Snark Here, not at the Newbs.

[FIGJAM]

Another one for the angry ticket people....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lplze3ONJWo

I thought that Billy Joel had stolen this fine Styx song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtzIWPeun7c

Mr. Joel released the "turnstiles album" in 1976, a year before the styx song came out.

[Foxfur]

I really wanna post something but I won't...

[gaminwench]

DO IT!!!

[MyDearFriend]

Well if you won't Foxy then I will.

SOP, I love you man but, speaking here as a 1000% Womanly Woman and Married Mother, I find no trace of anti-breeder misogyny in JKisha's posts, and I have real good radar for that. Having never been to BRC myself, I did not think my opinion was needed in that "bring my baby?" thread, but, I agree with JK and with DAB on the whole Darwin thing she's got going there. Geez. Stupidity is the only crime that is always punished. Poor kid, either way...

[Simon of the Playa]

we agree to disagree then.


i calls them as i sees them, and thats what i saw, and it needed addressing.


i will not hold my tongue to adhere to some PC notion that certain groups or affiliations are above critique.


i stand by what i said.

[theCryptofishist]

Here we have one of those horrible wars of multiple, contradictory truths in action.
1--We live on an over-populated planet, which is driving us all closer to doom (and I'm not talking about the fun, Kernel Kilbuck kind).
2--Children are a joy and a delight and being a parent warms and opens your heart in ways you never anticipated.
3--Not everyone loves everyone else's kid.
4--Not everyone is a fit parent, and no one is 100%.

I don't know if jk hates women. I don't get that vibe.
crud, I can't think of what to say that will "fix" this. As far as I can see, it's not "fixable." I respect both parties, and don't want to see this continue, but maybe the best I can do is ask for mutual plonking.

*sigh*

[Simon of the Playa]

in deference to the fish, i shall cease and desist, or at least hold my tongue.

i will speak no more on this issue.

[Elderberry]

I don't. Your vibe is correct. I'm not sure where SOP picked that up, but he's been nursing it for awhile now. I found out he blocked me on the old board for being anti-breeder or anti-women or something. My comments on that girl bringing her baby would have been the same had it been a single father. I really didn't think you needed me to defend myself, but I wanted to make sure you had no misconceptions. I have lots of faults, but woman-hater is certainly not one of them. (The truth be told, I don't get along all that well with some lesbians. )

Here we have one of those horrible wars of multiple, contradictory truths in action.
1--We live on an over-populated planet, which is driving us all closer to doom (and I'm not talking about the fun, Kernel Kilbuck kind).
2--Children are a joy and a delight and being a parent warms and opens your heart in ways you never anticipated.
3--Not everyone loves everyone else's kid.
4--Not everyone is a fit parent, and no one is 100%.

I don't know if jk hates women. I don't get that vibe.
crud, I can't think of what to say that will "fix" this. As far as I can see, it's not "fixable." I respect both parties, and don't want to see this continue, but maybe the best I can do is ask for mutual plonking.

*sigh*

[Dr Jet Sinister]

A baby at burning man is a dangerous idea. To expose an infant to the dust is irresponsible and abusive. Not to mention exposing the rest of us to her baby is also horribly rude. I'd rather see a gang of shirtcockers every day than a baby in that environment.

[theCryptofishist]

I don't think anyone is advocating taking a baby out there, in this thread at least, Dr. Jet.

[Lassen Forge]

Add to that she sounds about as mature as my daughter was at about 14. I hope to hell she listens and leaves her kid at home - I don't wanna be the dispatcher on duty getting the call for a code on an 8 M/O...

[Dr Jet Sinister]

I don't think anyone is advocating taking a baby out there, in this thread at least, Dr. Jet.

I understand that. The point was it upsets people to even think about it, so having some aggro towards her is reactionary instead of habitual. Personally, I called her all kinds of horrible names that people would associate with any misogynist and I don't believe that's made me anti-woman or anti-breeder at all. Perhaps it's just that time of the year, when all of us are a little tightly wound.

[theCryptofishist]

I don't think anyone is advocating taking a baby out there, in this thread at least, Dr. Jet.

I understand that. The point was it upsets people to even think about it, so having some aggro towards her is reactionary instead of habitual. Personally, I called her all kinds of horrible names that people would associate with any misogynist and I don't believe that's made me anti-woman or anti-breeder at all. Perhaps it's just that time of the year, when all of us are a little tightly wound.

I agree about the aggro. Sorry I misunderstood.

