Can You Figure Out What Nation This Is?

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:27 am

Lets not forget the Masonic Order and their influence on our founding fathers.
Talk about Pagan!

A II Z

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:23 pm

Simply Joel wrote:
We should remove reference to SPECIFIC religions from government and public buildings. Either all or none, anything inbetween is breeding a hostile minority. Take the case of the 10 Commandments in the walls of public schools.
are you really willing to pay the tab ($$$$$) for this when other education issue take priority?

actually... i meant issues

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:28 pm

Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.

-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote "Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?")

They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion.

-Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, Sept. 23, 1800

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.

-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.

it goes on and on

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:33 pm

All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.

-Thomas Paine

The blackest billingsgate, the most ungentlemanly insolence, the most yahooist brutality, is patently endured, countenanced, propagated, and applauded. But touch a solemn truth in collision with the dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will soon find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your eyes and hand, and fly into your face and eyes.
-John Adams

And the day will come, when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His Father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva, in the brain of Jupiter.
-Thomas Jefferson

This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religions in it.
-John Adams

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:02 pm

There is no worse an institution as a bad government officiating a bad religion!

A II Z

Magikal · Post by **Magikal** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 9:23 am

stuart wrote:Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.

-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

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History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.

-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.

it goes on and on

That is some elucidation. I concede you the point.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:39 pm

TV fantasy land on steroids?

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 3:41 pm

Molly Ivans says..."all hat and no cows"

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 5:38 am

cowboyangel wrote:Molly Ivans says..."all hat and no cows"

silly liberal wench

Magikal · Post by **Magikal** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 8:40 pm

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