Elitist Gatekeepers of DMV

[Icepack]

Re: art cars such as the one described --

Jesus. Why not just park it, or drive back and forth in your own camp? Look at the Contessa. Parked is pretty much the same as driving 5 mph in that thing. Just rock back and forth a little to simulate motion.

Center Camp used to have a bunch of circus acts. BRC-DMV should just set up an art car tailgating area, like the art car row a few years ago.

Leave the "open playa" to humans and human-powered vehicles, IMO. And those cute little tumbleweeds.

Last year there was an Art Car camp. Maybe this year there could be a "Rejected by the DMV" camp. I realize it's too late to register as a theme camp, but that doesn't mean you all can't undo whatever necessary so that the DMV people let you bring the thing in and park it for the week. I imagine that the impound lot will look pretty impressive. It would be nice if they could set the impound lot up somewhere that was accessible so folks could visit it and check out all the cool stuff that didn't get admitted.

As much as I love the art cars and mutant vehicles, I do get nervous about getting run over by them. I'd like to walk around in the dark and not have to worry about things like that.

[Tancorix]

If you drive a legal vehicle off 447 and you are taking it to your campsite to be parked until you leave, the DMV can't say squat. The only way they can impound you is if you drive around the event after getting there. If I had an art car and was driving in strictly to park at my campsite and make the vehicle an integral part of my camp and somebody tried to impound me, I'd raise holy hell. And that's putting it mildly.

Remember the DMV's mission, and why these new rules were implemented to begin with and you'll quickly figure out what they are trying to address.

[unjonharley]

Last year was my first attempt at a "art car" I built an executioners chair from the ground up. Named after the theme The Passage Beyond (have a seat) A sled with a motor. Now comes the problem. I used the words electric chair when registering it with DMV. When I showed up to get my BRC tag I was turned down. The steering was parts from an old "electric chair" for the disabled. The Hottie had electric chair in his head. He would not even walk over to look at it. The pirated steering device was all he could dwell on. The real fucked part was it was disabled. I had blowen the main drive the first hour on the playa. My camp mate had towed me to the DMV dept. It takes me twice as long to make things (I'm disabled). I just wanted a damn tag for my efforts. That's what I said. " Oh for christ sake put a tag on the fucking thing " Got my tag ;>).

Lesion learned: Try harder. Nothing for this year. already started on 05.

[Technomania Circus]

I have a big mouth, should keep this idea quiet but I just have to share...
my creative processess are at work

Perhaps if I (or you) take my digital camera, take pictures of DMV stickers on approved vehicles, download and edit the pictures on de laptop/playa/printer I'm taking to make yes... a thousand DMV stickers.
To be handed out in masse.
Placing stickers on all vehicles that have any art at all on them, and if they don't I could just draw something out of the dust on it and call it art and call their vehicle mutated.
I think everyone should have a DMV sticker, yep.

None of this exclusionary crap that the corporate bueracrat burners promote.
You must spend this much to achieve this goal to get this done.
Bring your mutant vehicle on a trailer or store it.

How much trouble can I create? A lot more than if I had been freakin allowed a performance vehicle on the playa.
I'm not done yet. I have energy.
Perhaps the hand of BM will trash to smash me, but do they own the HAND of GOD ---NO ! Call me a terrorist, 86 me from the event, but I believe in the voice of playa expression & freedom, even if I ain't too smart expressing it. I am not a newbie and have paid my dues so I believe I have the right to speech, yet you don't have to listen either.

Oh, and all the DMV hotties don't suck, our smart camp DMV hottie stuck up for me to BMORG and the artistic value of a Technomaniacal roving vs stationary (boring) performances so she's good in my book. Thanks.

But I also heard that our crotchety camp ranger will be one of the guys doing the towing of disallowed disabled DMV vehicles to the "pit".

To avoid this guy and a bad trip to the pound, you will need a DMV sticker and if you don't have one well you know what to do.
If ever approached on the counterfeitness, just plead the 5th, deny it's your vehicle, and state you just have approval to use it from the owner.
you're also taking it back to camp right now so you don't have any idea of anything. Or any awareness of anything being done illegally.
Cuz you didn't do anything, you looked the other way when that DMV sticker was placed on your vehicle. You know nothing.
Just drive baby.

