Immigration, good or bad

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:19 pm

I'll see that ,,, and raise you.
Who would jesus kill?

BBadger · Post by **BBadger** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:14 pm

Quite often it's not about what immigrants bring, but what they cost to support, especially in places like Europe. That's why the comparisons between modern immigration policy and older, more open immigration policies are very weak. It simply wasn't the same kind of burden back then. I know my grandparents didn't receive government help when they immigrated, of course that was even before other social burdens like Medicare were invented.

I think immigration is in general a good thing for a country, and immigrants usually become productive, integrated members of society over time. However, having too many immigrants at one time, and having to support them through social programs becomes very expensive. Also having large populations of immigrants tends to reduce how well such individuals integrate into society which I see as problematic as well.

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:44 pm

BBadger wrote:Quite often it's not about what immigrants bring, but what they cost to support, especially in places like Europe. That's why the comparisons between modern immigration policy and older, more open immigration policies are very weak. It simply wasn't the same kind of burden back then. I know my grandparents didn't receive government help when they immigrated, of course that was even before other social burdens like Medicare were invented.

I think immigration is in general a good thing for a country, and immigrants usually become productive, integrated members of society over time. However, having too many immigrants at one time, and having to support them through social programs becomes very expensive. Also having large populations of immigrants tends to reduce how well such individuals integrate into society which I see as problematic as well.

Interesting how the arguments against immigration haven't changed very much over the years. And it's sad you feel Medicare is a burden on society.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:52 am

can't sit still wrote:Man has always migrated for survival. The general idea is that; if you have a prior claim, you can morally keep out intruders. Nature doesn't respect morality,, only strength. Lots of populations get displaced by new-comers. Immigrants don't have any particular claim to land or resources in new territory.
If immigrants bring assets and skills, they are an addition to their new home. Many of the immigrants to Europe bring neither. In the final analysis, a country is a business operation. Right now, we see countries slipping from insolvency to bankruptcy. The productivity [or lack of] in both nationals and immigrants determines the solvency of a country.

YES YES YES.. a country is a business operation. Government exists to allow trade - not control it. Although governments always get greedy and awash in power. Then we must overthrow them. Immigrants are not really the issue. Except that all of you are making it so.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:10 am

can't sit still wrote:I'll see that ,,, and raise you.
Who would jesus kill?

Okay, I'll bite, give me an example of "good" immigration.

TomServo · Post by **TomServo** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:23 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:
can't sit still wrote:I'll see that ,,, and raise you.
Who would jesus kill?
Okay, I'll bite, give me an example of "good" immigration.

Where's your family from?

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:23 pm

TomServo wrote:
Where's your family from?

How far back?

German / Icelandic / British / French / American Indian / Swedish / Norwegian / Maybe some African American because my Indian relatives had slaves.

TomServo · Post by **TomServo** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:30 pm

Donna Matrix wrote:
TomServo wrote:
Where's your family from?
How far back?

German / Icelandic / British / French / American Indian / Swedish / Norwegian / Maybe some African American because my Indian relatives had slaves.

all immigrants...even the american indians. Im 1/8th cherokee...but who isn't? I still say we buy mexico.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:59 pm

You'll see us invade before long. Mexico's being destabilized by our CIA men in the drug economy, what did you think, it was an accident?

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:27 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:You'll see us invade before long. Mexico's being destabilized by our CIA men in the drug economy, what did you think, it was an accident?

why then, are you and others, not screaming at the prez. for this?

seems, you would be if it were someone else.........

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:54 am

Why not dissolve all boards and have a free for all.

We can all get guns... oh wait.. many of us already have them. and we can just fight it out. Sounds like fun. It'll be like the wild wild west all over again, except this time many invaders will come and we have serious diversity in our fighting ranks.

Anarchy.......................!

goathead · Post by **goathead** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:52 pm

jkisha wrote:Interesting how the arguments against immigration haven't changed very much over the years. And it's sad you feel Medicare is a burden on society.

But old and sick people are a burden on society, now just get in the basket and get comfortable. No, you will not need a blanket.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:33 pm

TomServo wrote:
Donna Matrix wrote:
TomServo wrote:
Where's your family from?
How far back?

German / Icelandic / British / French / American Indian / Swedish / Norwegian / Maybe some African American because my Indian relatives had slaves.
all immigrants...even the american indians. Im 1/8th cherokee...but who isn't? I still say we buy mexico.

No I'm 1/8 Cherokee. My ancestor was Lydia Halfbreed. She had six different husbands. Two of her kids, from different fathers are my great great grand parents.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:36 pm

In general, migration is the simple act of searching for resources. These resources are in short supply in many areas. Shortages will hit the most densely populated countries first. Obvious, of course. Frosty Wooldridge has been writing about this for a while.
http://www.rense.com/general93/critc.htm
Places like Pakistan will be first in line. Competition for resources is raising the prices.
"We are tired of this government because of the price of commodities,"
Riots in Uganda. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ap ... a-museveni
Youth unemployment worldwide is a huge problem. "At independence in 1964, Zambia had 3 million people; today it has more than four times that number. But formal employment has only risen from 300,000 to 400,000 in this time. Against a backdrop of rising unemployment, especially among the 3 million youths" 9 million new people and only 100,000 new jobs.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ap ... a-analysis

It's just competition for resources. Here's a sad statistic. McDonalds had a national hiring day. 62,000 were hired. 938,000 were turned away.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/mcdona ... er-content

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:45 pm

RENSE.COM

your stupid is showing.