[Dr Jet Sinister]

I don't think anyone is advocating taking a baby out there, in this thread at least, Dr. Jet.

I understand that. The point was it upsets people to even think about it, so having some aggro towards her is reactionary instead of habitual. Personally, I called her all kinds of horrible names that people would associate with any misogynist and I don't believe that's made me anti-woman or anti-breeder at all. Perhaps it's just that time of the year, when all of us are a little tightly wound.

I agree about the aggro. Sorry I misunderstood.

No apologies needed. I just wanted to rant about stupid. I should have made my intent more transparent.

[Elderberry]

Are you sure? You better ask SOP about that.

I don't think anyone is advocating taking a baby out there, in this thread at least, Dr. Jet.

I understand that. The point was it upsets people to even think about it, so having some aggro towards her is reactionary instead of habitual. Personally, I called her all kinds of horrible names that people would associate with any misogynist and I don't believe that's made me anti-woman or anti-breeder at all. Perhaps it's just that time of the year, when all of us are a little tightly wound.

[Dr Jet Sinister]

I'm sure if I step far enough out of line he'll let me know.
I don't believe you were being anti-gender at all, just anti-stupid. As for any past remarks, I have no way of judging that. Like I said, we are all wound a little tight at the moment.

Are you sure? You better ask SOP about that.

I don't think anyone is advocating taking a baby out there, in this thread at least, Dr. Jet.

I understand that. The point was it upsets people to even think about it, so having some aggro towards her is reactionary instead of habitual. Personally, I called her all kinds of horrible names that people would associate with any misogynist and I don't believe that's made me anti-woman or anti-breeder at all. Perhaps it's just that time of the year, when all of us are a little tightly wound.

[Elderberry]

I try to be an equal opportunity offender.

I'm sure if I step far enough out of line he'll let me know.
I don't believe you were being anti-gender at all, just anti-stupid. As for any past remarks, I have no way of judging that. Like I said, we are all wound a little tight at the moment.

[MisaBlue]

She's an uneducated, single mother, most likely getting some sort of financial assistance, most likely a hippie. The kid is six or eight months old and has never had a meal that didn't come from mommies tit? Shell probably be breast feeding it till it's five! Let her bring it, the gene pool needs filtered from time to time, better now than after it grows up and gets on the government tit.

I dont want to pour fuel into the fire, but here are my two cents.

When I first read JKs post, I was very surprised about what is marked in colour. Surprised in negative way, because I felt this is very but very nasty. I dont know if this is the part which get SOP angry and I wont speak for him, because he can speak for himself.
After the first moment, when I wanted to write something not nice in answer, I just realized how tricky internet is and how some things can be misunderstood or misinterpreted. And I dont have feeling JK would be gay antiwoman evil so I just assume I am over reacting and understand this in other meaning that it was actually meant.
Hope this make some sense

It is not about this particular women, I think she is dumbo...and I think if you wanna bring such a small baby, you really have to have good equipment and be the hell responsible and prepared it will totally be all about the baby and that it also can have impact on others...

[illy dilly]

O man, look at this one!
PRICELESS!!!

He'll even trade you a Van Gogh look a like!

Very Unique Story

Can you believe it? An unemployed painter! Truly one of a kind!

[Dr Jet Sinister]

That has to be a troll.

[MyDearFriend]

She's an uneducated, single mother, most likely getting some sort of financial assistance, most likely a hippie. The kid is six or eight months old and has never had a meal that didn't come from mommies tit? Shell probably be breast feeding it till it's five! Let her bring it, the gene pool needs filtered from time to time, better now than after it grows up and gets on the government tit.

I dont want to pour fuel into the fire, but here are my two cents.

When I first read JKs post, I was very surprised about what is marked in colour. Surprised in negative way, because I felt this is very but very nasty. I dont know if this is the part which get SOP angry and I wont speak for him, because he can speak for himself.
After the first moment, when I wanted to write something not nice in answer, I just realized how tricky internet is and how some things can be misunderstood or misinterpreted. And I dont have feeling JK would be gay antiwoman evil so I just assume I am over reacting and understand this in other meaning that it was actually meant.
Hope this make some sense

It is not about this particular women, I think she is dumbo...and I think if you wanna bring such a small baby, you really have to have good equipment and be the hell responsible and prepared it will totally be all about the baby and that it also can have impact on others...