ALternate DMV Approval Camp Now Forming

[Bob]

Sounds like back when the implicit control over art car traffic was exerted by the de facto ranger-in-charge conveniently disappearing so none of the artless hoi polloi could get a sticker. If you knew how to find him or someone else who had a handful of stickers and talk them out of one, well, you had a sticker in hand for whatever and whomever. Not abusing the privilege was part of the game, as was running the risk of handing it over to an art car some particular rangers seemed to have a grudge against. If it involved friends of friends in whatever realm of BRC politics, at least there was some chain of responsibility.

Art cars were fewer, smaller, and less dangerous, IMO, at that time. Institutionalizing the DMV was a bow to some semblance of fairness, in largely removing it from ranger control, but in any form you have to expect they'll make a few devil's bargains to say yes to one thing and no to another. The history of BRC bureaucracy, in my experience, consists of genuine human beings simply coming up with more-or-less reasonable responses to participants wanting to do things. Sure, there's some vagueness, and compromises made to form city policy, but none of it is done lightly, without any thought, and without influence from everyone who is vocal about their stake in the issues involved. The 900 pound gorilla influencing policy would be the BLM and law enforcement, who obviously want to avoid mopping up after tragic injury accidents.

If I had any general advice, it would be either to play the game and shut up about it (at least until the next pre-event period), or find something to do on the playa for which you don't have to ask permission or apologize. That life isn't made fair should go without saying.

[Simply Joel]

That life isn't made fair should go without saying.

cites?

[Bob]

cites?

Hammurabi, Leviticus, English Common Law, Hot August Nights Car Application, bla bla bla.

Even "cite", itself, is a term of "art".

[chefjuke]

Technomania,

First off, I think in your posts you make some possibly unfair assumptions as to the motivation behind the denial of your permit. From your descriptions of your vehicle, as is, it does not meet the critera for a Mutant Vehicle. That being said, it sounds like the performances that you do with the car are very artistic and worthwhile, however that doesn't change the lack of meeting the criteria for Mutant Vehicle status.

I would strongly suggest you contact the folks at the ARTERY as from the description of your vehicle+performance it might fit within their perview and they may be able to help you obtain an OK for using your vehicle on the Playa. Maybe not, but that would at least be worth investigating to get you closer to your stated goal.

As for trying to forge DMV stickers, you would probably be hard-pressed to do so as their design changes year to year (I don't think you'd see any before you were out on the playa) they're high-end reflective stickers, not just paper, and even if a number of people were to be even partially successful, do you really think it would be a good thing to allow a bunch more folks out driving on the playa? Really?

Having seen and known people injured by reckless driving on the playa, I am really not in favor of more drivers and I AM in favor of raising the bar for Mutant Vehicle status.

Just my 2 cents worth.

[Captain Goddammit]

Sorry to be "devil's advocate", but here's some tough questions.
Is your van a "mutant vehicle" that is custom-built or unrecognizable as the base vehicle you started with, or isn't it?
How do you suggest the DMV handle all the license requests from other people who have vehicles that in themselves don't qualify as "mutant vehicles" but who claim they will be doing performance art on them? Couldn't anyone say that and get any vehicle licensed?

I'm not suggesting that your performance would be anything but spectacular, in fact I wish you were going to be there doing it, it does sound great. It's just that it seems clear what the DMV's problem would be with licensing the vehicle you want to use.

I don't know if there's a way to get a permit for a mobile performance platform... it sounds like that's what you need, rather than a mutant vehicle permit.

[Captain Goddammit]

Sorry to be "devil's advocate", but here's some tough questions.
Is your van a "mutant vehicle" that is custom-built or unrecognizable as the base vehicle you started with, or isn't it?
How do you suggest the DMV handle all the license requests from other people who have vehicles that in themselves don't qualify as "mutant vehicles" but who claim they will be doing performance art on them? Couldn't anyone say that and get any vehicle licensed?

I'm not suggesting that your performance would be anything but spectacular, in fact I wish you were going to be there doing it, it does sound great. It's just that it seems clear what the DMV's problem would be with licensing the vehicle you want to use.

I don't know if there's a way to get a permit for a mobile performance platform... it sounds like that's what you need, rather than a mutant vehicle permit.

[Technomania Circus]

Your're absolutely right Chef.
They are not absolutely right though and being wrong is not going to stop me however.
Why should I go around kissing their elevated LLC artdeciding fuckin ass?
Like there was never fucking art before Burning Man.
Like they fucking can decide. FUCK THAT, I have been increasingly tired over the years of the rules and regs which have blandardarized the product like milk. Or a rave.

