dropping out

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Re: dropping out

Post by theCryptofishist » Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:43 pm

jaytro4 wrote:and one or two every year (out of a class of about 90) always ended up having a mental breakdown after high school.
Really, I think most high schools have a much higher rate than 2% breakdown soon after graduation. Being 18 is hell.

(And based on that post by jaytro4, the pertinent song is "White Punks on Dope".)
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Re: dropping out

Post by jaytro4 » Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:53 am

BBadger wrote:BM only gives the semblance of complete altruism. At its core, however, the altruistic BM experience is only possible because virtually everything is paid for in advance so there's rarely much that connects one's current action with "cost," time or money.

Jaytro4, nobody goes "off grid" except children and elderly who are provided for by their guardians. They live in a surreal "bliss" of amusement, which has no real value. They could disappear with little loss, even to themselves. If you want peace--if you want value in your life--you need to seek out value through exertion and accomplishment, in order to appreciate what you have and be content with it. Sadly, it seems you've been a child your whole life. It's time to leave the cradle. Maybe then you'll come to terms with what you really want out of life.
ok, I'm having a really hard time agreeing with or listening to anything you say because you're coming across as one of the most condescending posters in this forum... I haven't lived at home for the past 3 years, i haven't asked my parents (or anyone) for money for the past 8 years, and I've accomplished enough in my life that people who know me respect me. you don't know me. Just because I want to live a low impact lifestyle that is alternative to the choices you've made doesn't mean that i'm "a child" or that I need to "come to terms" with anything. I'm not looking for amusement, if I was, I'd go buy an ipad. How the hell could living outside of society be easier than living in it?! If it was, a lot more people would do it.
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Re: dropping out

Post by Rabbi Dali Rick » Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:57 am

I currently live offgrid up in the mountains of So. Cali, I come into town only to work and take care of business. Just because I live outside of the norm, I still enjoy a mormal style life, I have a computer with a mifi card, two 35' motorhomes, and i own my land (buying). I would defiantly recommend it to anyone who was fed up with thescocietyas a whole. You are not in some remote place, but remote enough that you don't normally see anyone you don't too. With the advent of the Internet it is easy to find a niche where you can be self supporting.


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Re: dropping out

Post by A Jester » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:53 am

jaytro4 wrote:. I haven't lived at home for the past 3 years
Gotcha. keep plugging away at your career and ask again in a few more years.

Also, just because no one else has posted it, I'm going to drop the "Don't divorce your parakeet" bit of wisdom. I think it's from last year, but with these kind of forwards, who knows....