Oh Misa, I don't think JK needs white-knighting at all but there are actually way too many women in this country who pig-headedly decline to introduce foods at the proper time and also, decline to wean from the breast until the child goes to school. Single mothers seems particularly prone to this type of enmeshment. This is a seriously fucked up way to raise a child and, it really sounds like this mom is going down that road.

Seriously, this babe is missing out on food and missing her developmental challenges if she is 100% breast fed still at 8 months. JK is very well-informed for someone who supposedly hates breeders.

[Elderberry]

Actually I can appreciate your reaction to that comment. It wasn't meant to be nice, so let's get that out of the way up front. But I meant it in the sense of "in the United States most mothers want to get the kid off the breast and onto the bottle as quickly as possible and are usually starting to feed them other foods as soon as they can". My implication being that she nursed way longer than the average mother in this country and in turn, the conclusion was "she must be some sort of hippie". I have nothing against breast feeding, in fact I actually believe it better to nurse up until the baby is two for many reasons, it just doesn't happen here. Last I read on this, many other countries nurse much longer...some over six years or more! Now I do find that a bit weird. So, sorry if my remark was either taken differently as it was meant or if you found it offensive.

She's an uneducated, single mother, most likely getting some sort of financial assistance, most likely a hippie. The kid is six or eight months old and has never had a meal that didn't come from mommies tit? Shell probably be breast feeding it till it's five! Let her bring it, the gene pool needs filtered from time to time, better now than after it grows up and gets on the government tit.

I dont want to pour fuel into the fire, but here are my two cents.

When I first read JKs post, I was very surprised about what is marked in colour. Surprised in negative way, because I felt this is very but very nasty. I dont know if this is the part which get SOP angry and I wont speak for him, because he can speak for himself.
After the first moment, when I wanted to write something not nice in answer, I just realized how tricky internet is and how some things can be misunderstood or misinterpreted. And I dont have feeling JK would be gay antiwoman evil so I just assume I am over reacting and understand this in other meaning that it was actually meant.
Hope this make some sense

It is not about this particular women, I think she is dumbo...and I think if you wanna bring such a small baby, you really have to have good equipment and be the hell responsible and prepared it will totally be all about the baby and that it also can have impact on others...

[Isotopia]

john, this is why we dont let vicious anti-breeder homosexuals like you run social services.

your assumptions and snide comments, if in fact are what you indeed feel, and are not some snark put up to provoke, are fucking disgusting.

boy, talk about putting the B in Bitchy...

So Simon, what with your own pretentious outrage and hypocritical indignation I'm assuming you'll ante up and pay for the Clueless One's ticket and her on-playa child care?

[Elderberry]

Iso, where have you been! Missed you here. Going to the burn this year?

[MisaBlue]

Actually I can appreciate your reaction to that comment. It wasn't meant to be nice, so let's get that out of the way up front. But I meant it in the sense of "in the United States most mothers want to get the kid off the breast and onto the bottle as quickly as possible and are usually starting to feed them other foods as soon as they can". My implication being that she nursed way longer than the average mother in this country and in turn, the conclusion was "she must be some sort of hippie". I have nothing against breast feeding, in fact I actually believe it better to nurse up until the baby is two for many reasons, it just doesn't happen here. Last I read on this, many other countries nurse much longer...some over six years or more! Now I do find that a bit weird. So, sorry if my remark was either taken differently as it was meant or if you found it offensive.

See, that is what I meant! I just read it from completely different side...
(and JK, I have the same opinion about breast feeding up to two years )

[Simon of the Playa]

i said i would speak no more on the subject, and instead will again plonk Kisha.


there....much better....

[illy dilly]

That has to be a troll.

Thank you very much Dr. Sinister!
Could likely be a troll!

Now if everyone else would please realize, we all agree that young girl should not be bringing her child to BRC. And we all know that semantics and undertones that are clear during physical communication get lost on the inter-web, so lets move on already!
And get back to what really maters, TALKING SHIT ABOUT IDIOT POSTERS!

[OregonRed]

Raw food chef? REALLY?!?

[illy dilly]

I will be sharing many raw vegan fusion meals

Is that even a real thing?
Aren't most vegan meals raw?
Or is a raw vegan meal just some carrots and ranch dressing?

[OregonRed]

I will be sharing many raw vegan fusion meals

Is that even a real thing?
Aren't most vegan meals raw?
Or is a raw vegan meal just some carrots and ranch dressing?

Ranch dressing is not vegan... Just sayin'

It would be far more entertaining if he were just serving raw vegans*...




*No offense meant to my vegan friends