I have grudgingly accepted the rules, abided and felt responsible in that I have done my do over the years...
I don't feel like doing that anyfuckingmore.
I have lost that feeling of cooperation.
The BM corporation heads forth into mainstream land as we need the masses to attend to pay for the needed needs of the LLC and their bungalow air conditioners and electric golf carts.

I will not meet their specifications, their rules, their ideas, I am not their artist.
Stick with the performance regulars that we've seen over and over through the years- Pepe, Xeno, Capacitor, Mutyator, yawn.....kinda sorry about that.
BUT so SCULPTURED AND BORING.
I like the small artists, the ones off the main streets, the ones with small crowds, the intimate interactions.

I so dislike asking for favors & I just don't do it.
It's like setting myself up again.
ANd I don't want to be fucking TURNED DOWN FUCKING AGAIN.
FUCK THAT. FUCK THEM.
I rather have it impounded.
MAKE EM CATCH ME< ya knows.
Make our camp ranger work.

Rather than e-sniveling & e-whining more, which I'm not bad at, I find e-yelling and e-ranting & e-creating e-playa scenarios feels better at this moment.
Who knows what I am capable of, even I know not.
I am now part of the noncaring bad burner club which can fuck up more than 1000 peeps can do good.
FUCK EM. FUCK ME. FUCK IT ALL.

Let's just leave this BIG ASS DUCK on the playa, they'll pick it up.
Now that I know it's ok I can do that too.

But all the energy that I have now is off based, misplaced, misspent and misused and fuck if I know what to do with it.
After all a large part of my art vision went down the fucking tube.
FUCK THEM FOR THAT.

Trying to come up with alternatives after squashed like a bug.
FUCK the FUCKING FUCKERS !!
I used to be a good burner. I cleaned up, I helped, I gave.
Participated in various functions, did the decomp for years.
FUCK THAT, what the fuck have they ever done for me except make my life more diffifuckingcult.
By THE FUCKING WAY
FUCKING LAST YEAR at the decomp our circus crew was supposed to get so many comps, like 5 0r 10 I forget but they FUCKED THat up so our accordionist DUCKMANDU (dead kennedys and all that stuff) was told he would have to pay teh $10 so he said FUCK IT & LEFT so we had no accordion player. WHO THE FUCK CARES, it's just THEM FUCKING UP MY PERFORMANCE ART AGAIN.
FUCKING BMORG.
FUCKING MAKING ARTISTS PAY TO PERFORM BASICALLY, FUCK THAT.

More tunnel vision and a narrower idea of that for sure keeping all within the village.
Now I want to be a bad burner. you know the kind.
The kind that FUCKS things up.

Throwing myself down this soulless black hole stems from decisionmakers who mandate standardization of mutant vehicles, what performances art and what exactly therefore an artist is.
YOU MUST NOT BE ABLE TO TELL WHAT THE BASE VEHICLE IS.
FUCK YOU.
29 paid artists who did the paperwork correctly to receive funding from Burning Man
I AM NOT ONE.
I AM NOT A MUTANT VEHICLE ARTIST
BUT sometimes I AM A DAMN GOOD INSTIGATOR.
and I am not done yet.

Playa going to be fun in a bad way this year.
BAD bURNER cLUB

[Wendor]

Wow, what a ridiculous spoiled child.

"If I can't have it my way I'm going to do everythign I can to ruin it for everyone else!"

"If the LLC won't do favors for me and my celebrity (give me a break) friends, then I'll try to ruin the event!"

Me thinks someone needs a time-out (until after the event shoudl be just long enough).

Go away Dr. Techno. You had some sympathy right up until you decided that trying to ruin everyone else's time was the way to makke your point.

Maybe you should just stay home.

[Bob]

My heart bleeds for you, TMC, really it does. Good friends of mine did an incredible car-based project years ago, Danger kept avoiding them, other rangers either also had some kind of grudge against them or stonewalled on Where's DangerWaldo?, and I ended up slipping them a DPW sticker. All legit, as I did the required paperwork and deputized them accordingly, but I was fully prepared to get a big "Fuck You" instead. I know Aaron the accordion guy through the same friends, and it is indeed a shame if ya'll's cornflakes have been urinated upon.

I can't really glean all the issues involved based on what I see in this thread, and while I'd lend support to the such-as-it-is DMV to make harsh decisions, I'd also think there'd half to be some time, place, and manner for you to do your thing, and that the DMV should do their best to help facilitate it. Not that I'd want to see Aaron relegated to Happy Hippie Hour in the Center Camp Cafe... what a pit.