Sail Man · Post by **Sail Man** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:11 pm

TomServo wrote:
Ugly Dougly wrote:
can't sit still wrote:I'll see that ,,, and raise you.
Who would jesus kill?
Okay, I'll bite, give me an example of "good" immigration.
Where's your family from?

Canada. I'm so ashamed

I'll go drown my sorrows in more Moosehead now.

Sail Man · Post by **Sail Man** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:17 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:You'll see us invade before long. Mexico's being destabilized by our CIA men in the drug economy, what did you think, it was an accident?

Not to mention the ATF knowingly allowing straw purchases in very large quantities of military caliber weapons from gun shops in Arizona that they knew would walk back across the border into the hands of the drug cartels.

Operation Gunwalker

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:47 pm

The Mexican cops seem to be in a big hurry. They drive V-12 Mercedes vans.
"Mexican sprinters are built in one of Mercedes-Benz Mexico's three factories in either Santiago Tianguistenco, Monterrey, and Mexico City and are branded as Mercedes-Benz, Mercedes-Benz-Valdez or Mercedes-Xicotencatl depending on which factory they were made in and what specific model they are. Mexican Sprinters feature heavier transmissions and can be fitted with a V-12 engine from the Mercedes S-Class for police " Wiki
FAST deliveries.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sun May 01, 2011 8:58 pm

This is a vid with a bit less than 13 million views. It lists population and reproductive statistics. It focuses on muslim immigration and reproduction. According to German and French authorities, these 2 countries will be majority muslim in a fairly short time. Other european countries will follow.
The question MUST be asked; will the immigrants try to adopt the new culture? The answer provided from France and England is a pretty solid, NO.

OK, so what can be expected if they maintain their old culture and beliefs? They seem to go crazy pretty easy. They killed 20 U.N. workers because some pastor in America burned the Koran. This is the usual reaction when their prophet is insulted. Rushdie come to mind.
Is Western enlightenment compatible with muslim attitudes, beliefs and culture? I'm not talking about race or religion. Obviously, one can't lump together all the cultures. . The majority of muslim countries are basket cases. Only the ones with oil have any kind of decent standard of living. http://arabicpaper.tripod.com/country.html
The muslims who have an education and opportunities at home are not likely to emigrate. That leaves the uneducated. Can the West survive a massive influx of uneducated insular muslims?
Open Door claims that 100 million christians world wide are persecuted, mostly by muslims. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians
"A recent study, cited by the Vatican, reported that 75 out of every 100 people killed for religious hatred are Christian.[3] [4]"
Y'all can scream racism and intolerance and all the rest of that BS. There are 750 muslim areas in France where the police WON'T go because it is too dangerous.

Don't talk to me about intolerance when a place is too dangerous for cops.
"July 28, 2008 update: For information on the German case, see Kristian Frigelj, "Unter Feinden," Die Welt. The teaser explains that "In many German urban areas, the police hardly dare enter because they are immediately assaulted." July 29, 2008 update: For a translation of this article, see "In Enemy Territory."
"Immediately assaulted" Is that the kind of action that should be tolerated?
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2006/11 ... -of-france
The Germans want to import Turkish cops to manage the Turkish muslims. They know that Turkish cops will NOT be politically correct.
8% of the population of France lives in areas where the police don't dare enter. Is that the kind of culture that should be spread around the world?

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Mon May 02, 2011 7:55 am

Sucking on LePen's cock again, huh.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Thu May 05, 2011 7:27 pm

"Open borders in Europe have led to a situation where 80 per cent of crimes committed in Norway and other Nordic states are carried out by criminals who are either from the Baltic states or are strongly linked to organized crime in the Baltic states," said Egil Haaland, president of the Norwegian police association."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 79138.html
This crime wave by immigrants is the rule rather than the exception in northern Europe. Over 90 % of rapes are committed by immigrants. There is no way to downplay or justify this. It's disgusting.

Sail Man · Post by **Sail Man** » Fri May 06, 2011 11:11 am

Yeah, Islam. A religion of tolerance and understanding.

Fuck em. Time for some more range time. Wife's got a new rifle and this pic will make for some good targets.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Fri May 06, 2011 11:24 am

Sounds like you are MUCH MORE tolerant.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Fri May 06, 2011 11:36 am

WE have only those rights which we are willing to defend.

If we are occupying a territory, then we have possession. Possession is 9/10ths of the law. If we don't defend our territory - we will lose it.

WE have the right to establish our culture and we have the right to defend it.

Tolerance is just another word for giving up. You do that if you want, but as for me, I will fight.

You got a problem with that? Fuck you. And I will just hope that I have more bullets than you. Stay out of my face and you can live any way you choose. But get in my face and provoke me - then you get what is coming to you.

Being provoked is a defense for murder.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:58 pm

The high-tech job market may get a bit tighter.

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