So my shrink said....

[illy dilly]

BM is NOT roses, double rainbows and puppies.

UM.... are you sure?

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[junglesmacks]

Oh, Illy..

That's clearly a petunia, not a rose. That's clearly a triple rainbow not a double. ..and I highly doubt that canine is a shade under 3 years old at least. Hardly a puppy..

[lemur]

If you think eplaya at times is a rough place to hang out, I have a feeling we'll be seeing ESD called around oh, Wednesday, about some crazy blathering 260# chick on open playa running around in circles waving her hands in the air with spit flying out of her mouth and screaming incoherent nonsense. BM is NOT roses, double rainbows and puppies. It's a gnarly ass inhospitable desert environment where your mental cohesion is put to the test in ways that you can't even grasp.

you got that right about burning man being fuckin harsh and possibly a mindfuck.

i work with a lot of people at burning man and every year theres a few folks who just cant take it (for whatever reason.. theres LOTS) and they end up getting the big sit down talk with someone until they become sober or come to their senses. Sometimes those people just leave or are whisked away by unknown forces (sometimes to the med tent).. this is a normal part of the game and once youve seen it happen a few times you begin to expect it..

it is hard enough to just survive in the black rock desert without burning man being there, and all the drama that can ensue when you mix people/stuff to do/drugs and harsh environment/nosleep/hangovers/etc surely wont make it easier on the more fickle among us...

for reals yo, i see people on various burning man communities act all shocked OMG THIS ISNT WHAT BURNING MAN IS ABOUT, THESE ARENT BURNERS when they start to feel critisized or singled out..... but that really is nothing compared to being out there in the dust..

so you didnt drink enough water.. youve had a bad morning because of a hangover (or you stubbed yer toe on rebar, whatever) and then youre walkin/riding back to camp when some asshole on a megaphone tells you all the stupid shit theyve been thinking..

or someone breaks a commitment, someone ditches you.. someone mouths off at you for being a noob, or for doing it wrong... someone tricks you in to going to the party at the trash fence and there isnt one..

someone burns the man on tuesday.. someone steals yer bike.. maybe someone accidentally spilled their piss bottle or beer on you.. you lose your favorite red bag...... that guy said NO to letting you on the art car but then let 5 naked girls on right after..

theres countless ways to have yer wheaties shat upon at burning man.. sometimes just being there itself can wear on you and you can be DONE WITH IT.. and shit that aint fun.


for reals.. if you think eplaya is hard!

just wait until youre sleeping in a 117F tent, drinking piss warm water that makes you wanta gag and your shit needs a spoon to help it out of yer ass cuz youve eaten nothing but granola bars and breakfast cereal for a week..


I am sure we could start countless threads explaining why burning man sucks and why it makes people turn in to sobbing pussies...



Toto, I've got a feeling we're not in kansas anymore...


(this post is in general, not aimed or intended to be for one person, but for anyone, veteran or not, who intends to experience the burning man event in northern nevada)

[illy dilly]

Oh, Illy..

That's clearly a petunia, not a rose. That's clearly a triple rainbow not a double. ..and I highly doubt that canine is a shade under 3 years old at least. Hardly a puppy..

LOL!!!!
I can't slip nothing past you, can I?

[illy dilly]

(this post is in general, not aimed or intended to be for one person, but for anyone, veteran or not, who intends to experience the burning man event in northern nevada)

And it is a very good post!!!

Something along these lines should be on the main page of the main site, as well on page 1 of the survival guide.

[AntiM]

(this post is in general, not aimed or intended to be for one person, but for anyone, veteran or not, who intends to experience the burning man event in northern nevada)

And it is a very good post!!!

Something along these lines should be on the main page of the main site, as well on page 1 of the survival guide.

I call it "Hit the Wall Day". Almost everyone has one out there.

[Nipple]

... so.

I think I'm gonna stay home next year.

[wh..sh]

that guy said NO to letting you on the art car but then let 5 naked girls on right after..

I can vouch for that!! I sat in the art car and observed this gate keeper who shoo-ed away many, many men and women. But right next minute, he would let a group of girls jump in and they didn't even have to be naked
The basic rules of world and human nature still applies - attractive people get things more easily than the not-so-attractive ones.