[chefjuke]

Technomania,

Well, if that's the way you feel, that's the way you feel. I probably can't change that...but being the cock-eyed optimist I am, I will give it one more try.

Yep, there are more "rules" than there used to be. Yes, there is more bureaucracy than there used to be. Yes, in some ways Burning Man is a very different event than it used to be.

That being said...

It also is still a very amazing event that has a lot to offer. If it didn't, my guess is that this wouldn't matter so much to you.

BUT, at this point, you have a few choices:

You can choose to look at this as a totally fucked up, no-win situation and rant and rave and undermine in any way you can the efforts of those who love the event and put in a lot of work to help make it happen.

You can take one deep breath and just try one more time...and ask the folks at the Artery as was suggested. It may work out great. It may not, but isn't taking the time to send one short email worth avoiding a lot more headache?

You can also look at the whole Burning Man thing again, and if it is as bureaucrtically fucked up as you say...and that bothers you as much as you say...then you could get a bunch of your friends together and go somewhere else. Grow some funk of your own. Start your own event.

Really.

I mean, Burning Man did not start out as a 30,000 person event...it started with a lot fewer people....it doesn't take a big organization to get 100 people to go out to a desert somewhere and express themselves. So if Burning Man is THAT aggregious to you, then go start your own. It seems to me that that would HAVE to be better than going to Burning Man with the sole purpuse of screwing it up for others?

Personally, I would rather see you out on the playa performing. That's MY preference...but I fear that if you keep approaching this the way you have, that won't end up happening and you will end up just being frustrated further.

Peace.

[unjonharley]

Bob, I think it is to late for this guy. He has gone around the bend it appears. Tom Ridge bait.

It is plane to read others have tried to help him. But his head is to far up his ass.

He has wasted his time going to the DMV. His project is not in there scope. He should have spoken to the arts people.

It to late now. If the powers to be get down wind of this temper tantrum he my well end in jail.

Lets hope he gets his head out of his ass and wipes the shit off.

[Simply Joel]

Lets hope he gets his head out of his ass and wipes the shit off.

timely advice

[Bob]

Surly I've been as outraged about such things at Burning Man, or elsewhere. One I've found is that it helps to use fewer words, and more applied Leviticus.

And if the burnt sacrifice for his offering to the LORD be of fowls, then he shall bring his offering of turtledoves, or of young pigeons.
And the priest shall bring it unto the altar, and wring off his head, and burn it on the altar; and the blood thereof shall be wrung out at the side of the altar:
And he shall pluck away his crop with his feathers, and cast it beside the altar on the east part, by the place of the ashes:
And he shall cleave it with the wings thereof, but shall not divide it asunder: and the priest shall burn it upon the altar, upon the wood that is upon the fire: it is a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD.

In effigy, of course.

[Bob]

Damn that missing edit button.

The whole friggin thing needs a friggin edit friggin button, as it were.

[Badger]

Perhaps if I (or you) take my digital camera, take pictures of DMV stickers on approved vehicles, download and edit the pictures on de laptop/playa/printer I'm taking to make yes... a thousand DMV stickers.
To be handed out in masse.
Placing stickers on all vehicles that have any art at all on them, and if they don't I could just draw something out of the dust on it and call it art and call their vehicle mutated.
I think everyone should have a DMV sticker, yep.

Let me suggest this: When on occasion folks show up bearing forged tickets at the gate they don't get into the event.

Period.

There's no real interest in how they got the ticket(s) and quite frankly little judgement is made as to whether they were genuinely suckered by some huckster or decided to bullshit their way into the event. Fact is they don't get in.

If fake DMV stickers start showing up on the playa Rangers will find them. Bet the farm on this boy-o. Vehicles operating with forged DMV stickers will as a minimum be grounds for impoundment (as a minimum) and possibly ejection form the event (most likely) It won't be tolerated.

Seriously.

You think we're kidding? Give it a shot and see.

[Badger]

Now Technomania, back to your regularly scheduled hand wringing.

[Technomania Circus]

Wendor wrote" Wow, what a ridiculous spoiled child. "If I can't have it my way I'm going to do everythign I can to ruin it for everyone else!"
"If the LLC won't do favors for me and my celebrity (give me a break) friends, then I'll try to ruin the event!"
Me thinks someone needs a time-out (until after the event shoudl be just long enough).
Go away Dr. Techno. You had some sympathy right up until you decided that trying to ruin everyone else's time was the way to makke your point.
Maybe you should just stay home.

