Baby at BM, experience? preparation? what? where?

[Elderberry]

So, is English your second language?

[Turnip]

just stop thinking about ppl who wanna make party on drugs and alc and walking around everywhere without carying where they r, no sleep for the whole week etc. i didn't do that last year and it is very different.

actually no one at all is implying that you are going to be like that.
That is a WHOLE NEW level of irresponsibility that we don''t even have to touch on.


We're telling you that even under ideal conditions, it will be dangerous for your baby and it's entirely selfish of your to risk her safety.

[Shpilkus]

I've seen people here offer their most sincere and thoughtful advice to you. Please read this thread again and reconsider your trip to BRC this year. Sometimes the desire to go can be so overwhelming that your decisions may be clouded.

I know you really don't want to miss this and that it's very important to you, but if you're not going to have a good time, and the baby will be in serious distress, then please try to fight the urge to go this year.

We are really your friends here offering this advice to you. PLEASE think this through---PLEASE!

Shpilkus

[essjay]

We're telling you that even under ideal conditions, it will be dangerous for your baby and it's entirely selfish of your to risk her safety.

+1

[some seeing eye]

Hi BabyRocks - you might give some thought to the differences between your last year's BM experience and your traveling experiences, pregnant, and now with your daughter. I think at BM, traveling and even at other festivals everyone is excited and supportive of pregnant moms. And I think traveling most places and at most festivals people you meet are excited and supportive of small children. Message boards are their own thing, but I'm not sure if you will get the same warm reaction this year from probably absolutely everyone on the playa as last year. But there are different West Coast festivals going on this month and in September that might be quite chill. Hahaha you are right, though, I have never brought a 9month old daughter to BM on my own.

[aknod]

We're telling you that even under ideal conditions, it will be dangerous for your baby and it's entirely selfish of your to risk her safety.

+1

Darwin'll fix it. That guy always wins.

[trilobyte]

Some ideas are just bad even if you don't drink, do drugs, go out all night, and all that nonsense. This is one of those monumentally bad ideas. You seem committed to it, though, so good luck.

[robrob]

what's the quote? oh yeah

"We are not here to keep people from being stupid. Once they are stupid, we will pick up the pieces."

[BBadger]

BabyRocks, were you drunk when you wrote most of those messages? It sounds like you're just rambling with every idea that comes to your head, and typing it into a damn phone to post the message.

And is this your first child? It doesn't sound like you have much experience with babies or children. You're carrying around your kid to random events like it's an accessory. Are you at your parents' house or something? How do you maintain this lifestyle as a single parent? You have a fucking kid-- no make that a fucking infant--under your control now. She can't walk (thank the hells). She can't talk. You don't even know how to make her drink more water outside of breastfeeding (hint: breastfeed her more because you don't want her to have an electrolyte imbalance, and make sure that you are well hydrated and nourished so you're not bone dry).

For fuck sakes, show some fucking responsibility.

Don't just go to BM because one of your clown friends "hooked" you again. You know what? They're childless, probably single, and probably going to drop out of college before they even change their status from "undecided" or "pre-med" (AKA trying-to-impress-you-undecided). They know jack shit as you've already stated. So why the FUCK are you even taking any of their advice? Really, are you a child? Are you even old enough to drink? Don't you realize that BM is one of the most hellish places on earth unless you have brought along tons of supplies to keep yourself going? That people look miserable with their kids at camp because managing an infant is a pain in the ass for two people, let alone a single mother?

This is ridiculous. Why even put yourself through this hassle? "I'm not rich as a single mom" you say. Well shit, why are you going on an expensive trip to the middle of a desert? Why go to BM when you will need to be monitoring your child all the time without any of the conveniences of a home? Think diaper rash is bad at home? Think about having to deal with that shit in a fucking desert with no running water. I hope you have your diaper compressor on hand, because nobody is going to be happy to smell that feculance wafting through the camp.

Maybe all this is just to remove your offspring from the gene pool. Maybe this trip is just one big life lesson so that you learn some common sense. You know, the kind that some only learn from touching a hot burner after being told not to.

I just hope you're not staying at my camp, or some camp nearby. I don't want to hear the crying. I don't want to smell the shit. I don't want to smell the corpse.

Do us all a favor and skip this year. This is not for you, and more importantly, not for your infant.

[Sham]

This reminds of a young woman that I worked with a while back named Melody. Whenever there was an important decision to be made, she ALWAYS got it wrong. It seemed almost instinct on her part to head for trouble. No matter how hard her co-workers begged her to listen to reason, it was really no use. Melody's urge to take the wrong fork in the road every time was insurmountable. It would have been cruel to say "I told you so" to her, but it was always there.

I feel that I know the views of BabyRocks from my experiences dealing with Melody. I know that she is going to make plans to go no matter how hard we try to talk her out of it. The wrong fork in the road here leads to BRC, but I hope that the baby is not injured, has permanent health issues or worse, from mom's selfish decision.

Party on BabyRocks!

[Sic Pup]

Better there than in the unfortunate child.

[junglesmacks]

[DragginLady]

The thought of missing Burning Man is difficult....
The thought of bringing this little baby out there with so little support system is MUCH worse!!
The damage to those little lungs could scar this baby for life, causing various breathing difficulties
that are difficult or impossible to cure.