> from Arctic Monkey on the NY Burners guide:
>
> ====================================
>> The Arctic Monkey's Post-Playa Decompression Guide
>>
>> In the interest of helping give a concise, helpful, guided re-entry
>> into civilization after being at Burning Man, I wrote down a series of
>> rules for Radical Re-Entry. After seeing four email threads flare up
>> and two potential life-changing events start up with various friends
>> over the years, here's the short version:
>>
>> Monkey Re-Entry Rule Number 1:
>> Wait three weeks before you make any life-changing decisions.
>>
>> But let me change that up a bit so it makes more sense.
>>
>> When returning from the playa, you will be hot, dusty, tired,
>> exhausted. Your body will have undergone immense stress, and if you
>> live in a vastly different environment, your body will likely react by
>> getting a cold (especially if you kissed anyone at the Space Froggie
>> Free Kissing Booth).
>>
>> Step 1. Take a shower, hippie. Shave, shower, steam everything off.
>> Take two. Or three. Then go to sleep. You need it.
>> Step 2. Clean your gear. Wash your clothes, car, stuff, or pack it up
>> into the Burner corner of your house. Pack it away and dry it out.
>> Recycle, do your garbage, and wash your dishes. Get it put away.
>> Step 3. Breathe. Go through all your Burner stuff from this year, sort
>> and organize, and then happily stash it away for good memories for
>> later.
>>
>> Now that your physical needs are out of the way, let's go to the mental
>> needs.
>>
>> OMGWTFBBQ THAT WAS AWESOME!
>>
>> Yes, it was! Wow. Did you see that one guy with the thing? Those two
>> girls? That...why are you looking at me like that? I'm just trying to
>> explain it to you.
>>
>> Right. The people who didn't go are going to eye you with either
>> jealousy or trepidation, and your social acceptability standards while
>> on playa are different from the real world. While you CAN expect the
>> world to change to fit the Burning Man model, it seems to work better
>> if you don't try to put your shoulder up against the wheel of the Real
>> World right away until you figure out how that whole leverage thing
>> works as more than just a metaphor. A single butterfly may make
>> changes to the world's weather, but sometimes they just get blown into
>> a bug zapper by the wind. Slow down there, Mr. Burner Evangelist.
>> You've got 360 days before you're heading back to the Awesome. Let
>> your own brain process the nifty neato cool awesome, then hand it off
>> to others.
>>
>> You just don't get it.
>>
>> Okay there, Mr Cranky McCrankerpants. Did you forget to take your
>> 5-HTP afterwards? Are you still dehydrated? Are you wondering what the
>> $3,490 charge for "snacks" might be on your visa bill? That's your own
>> stuff and it's not up to the people around you - your loved ones, your
>> hamster, your dog, your listmates, your campmates, your neighbor - to
>> make accomodations for your emotional state post-playa. That's
>> entirely your bag of playafied emotional entanglements to work
>> through. Take a few more minutes to consider what you're saying on
>> email to people. Reread, check your emotions, and maybe put down the
>> phone to keep yourself from doing irreparable harm to your
>> relationships because you didn't sleep for a week and are still seeing
>> the Sleep Deprivation Leprechauns in your dreams. Slow down. Put your
>> gear in order, wash your dishes, go for a long walk. Then go back and
>> talk to your friends. If this is directed at people you camped with or
>> your patience level is abysmally low,
>> ?maybe you should also take what we in the business call "A Chill
>> Pill" and go shut up in a dark corner with some Funyuns for a while.
>> Not bitching people out for supposed insults or slights or yelling at
>> people for their "stupidity" is a good way to keep and maintain your
>> friendships. Also, try not to play Mr. Huffy or Ms. Huffy about
>> imagined or unimagined stuff that went on or didn't go on at the event
>> that you failed to communicate and ergo, the other party SHOULD have
>> known by magically reading your mind/emotional state. You will keep
>> people from thinking you're a total whackjob and/or raging asshat who
>> can't communicate. And you may keep your friends, instead of driving
>> them before you.
>>
>> And now back to Monkey Rule Numero Uno, PERIOD. (See? I ramble, but I
>> return to the point.)
>>
>> DO NOT MAKE CHANGES TO YOUR LIFE FOR AT LEAST THREE WEEKS AFTER YOU
>> COME BACK FROM BURNING MAN.
>>
>> Do not quit your job. Do not divorce your wife, husband, sister, dog,
>> parakeet. Do not sell all your possessions and move to Tibet to be a
>> monk. Do not ditch your car and travel the world. Do not found Hobbit
>> Camp. Do not plan a giant zeppelin for next year's Burn. Do not move
>> out of your house, break up with your girlfriend, boyfriend, get
>> married, move in your playa lover, sell your car, ditch your friends,
>> or make other rash decisions after you come home. This is important,
>> because the playa is still going to be in your brain, and the effects
>> are like that of rareified stupid sometimes. It will make total sense
>> to have a threesome with your significant other and someone in an
>> enormous rabbit costume at the Burn; in reality the ears get caught in
>> the ceiling fan. Make sure if you have major life decisions to make,
>> you make them AFTER you settle down and settle in. The emotions and
>> the stress will still be in your system for some time; do not allow
>> them to unduly influence y
>> ?our life.
>>
>> Take some B-vitamins, some 5-htp, drink plenty of water and eat a good
>> meal or two that you cooked yourself, go to bed early and read a good
>> book. You earned it. That major life-changing decision will still be
>> there in three weeks, and if you reduce the sheer volume of stress you
>> have, it will make those decisions easier to deal with AFTER you have
>> time to put away all the other issues and emotions post-Burn.
>>
>> You might not pay any attention to this little guide, or you might
>> say, "That's for suckers! Real Burners quit their jobs and go work in
>> an iron foundry with those guys they met that one night on the playa
>> or go get married with that beautiful playa nubnub in Vegas! We don't
>> need your stinkin' recommendations, Monkey!" And you would be right
>> (and I will happily watch you run off while popping my popcorn and
>> pulling up a chair). But if you want to have an easier time recovering
>> from the playa, you might take a little time down to remember what the
>> rest of your year goes like, and adjusting your brain, your living
>> patterns, and your emotional safety nets accordingly. It really does
>> help, especially if you THINK you got all the dusty bananas out of
>> your tent before you packed it away.
>>
>> Anyway, that's it. Don't stress. Pack your stuff away, and wait three
>> weeks before making any life-changing decisions.
>> Oh, and be nice to people. At the end of three weeks, you can be a
>> jerk again if you want to.
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