Spoils of war? Should Isreal return land won in war.

wedeliver · Post by **wedeliver** » Fri May 20, 2011 9:17 am

Wow, what do you all think? I have not researched the subject but it seems that today things are different then they were in the past. There are no "Spoils of War".

knowmad · Post by **knowmad** » Fri May 20, 2011 11:23 am

Uh would we be Giving the Black Hills back to the Blackfoot?

As a Kickapoo would I be able to reclaim the Kickapoo Vally?

Best advice FFF.
Forgive, Forget and Fuck. and both your children inherit "God's" chosen land/race.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Fri May 20, 2011 11:31 am

I don't see them ready to make concessions for peace.
The new "democratic" movements in the Arab states will be Israel's undoing, I think.

Bin Noddin · Post by **Bin Noddin** » Fri May 20, 2011 11:57 am

Methinks the only way they'll live peacefully (somewhat) together is under a pax romana. Who wants to be the next emperor? Bring back the Turks?

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Fri May 20, 2011 12:04 pm

As I have said, Egypt has enough tanks to roll into Libya and solve the Qadafy issue once and for all. They just need a leader with vision.

wedeliver · Post by **wedeliver** » Fri May 20, 2011 5:43 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:As I have said, Egypt has enough tanks to roll into Libya and solve the Qadafy issue once and for all. They just need a leader with vision.

You are a leader, You have vision! Looking for work? How might this position be advertised?

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Sat May 21, 2011 12:05 am

Probably in Arabic.

http://movieclips.com/W9ps5-lawrence-of ... prisoners/

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sat May 21, 2011 5:43 pm

Israel learned early on that their nascent country was indefensible. It wouldn't need so much defense if they didn't stir up their neighbors so much. Israel admits to starting The 6 Day War. They had to push their frontiers back enough for the country to be defensible. Their early massacres of Palestinian villages set the tone for later actions. After that, it was tit-for-tat. Israel knows that a return to the 1967 borders would be suicide.
http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2 ... ork-video/
Israelis had / have a dream of a "Greater Israel". It encompasses a great deal of land that already has people on it.
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre ... ry695.html
These people have a lot of petro-dollars. People with dollars can buy any weapons that they want.
If israel hadn't set the tone by exterminating palestinian villages, there might be some room to maneuver with the various arab groups. Like America, israel had a vision of "manifest destiny". The age of unlimited genocide is coming to a close. Only genocide can save israel. The available tools are war and/ or diplomacy.
Israel made the mistake early on to depend on force. They believed that unlimited weaponry would give them unlimited protection. The palestinians depended on unlimited fecundity as their weapon of choice. Arafat made it clear that he would sacrifice as many palestinians as necessary to draw Western condemnation of israel. The israelis have only recently come to understand the weapon used against them. About 340 children were killed in operation "cast Lead". Many of them were purposely targeted.

Israel can't exist if it is ostracized by the West. Weapons alone won't save them. The jews are a smart people. They FAIL to see the tactics used against them. Every piddly rocket that lands in israel and they go in to all-out retaliation. They kill a bunch of palestinians and garner that much more hatred from the West.
It was civilian-deaths that prompted obama to call Mubarak and tell him to step down.
It was civilian deaths that prompted NATO to attack Libya. Civilian deaths in Tunisia. The palestinains just provoke more civilian deaths. The israelis just keep killing them and don't catch on to the fact that THIS is what the Arab countries are hoping for.

To many of the israeli leaders are of Russian heritage. They have no finesse. They could have turned back the flotilla with a few tugboats. NOPE, they had to kill a bunch of people and create a cause celebre. They could have handled the "nabka" day protests without killing anyone. NOPE ! The Russian contingent only knows how to bludgeon people to get the desired immediate results. The Russian brutality will be the downfall of israel.
Israel had a promising start. The Russian jews fucked it up good. Judaism and the moderate jews will suffer.
Israel can't give back any captured territory and still survive.

Edit. Roy Tov makes a good case that Netanyahu will be assassinated if he makes any peace overtures. This happened to Rabin when he tried to work for peace;
http://www.roytov.com/articles/forgetmenot.htm

goathead · Post by **goathead** » Sun May 22, 2011 1:37 pm

Israel admits to starting The 6 Day War.

Probably had nothing to do with the armies massed on their borders. First strike is probably why they are still here today.

Israelis had / have a dream of a "Greater Israel". It encompasses a great deal of land that already has people on it.

Kind of conflict with the Islamic dream doesn't it.

Arafat made it clear that he would sacrifice as many palestinians as necessary to draw Western condemnation of israel.

While stealing as much as he could to keep them living in miserable conditions.

Many of them were purposely targeted.

cite?

Every piddly rocket that lands in israel and they go in to all-out retaliation.

I think they have shone to much restraint.

They could have turned back the flotilla with a few tugboats.

But that really wasn't the purpose of the flotilla was it.

Israel had a promising start.

No thanks to her neighbors.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sun May 22, 2011 2:51 pm

I won't debate it here. I haven't the time. I only addressed the question of a "return" of land. There is another thread with some of the cites. I haven't even tried to address if the acquisition of the contested land was "evil" or "good". That isn't the theme of this thread. The jews need to worry about Bibi. Here is what Rabin's widow had to say.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/ne ... ter-1.5452
My one post had all that I thought was relevant to the thread.

Marscrumbs · Post by **Marscrumbs** » Sun May 22, 2011 4:37 pm

All these problems could have been avoid if only after WWII we had given the jewish people New Jersey instead.

Marscrumbs · Post by **Marscrumbs** » Sun May 22, 2011 4:38 pm

goathead · Post by **goathead** » Sun May 22, 2011 4:39 pm

and Florida for the winter.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sun May 22, 2011 5:09 pm

Marscrumbs wrote:All these problems could have been avoid if only after WWII we had given the jewish people New Jersey instead.

How can you give them what they already own?

Post by **mdmf007** » Sun May 22, 2011 7:10 pm

No way is Israel going to give land back. No way is Israel going to fall. The US would never let it happen. Oil money can buy a ton of weapons, but we give them to the Israelis freely. Israel is also nuclear capable. Damascus, Mecca, and Cairo would be sheets of glass if backed into a corner and their survival depended on it.

Should they give land back? probably in the west bank and gaza definitely. WIll they? No. and any amount they do would simply be a token for bargaining.