Birthers

[dr.placebo]

What is this topic about now anyways?

Well, it stopped being about Obama's birth certificate, although there are still those who claim it's a forgery. It appears now to be searching for the next wacko conspiracy to spring forth.

How about Justin Bieber being the love child of Mary Shelly and Lord Byron? Date discrepancies can be explained by his having a hidden portrait that looks really, really old (kinda like Keith Richards).

[Ugly Dougly]

How about Justin Bieber being the love child of Mary Shelly and Lord Byron? Date discrepancies can be explained by his having a hidden portrait that looks really, really old (kinda like Keith Richards).

Oooh. You're good, Doc.

[theCryptofishist]

Dorian?

[can't sit still]

Y'all have this kneejerk reaction to racism. The slightest whiff and you duck for cover and explanations. Racism is no big deal. Like most things, it depends on circumstance. Are all the people in Chinatown racist? Does it matter. Does it bother you personally?
Do you feel slighted because there is a national association of Black Journalists.
Evidently, you can have Black Studies classes but not Latino studies classes;
"The New York Times reported this morning that a Latino/ Mexican-American literature class has been deemed illegal by the state of Arizona. But similar classes for Black, Asian and Native American studies remain untouched"

Do you feel slighted because you can't find a career here; http://www.blackcareers.com/ ?
Suppose that there were a WHITE Career site? Suppose that there was a site for WHITE owned business?
http://www.blackownednewyork.com/
Racism is everywhere. I don't see it as damaging when it's not particularly exclusionary. There are enough opportunities in this country that everyone has a chance to excel.

[ygmir]

Dorian?

you wandering into the Gre(a)y area.......

[TomServo]

Dorian?

you wandering into the Gre(a)y area.......

thats a musical mode. You wanna join the white supremists CSS? Obama is an american! give it a fucking rest!

[ygmir]

Dorian?

you wandering into the Gre(a)y area.......

thats a musical mode. You wanna join the white supremists CSS? Obama is an american! give it a fucking rest!

How did, "the Fish" and I, get brought into your spew?

[TomServo]

It was the topic....and I quit music theory

[wedeliver]

I don't think it was racist. It was just Ygmir sitting on the fence again. There can't be a point without a counterpoint don't-cha-know.

what is it that makes a statement racist? Heck I don't know, I guess race must be mentioned in the statement and for it to be racist I suppose it should also make one rce look good and another race look bad.

so, for Ygmir to assume that Obama has made rasicist writings is somehow very, I can't think of the right words, bothering comes to mind, upsetting also, but really neather of those express what Ygmirs thinking, expressed through his post effects me and probably it would have been wiser of me to keep my mouth shut.

I don't see, at all how my statement can be viewed as "racist".
How, can stating "and, I'd bet...snipped....." be racist?
Even if I'm wrong, (I don't think I am), saying that is not derogatory towards anyone's race.
Perhaps, you could construe it as a personal affront, but even then, I don't see it.
And, I did not state he/they made directly racist statement/writings, but suggested that some of his writings, could probably be taken that way. Perhaps, those of his wife, as well.

And, the point of it was, it didn't matter to me, anyway.

I try to use my words accurately. and, hope others read them, as such.
I believe, WD (and I love you, too) you saw words somewhat out of context, attached emotion and came up with a different meaning or tenor.
Perhaps, a more careful parsing of my missive, would give the meaning I was after.
And, conversely, perhaps I was not clear.
It does, though, bear witness to grand intellect and friendship, that we can discuss this openly, to get past misconception.
I do thank you for that.

In my opinion you accused both the president and his wife (I have no idea why you included her other then she is also black) of making racist statements in writing. You indicatyed that if you could only see what Obama and his wife have written you would be able to find racist statements. You even said that the racists statements would be against "Whites".

It is one thing for us to discuss the president but to bring his wife into the shit, sucks.

I was ready to give you the benifit of the doubt that you only said the above to provoke discussion, but then you say "Even if I'm wrong, (I don't think I am), saying that is not derogatory towards anyone's race.". So it seems you really do believe that the President and his wife have both written things that are racist against whites. You say this with no probably cause or reason to belive the above other then they are black.

thank you for a reasonable discussion, I have no claim to being right or that my thinking is better then anyone elses, but I felt in this example that the president and his wife could not defend themselves, so someone must speak up.

[Trishntek]

It is pretty difficult to say one way or another when purported writings are not allowed public scrutiny. You would think someone granted the esteem of President of the Harvard Law Review would have some peer reviewed writings. Without any such material, this whole discussion is nothing more than hypothetical fodder for either point of view.

[Ugly Dougly]

From what I understand, racism is the practice of attaching signifiant attributes to race, other than skin color, whether good or bad.

In reality, those good or bad attributes can be learned or unlearned by anybody regardless of race.

[ygmir]

His basketball comment....or his assertion that Obama only got into Harvard through affirmative action. Obama once stated that AA probably played a hand in getting into Harvard, but people who knew him....that Trump can't seem to find, say Obama was a brilliant student. According to reports that I'm too lazy to dig up, Trump is a racist...maybe a closet racist, a sexist..and an asshole. That said, we should give him every opportunity to run as a Republican! Ill stop bitching about him, if it helps!