Hey, someone thinks I'm a celebrity. YEEHAW!
I'm a guessing passion scares you, W. And acting too. You see, what is happening here is eplaya-acting. Like a movie or a play. I am an actor. I am acting the part that I am really upset.
And if I had the power to fuck it up for everyone, glad to have scared you, we're playing Halloween now.
Acting out a fucking part. And if you get scared and think I have any fucking power at all WOW GReat. BUT I don't.
So I won't go away W, if my thread upsets you, you go away and stop reading this little spoiled kid's can't have my way or my art car so fuck it I'm ranting. THAT"S WHAT THIS THREAD IS, so you go away, this is my event AND MY EPLAYA RANT. Always will be.
I take responsibility for MY EVENT & I will rant and threaten and bellyache TIL MY FUCKING HEART'S CONTENT. Or you stop listening.
If you take me too seriously I'll add you to the LLC group that is not on my xmas shopping list.
IF not, however, and you happen to be wandering around the playa and see a blacklight alien puppet show walk right on past it's mine, you're not interested.
THE NEGATIVE SPACE PUPPETRY ASPECT WILL REMAIN IN CAMP, ON THE ESPLANADE, in our village.
I'll be pulling a small trailer 4x6 by hand out to the playa to do my fucking perforamance art. I'll be sweating but damn it's what I do.
Maybe 5 peeps will see it, maybe 10, it does not matter, but I will give the gift of surprise and smiles to those wandering eplaya souls.

It would have been nice to have some transpo for the gear and blacklights and inverter and suitcase of puppets but fuck it.
I was over it but now with reverse energy insults firing me up fuck it again. Even if you are right, W. Did you hear me say I am wrong.
I'm wrong, I'm barking up the wrong tree, etc.

If I am starting to sound like past bitter burners great, glad to get some sourpuss on you. Or stop reading this piss ant thread.

My smart & small alien friends (don't call them midgets)
Surly, Sassy, Alien Girl #34 have decided to go to the playa regardless of what the anti-artists or anybody else want.

But hey, the fake DMV stickers got ya going eh?
What would work better is just DPW stickers though.
Now that I spilled all my marbles, if I was seriously would I be spouting like this?

You never know what you'll get out of a burner, hope to surprise you.

[Badger]

But hey, the fake DMV stickers got ya going eh?
What would work better is just DPW stickers though.
Now that I spilled all my marbles, if I was seriously would I be spouting like this?

Given your prior posts I'd not be surprised if you posted your med history.

[Stormy]

Wow, just trying to wade my way through this for the first time. Might I make a suggestion? If you were to post the pics and application that you submitted to the DMV, perhaps others here (especially the DMV Hottie who replied) could give you some suggestions on how you might get your permit approved the next time around.

As far as I can tell, you haven't posted those pics yet so it's hard for anyone to judge. Your descriptions here are very unclear to me. The advantages of using clear descriptions, good grammar and syntax are that your intentions have a better change of getting across to your reader. Perhaps a little repackaging of the application are all that is needed to get the current vehicle approved.

[Wendor]

Hey, someone thinks I'm a celebrity.

Nope. Not at all.

YOU whined about how your celebrity friend accordian player didn't get special treatment and that you were pissed off about it.

What the heck ever made you think that he should have gotten any special treatment in the first place? I say GREAT! If he doesn't want to pay the $10 admission fee like everyone else, then he can go elsewhere and good riddance.

As a matter of fact serval places in your rant boiled down to you wanting special consideration different from what everone else gets and/or special rules for you.

I am an actor.

Nope. Just an insufferable jerk who has pretty much ruined any chance of ever getting any consideration in the future.

My sincerest hope is that the DMV (and the org itself) keep good track of you and make sure that anything you ever apply for gets rejected on the grounds of "we reserve the right to refuse service to complete assholes".

My smart & small alien friends (don't call them midgets)
Surly, Sassy, Alien Girl #34 have decided to go to the playa regardless of what the anti-artists or anybody else want.

No anti-artists involved at all. Just "anti-fools". (Guess you could even call it "anti-Dr. Techno" now)

But hey, the fake DMV stickers got ya going eh?