When one becomes a parent, one's own desires often take the back seat to what is best for the child.
I hope you give VERY serious thought to NOT exposing your baby to this climate.

[Drawingablank]

About the OP:

1. Based on her replies, she appears to be able to rationalize anything. Seriously, after all the negative replies here how could you even consider exposing an 8 month old to the playa with little or no support system in place.

2. She appears to be one of those people who will only listen to advice that agrees with what she wanted to hear anyway.

Either way, I don't think anything we say here will make a bit of difference.

[junglesmacks]

Either way, I don't think anything we say here will make a bit of difference.

+1

This is a dead horse already.

[theCryptofishist]

*s8gh*

[BabyRocks]

i know how to raise a baby, like i said, she is better developed and happir and relaxed than most of the ones who never are brought anywhere, so thats just bad assumtion.

and what is with all the people who brought there kids and said it was good for them too?

it would make a difference, the helpful and writings who are wrote with knowledge and not just assumptions and non knowledge.

i also askd two docs who know me, both said its ok.

[Savannah]

and what is with all the people who brought there kids and said it was good for them too?

Why aren't you messaging and emailing "all those people" you know of who brought their kids, then?

You have our opinions already.

[Bob]

Speaking for myself, I rarely reply to emails off the eplaya, especially when the thread pretty much covers my thoughts.

And as has been said, the OP seems to be doing some heavy editing of what's been posted here, eg I never suggested that bringing an infant was a good idea or not. The red flag for me is that the OP seems to be asking permission. As the Rangers are fond of saying (amongst themselves), we're not your mommies. Frankly, this applies to 90% of the entire cache of Q&A queries, but asking permission to glue some rotten billboard material together, or bring a $3000 bicycle, puts a bit less at stake compared to bringing an 8-mo-old across the country to the desert wilderness with minimal resources.

[Bob]

.dp

[BabyRocks]

what i got:

Re: Baby on the playa

> but one had a bit good advise like a little baby pool etc.

Haha-- is this a joke? Or a troll?

Seriously, a baby pool is the last thing you want there. You'd end up with a
little mud caked baby. Unless that's the point? Some kind of hippy sunscreen.

I didn't read much the linked thread. The problem is that I can see where
everyone is coming from.

An idiotic parent is dangerous to their child anywhere. I've seen babies left in
cars while Dad and Grandpa go shopping. Or Mom's who overlook their boyfriends
molesting the children. Or drug addicted parents who can't lift a finger to make
their children lunch.

So yes, we can all agree that bad parents are very dangerous to children.

But, to me... Saying that Burning Man is dangerous is... way overblown. I think
some people like to imagine that it's dangerous so that they can think of
themselves as rolly polly rough and tumble people.

But it really is as dangerous as camping in the desert. Which is very dangerous,
for some people. I like Germans, but in Death Valley many of them seem to have a
problem with the whole "drink water while hiking miles across the desert" idea
and commit Darwinian suicide way too often. Last month a church group at
Yosemite thought that the top of a waterfall makes for a great wading pool.

We can of course give you advice and perspective. Our perspective is different
from the thread on eplaya. But I none of us online folks can tell you if you are
dangerous to your child.

[Mojojita]

From your last post, it is completely obvious that you have heard only what you want to hear. The sad thing is that this is only the beginning of years of selfish parental behavior that your child is going to have to grow up with.

[BabyRocks]

because so far only ppl told me they met some of them and only 3 who brought them wrote so fae

[rodiponer]

Ok, that was me, that you cut and pasted from the Kidsville list and posted on Eplaya. That feels a little rude, but se la vis.

I've now read the entire thread here.

And I am a parent.

And this will be my third year in Kidsville with my kids.

And, really, I am completely certain that you should not bring your baby.

[Roberto Dobbisano]

even the people who have given you the benefit of the doubt are beginning to question your purpose here.

either you are a clever troll, in which case, Bravo, well played...if not, then you are indeed fishing in a mud puddle for confirmation that what you plan on doing is ok.

alot of serious well thought responses were given to you.

take them, or leave them, it is your choice.

this forum will probably not provide you with what you need, since you have long outworn your welcome.

good luck on whatever you decide if you are legit,

if not, damn, that was some tasty bait you cooked up and it sure got eaten up.

[Mojojita]

Ok, since you are questioning the "experience" of the people trying to give you good advice, here's mine: I am a 13 year burner and volunteer with the ORG. I have 2 sons who were not only well nurtured by a single mom but went to UCLA. I spent many years as a Child Protective Service Worker and my current law firm has represented many single parents faced with actions to remove their children for a variety of reasons.

Many of the people who have responded negatively to your posts have so very much experience and COMMON SENSE that I would choose them to stand shoulder to shoulder with during the apocalypse.

[Mojojita]

because so far only ppl told me they met some of them and only 3 who brought them wrote so fae

There is a good reason that so few people have brought infants to the playa. Same reason most parents get to keep their kids.

[Bob]

[much2naughty2]

You know hen the BMORg tells you not to bring you pets because the conditions are to harsh and it's cuel on the animal, perhaps you might insert baby instead of pet and read again. Shambala had it exactly right. Sometimes when you're a parent, it just isn't about you anymore. Stay home!

[Boijoy]

So Babyrocks, Do you have a couple tickets for sale then??