Seth Meyers was brutal to him at the White House Correspondents Dinner. Funny as could be. Catch it on YouTube if you didn't watch it on cSpan.

sort of interesting.......it's ok to slam on Trump.......yeah, retribution for his slamming Obama.........but, isn't it all the same?
I'd bet, he was very derogatory, personal, and spiteful.
Yet, don't do that to "my prez".........

If you guys were taking the "high road", you'd let it roll like water off a ducks back, and move forward with a positive and insightful agenda.

no, I don't see much difference.

and, I'd bet, somewhere in Obamas writings (are they public?), along with his wife, there are things that could be called racist (probably against "whites").
Does it matter? well, not really to me. It does not change my opinion of him, or them, at all.

Edit: I went back and quoted my original here, and the posts it was relating to, for clarity.

WD:
I think, you're way out of context here, with my statement.
IIRC, there has been much discussion, and accusation as well as innuendo regarding the writings of "the first couple". Both of them.
and, it also seems, most of those writings have been taken out of the public view, so, one might legitimately question this, IMHO.

And, if you look at what I wrote, and the context, you'll see I was using that as an example, of unfair bias when people talk of racism. Also note, I clearly stated it mattered not to me, at all, what they wrote.

I was pointing out, that accusations flung from the left, at a right winger, seem always applauded and accepted as stated, but, turn the tables and you've crossed a taboo line.

Bottom line, for me is, that I don't care what color they are (the first couple), I do care about their attitudes and politics.
Now, if their attitudes are shaped by the color of their skin, how am I to separate that? I don't.
I was merely making an example.
Hell, I suppose I could have dug and found something written (well, maybe not originally) by Biden, and used that.

I just grabbed a high profile example, since both of them (1st couple) have been lauded for their writings and such.

I still feel you're running on the emotion of protection, and, "don't say anything bad" about your guy, and using whatever tool you can to deflect criticism.


But, I will not accept you label of "racist", personally, or, in my writing above.

[Elderberry]

It is pretty difficult to say one way or another when purported writings are not allowed public scrutiny. You would think someone granted the esteem of President of the Harvard Law Review would have some peer reviewed writings. Without any such material, this whole discussion is nothing more than hypothetical fodder for either point of view.

You need to give this a rest already.

First, Obama published as much as any other 2nd year law student at Harvard, but no 2nd year law student is permitted to credit or by line any writing published in the review.

Second, when he was a third year student, he became editor of the review. By definition, editors edit...other people's articles and he was not expected to, nor did he write for the review during the time he was the editor.

No great conspiracy here, nothing out of the ordinary, except that before Obama was president nobody knew nor cared what the criteria was for law students regarding their writings. So, it has been easy for a lot of people to be duped into believing all that crap about him never being published, etc. I'm just surprised and disappointed that you were one of those people.

[Trishntek]

It is pretty difficult to say one way or another when purported writings are not allowed public scrutiny. You would think someone granted the esteem of President of the Harvard Law Review would have some peer reviewed writings. Without any such material, this whole discussion is nothing more than hypothetical fodder for either point of view.

You need to give this a rest already.

First, Obama published as much as any other 2nd year law student at Harvard, but no 2nd year law student is permitted to credit or by line any writing published in the review.

Second, when he was a third year student, he became editor of the review. By definition, editors edit...other people's articles and he was not expected to, nor did he write for the review during the time he was the editor.

No great conspiracy here, nothing out of the ordinary, except that before Obama was president nobody knew nor cared what the criteria was for law students regarding their writings. So, it has been easy for a lot of people to be duped into believing all that crap about him never being published, etc. I'm just surprised and disappointed that you were one of those people.

I simply contend there exists no evidence, during his academic learning experience, that he wrote any statements, let alone racist statements.

[wedeliver]

........But, I will not accept you label of "racist", personally, or, in my writing above.

I believe what I said above is that I could not understand why you had such a "racist thought". I don't think I ever commented about you other then that question. And that question was prompted by your statement that you were pretty sure that Obama and his wife had both written racist things. Not ohly did you make this crazy claim, but you also said the racist writing would be against whites. Seems pretty clear to me what you are saying and I cannot agree with you.

I saw nothing in the thread that would give rise to your statement, I read nothing that would lead to you needing to make some point and claiming that Obama AND HIS WIFE have committed said sin.

My point has been made, It's just my opinion and you don't have to accept it. But you did say that he had written racist things against white people and unless you can back that up, or wish to explain how that is a reasonable thing to say when it cannot be shown to be true? (unless you think there is another conspiricy where they have withdrawn Obamas writings from public record, and his phony birth cirt, and bad grades in school)

But the Bottom line, as you say above, is not that you are colorblind, its that nobody really gives a shit about what we say here, I might be a racist, you might be one, nobody cares!

[Laf']

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Everyone's a little bit racist.
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[Ugly Dougly]

Nyah-nyah! I know how to post Youtubes and you don't!

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[Laf']

Thanks for fixing that for me. What did I do wrong?

[wedeliver]

Great song. I am glad to have heard it, but I am sorry that I think I said something that hurt a friend. I was not trying to hurt, but the words get in the way, I am as guilty if not more of anything I have ever said about someone else.

[Ugly Dougly]

Thanks for fixing that for me. What did I do wrong?

I am not permitted to tell you.
Except in tiny print. You didn't put in the whole URL.