Nope. All they ever would have been was a quick way to get OTHERS kicked out of the event. So pretty much just a way to show that you care nothing about anyone else but yourself and that you cared not one whit about who you hurt in trying to get your way. (fake DPW stickers would fall into the same category too)

[Wendor]

Might I make a suggestion? If you were to post the pics and application that you submitted to the DMV, perhaps others here (especially the DMV Hottie who replied) could give you some suggestions on how you might get your permit approved the next time around.

A good suggestion in general, but unlikely to help here.

You see, the bottom line is that what he has is just a mobile stage and mobile stages by themselves are not mutant vehicles.

So the only real suggestion for how to get a permit the next time around would probably be "actually have a mutant vehicle if you want a mutant vehicle permit".

[theCryptofishist]

(don't call them midgets)

Okay, it's just me. But I am waiting for this community to get radicalized and reclaim the term "midget" ala queer. "Little People" is just too cutsey and circumlocutious for my taste. Makes it seem like they have something to hide--so get in our face already.

But it's not my community. Unless we go with the bearded lady circus freak thing. . .

[Technomania Circus]

Wendor, thanks for jumping in, you suck.
You wrong also. Grammar bad, syntax worse, spelling flunked.

I stated my accordionist didn't get in when WE WERE TOLD WE WOULD HAVE THIS MANY COMPS.
If an agreement is made but then not fulfilled by one side, WTF?
I consider that a contract in which I got only mildly fucked, it was only freakin $10, the only one who ever knew about it was duckmandu...so if I can't put my passing bitch here without being celebrity flame fucked fuck you too asshole, you don't belong on the playa. Stay the fuck home.

In fact rather than stay off the playa, I'll just get the fuck off the eplaya so you can rant at me ALL YOU FUCKING WANT!
TO YOUR HEART"S DESIRE!!
But I won't hear you cuz I'm gone from the eplaya, I do not need to hear your shit responses.

Besides my dates for personal completion states this week is the week for recording the various alien voices and completing the UFO. I am stickin to that but just had to have a little whining catharsis, which on a bit longer that anticipated. Your response & comments are bullshit so I've just plain gotta go, can't get stuck in your muckety muck.

I damn hope you are not in the medical field, you and your sympathy.

So I bitched and whined, however you are not the one I am bitching and whining to specifically so butt the fuck out symapthetic asshole.
Go find another thread to harass.
What the fuck are you doing here anyway?
Do you always just pipe in with your positives?
It was just a side bitch that you got your big ass nose into.
Rubbing it in is easy to do apparently from your never done nothing wrong never argued with nobody in your perfectionist law abiding chair.

I know I am wrong, do I need to say that again?
My vehicle was not mutant enough for the criteria which they established but does that make it right? FUCK no.
BERATE ME FUCKING AGAIN.

MAYBE THEY WILL MAKE ME WHERE A GIANT RED FLAG ON MY HEAD because I'm soo badd badd badddddddd......
But I have a been edumucated and I is a learning.

By the way, what the fuck have you done lately on the playa?
Are you a big celebrity yourself?
YOU smell like a lookyloo.

And your such the diplomatic approach I needed, as let's make the shit worse.
I was about to get off this rant, but here you come, thank you.
You seem to be good at escalating things, are you a fuckin public service worker?
Hey, maybe my misspent misplaced anger has somewhere to go now.
Like my life.
FUck you. Did you get that straight?
Still got playa in your ears maybe?
Perhaps filtrated to the brain.
Ooh, this & I am deteriorating. Thanks fellow burner.
Second or third year, I suppose.

But seriously now off the flame, thanks to those that have written & replied with an ounce of concern & possible options, including DMVers.
I have emailed the Artery about possible performance permit.
Whether or not is given, it's time to kill it & this thread as assholes like wendor have pissed me off the last time.
I will not return to this eplaya, for me I will have the last word.
None of you really care anyway, it's my personal thing.

BUT IF you want the results of whether i got permitted and you REALLY want to know, just email me at technomaniacircus at yahoo
I will respond in a pleasant manner as this is my usual nature.
Not the bitch whiner kill BM brat that wendor regards me as.

It's just that I have IED, intermittent explosive disorder, and I can't afford my meds right now and well, the psych unit at general is full.
I know not what I do, but sometimes I feel when pushed, that I shall push back to the limit. Sometimes past that limit and certainly my judgement is not clear but full of emotion, passion and misplaced energy.

