if not most.

Which does not take away from the good they do, either.

I know many doctors that, if they care about money, really don't understand math.

I can't speak to ratios.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Mon May 16, 2011 9:48 am

Donna Matrix wrote:What is this topic about now anyways?

skibear · Post by **skibear** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:34 pm

I was born in Honolulu Hawaii so should I bring my birth cert to Burning
Man! LOL

Note to self: Check mine to see if hospital was same as Obama's.

We were all born naked.

lucky420 · Post by **lucky420** » Wed May 18, 2011 8:53 pm

skibear+1

wedeliver · Post by **wedeliver** » Thu May 19, 2011 9:09 am

ygmir wrote:......and, I'd bet, somewhere in Obamas writings (are they public?), along with his wife, there are things that could be called racist (probably against "whites").
Does it matter? well, not really to me. It does not change my opinion of him, or them, at all.

How much to you want to bet? For some reason you wish to claim that Obama has said, and wrote, racist things,
"(probably against "whites")"even . What in Gods name gave you this idea? I love ya ygmir, but why post such a racist thought?

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu May 19, 2011 9:14 am

wedeliver wrote:
ygmir wrote:......and, I'd bet, somewhere in Obamas writings (are they public?), along with his wife, there are things that could be called racist (probably against "whites").
Does it matter? well, not really to me. It does not change my opinion of him, or them, at all.
How much to you want to bet? For some reason you wish to claim that Obama has said, and wrote, racist things,
"(probably against "whites")"even . What in Gods name gave you this idea? I love ya ygmir, but why post such a racist thought?

I don't think it was racist. It was just Ygmir sitting on the fence again. There can't be a point without a counterpoint don't-cha-know.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu May 19, 2011 9:14 am

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu May 19, 2011 9:16 am

jkisha wrote:There can't be a point without a counterpoint don't-cha-know.

Yes there can.

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu May 19, 2011 9:17 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:
jkisha wrote:There can't be a point without a counterpoint don't-cha-know.
Yes there can.

LOL

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu May 19, 2011 9:19 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:

That's great. They also have T-shirts with that on them. Interesting fundraiser.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu May 19, 2011 9:21 am

jkisha wrote:
Ugly Dougly wrote:
jkisha wrote:There can't be a point without a counterpoint don't-cha-know.
Yes there can.
LOL

Maybe both of you are wrong?

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu May 19, 2011 9:24 am

gyre wrote:
jkisha wrote:
Ugly Dougly wrote: Yes there can.
LOL
Maybe both of you are wrong?

No, I think we're both right.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu May 19, 2011 9:33 am

What if all of us are right?

wedeliver · Post by **wedeliver** » Thu May 19, 2011 9:50 am

jkisha wrote:
wedeliver wrote:
ygmir wrote:......and, I'd bet, somewhere in Obamas writings (are they public?), along with his wife, there are things that could be called racist (probably against "whites").
Does it matter? well, not really to me. It does not change my opinion of him, or them, at all.
How much to you want to bet? For some reason you wish to claim that Obama has said, and wrote, racist things,
"(probably against "whites")"even . What in Gods name gave you this idea? I love ya ygmir, but why post such a racist thought?
I don't think it was racist. It was just Ygmir sitting on the fence again. There can't be a point without a counterpoint don't-cha-know.

what is it that makes a statement racist? Heck I don't know, I guess race must be mentioned in the statement and for it to be racist I suppose it should also make one rce look good and another race look bad.

so, for Ygmir to assume that Obama has made rasicist writings is somehow very, I can't think of the right words, bothering comes to mind, upsetting also, but really neather of those express what Ygmirs thinking, expressed through his post effects me and probably it would have been wiser of me to keep my mouth shut.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Thu May 19, 2011 10:31 am

wedeliver wrote:
jkisha wrote:
wedeliver wrote: How much to you want to bet? For some reason you wish to claim that Obama has said, and wrote, racist things,
"(probably against "whites")"even . What in Gods name gave you this idea? I love ya ygmir, but why post such a racist thought?
I don't think it was racist. It was just Ygmir sitting on the fence again. There can't be a point without a counterpoint don't-cha-know.
what is it that makes a statement racist? Heck I don't know, I guess race must be mentioned in the statement and for it to be racist I suppose it should also make one rce look good and another race look bad.

so, for Ygmir to assume that Obama has made rasicist writings is somehow very, I can't think of the right words, bothering comes to mind, upsetting also, but really neather of those express what Ygmirs thinking, expressed through his post effects me and probably it would have been wiser of me to keep my mouth shut.

I don't see, at all how my statement can be viewed as "racist".
How, can stating "and, I'd bet...snipped....." be racist?
Even if I'm wrong, (I don't think I am), saying that is not derogatory towards anyone's race.
Perhaps, you could construe it as a personal affront, but even then, I don't see it.
And, I did not state he/they made directly racist statement/writings, but suggested that some of his writings, could probably be taken that way. Perhaps, those of his wife, as well.

And, the point of it was, it didn't matter to me, anyway.

I try to use my words accurately. and, hope others read them, as such.
I believe, WD (and I love you, too) you saw words somewhat out of context, attached emotion and came up with a different meaning or tenor.
Perhaps, a more careful parsing of my missive, would give the meaning I was after.
And, conversely, perhaps I was not clear.
It does, though, bear witness to grand intellect and friendship, that we can discuss this openly, to get past misconception.
I do thank you for that.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu May 19, 2011 10:45 am

Hooray for Ygmir!

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ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Thu May 19, 2011 10:57 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:Hooray for Ygmir!

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ROFLMAO.........I might have even peed a little...........that's me, the new hero!!!