A simple mission I had in life to entertain and to feel fulfillment has turned into fuck all & FU.
Where's my medicinals?
Goodbye EPLAYA.
Dr Techno

one last story about frog pond before I go...
something that someone might find humorous....

Did you know that Donald trump was about to buy the land above frog pond and build condos to look down on the playa? Well, he was about to but the red tailed endangered frog of frog pond stopped him. He couldn't build because of the little creature endangered status after putting all the $ into place.
But as in all things with life, all is related. And when this frog was saved, so was all of mankind. Because the red tailed frog pond frog ate a rare butterfly, called the "Spontaneous O" butterfly. And when the frog ate the butterfly, 2 soulmates on earth would have a special moment. And in the scheme of life, if this special moment would have become extinct, if the land was to be condo'ed over, sooner or later all of mankind would have become extinct too.
Because without that special moment that occurs when that frog eats that butterfly.....do you think we'd go through all just for reproductive purposes? No.
Frog pond has indeed saved mankind.

cyaondeplaya

[Wendor]

Wendor, thanks for jumping in, you suck.
You wrong also. Grammar bad, syntax worse, spelling flunked.

Wow, someone with YOUR spelling, grammar, and syntax is actually trying to criticize someone else on those topics? Pretty unbelievable and pathetic. (of course I have come to expect no less from you)

I stated my accordionist didn't get in when WE WERE TOLD WE WOULD HAVE THIS MANY COMPS.

So what? With that many people they made a slight mistake. But rather than paying the $10 and then getting it straightened out later with a refund the choice was to throw a fit about it and rant about not getting special treatment. Again, pretty sad.

In fact rather than stay off the playa, I'll just get the fuck off the eplaya so you can rant at me ALL YOU FUCKING WANT!
TO YOUR HEART"S DESIRE!!
But I won't hear you cuz I'm gone from the eplaya, I do not need to hear your shit responses.

Wow, you can rant and rave and tell everyone else how wrong they are but only want sweetness and light in return? Then perhaps staying away is the best course of action for you.

I know I am wrong, do I need to say that again?
My vehicle was not mutant enough for the criteria which they established but does that make it right? FUCK no.

Actually it makes it 100% right.

It is no differtent than if you showed up at the normal DMV with a chicken and said "I want to register this car and get a license plate for it". It would not be wrong of them to refuse to humor your delusions. Same thing in this case. The DMV is completely right to refuse to humor you and you delusions regarding your vehicle.

I have emailed the Artery about possible performance permit.

At this point all I can say is that I hope that they refuse your request. I think that your attitude towards the event, your fellow burners, and the staff is sufficient justification to say "No thank you, we'd rather not have to deal with you"

I will respond in a pleasant manner as this is my usual nature.
Not the bitch whiner kill BM brat that wendor regards me as.

I'd say that since you have yet to have made a rational, coherent, or pleasent post at all the odds of you being able to do so later on are pretty slim.

It's just that I have IED, intermittent explosive disorder, and I can't afford my meds right now and well, the psych unit at general is full.
I know not what I do, but sometimes I feel when pushed, that I shall push back to the limit. Sometimes past that limit and certainly my judgement is not clear but full of emotion, passion and misplaced energy.

If this is true (and not just more of your "acting") then it is YOUR responsibility to avoid interactions that you are physically unable to handle or cope with until you have again reached a point where your reactions can be controlled.

[Simply Joel]

and this is about the time when we (everyone tired of this silliness) prays for divine intervention from the admin folks...

stop this thread before it spawns another...

[Wendor]

It's just that I have IED, intermittent explosive disorder, and I can't afford my meds right now and well, the psych unit at general is full.
I know not what I do, but sometimes I feel when pushed, that I shall push back to the limit. Sometimes past that limit and certainly my judgement is not clear but full of emotion, passion and misplaced energy.

Oh, and lest I forget, do we even need to dicuss the sheer idiocy of you stating that you have a disorder that makes you react in an uncontrollable emothinal manner, yet you specifically want a permit to operate a motor vehicle in crowded conditions on the playa?

So what happens to the pedestrian who happens to piss you off while you are driving?

For that matter what are you doing even driving to the playa without medication? If you kill someone with your vehicle along the way is everyone supposed to just feel sorry for you and say "It isn't his fault, it's a medical condition".

Here's to hoping that someone ELSE drives you to the playa and that you are not allowed to operate ANY motor vehicle on the playa under ANY conditions unless you have your disorder under control.