Burning man is not "Feel good" support group. You have to get your act together and be ready to face what's thrown at you. Sometimes its a curse, sometimes its a compliment.
Dont get carried away by either.

[wh..sh]

Nah, stay!
I drive an average sized truck with a big, powerful engine, in constatnt need of tune ups

Is this your truck?

[Simon of the Playa]

um, it clearly states on the back of the ticket that Pretty People get Preferential Treatment...


Duh.

[Nipple]

um, it clearly states on the back of the ticket that Pretty People get Preferential Treatment...


Duh.

tl;dr

[Elderberry]

um, it clearly states on the back of the ticket that Pretty People get Preferential Treatment...


Duh.

Isn't that pretty much written on the back of a birth certificate these days?

[Elderberry]

what did the old bitter skinny queen say to the fat chick?

"it's YOUR fault i'm gay"...

[Simon of the Playa]

you are obviously part of the problem then...


here...



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[Bounce530]

read the sig

[theCryptofishist]

Whatever happened to "Everyone is beautiful at Burningman"?

(And tg, just so you know, Bin Noddin is one of the kindest, gentlest souls around, on or off the board. I understand he hit a sore spot, but I recommend you give him a second chance.)

[junglesmacks]

Whatever happened to "Everyone is beautiful at Burningman"?

That theme is so 1996..

[lemur]

Whatever happened to "Everyone is beautiful at Burningman"?

this year a few compatriots of mine were discussing how one of them had some dude walk up to them randomly and say "you are beautiful.. even if youre overweight"

there were a few 'what an ass' remarks, disbelief.. and some 'well coulda been worse' type responses..

just another day!

[moonrise]

Nah, stay!
I drive an average sized truck with a big, powerful engine, in constatnt need of tune ups

Is this your truck?

Yup!

There are a few broken hearts, but they're down towards the bottom, where you can't easily see them (most of them mine) but I'm

[tattoogoddess]

you are obviously part of the problem then...


.

Should I just go off my self then? Would that make you feel better? Eradicate the problem?
I'm fucking over this and giving some major thought of even going at this point. If this is how people are treated out there then fuck that. I can get this at home. Never mind I helped find a deceased women's camera for her family so they could have some closure and helped figure out who was stealing green bikes and I have not even stepped foot on the playa. Yeah I sure am a fucking problem then. HUGE fucking problem.

Peace out. For those of you who are actually good people who are not fucking assholes and understand where im coming from. You most likely are on my facebook if you ask grai or 420 they have my facebook url if you want to get ahold of me still.

Feel free to pat your self on the back for being assholes when it was really not needed.

[lemur]

If this is how people are treated out there then fuck that. I can get this at home..

I think this hits upon a big issue i see with some folks at burning man.. and in the culture..


they think burning man isnt the real world..

that its some far away magical land where everyone is how things 'should' be.. yadda yadda..

people refer to the "default world" and burning man as if they are different..


but they arent, i think the point people are driving home is that burning man isnt utopia,.. its just like any place else ..

[lemur]

you are obviously part of the problem then...


.

Should I just go off my self then? Would that make you feel better? Eradicate the problem?

Yeah I sure am a fucking problem then. HUGE fucking problem.

I'd like to point out that Simon wasnt talking to you, TG,..


the post he posted is in response to this:

um, it clearly states on the back of the ticket that Pretty People get Preferential Treatment...


Duh.

tl;dr

edit:
tl;dr = too long didnt read

simon pasted a huge thing with the important part about pretty people only highlighted in a different color and everything..

[moonrise]

Is that your theme camp agreement/waiver Simon?

I might stick with the Ooey Gooey Reno crowd, fuuuuuck...they're kittens compared to that, and I'm born n raised New Yorker!!
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On another note, Sanctuary...what a place, (for those that don't know, it's the dome full of professional, kind hearted shrinks at 6 O'clock and Center Camp Medical Services) when I dropped that rescue off, (it was a rescue!!!! she found ME!) they took almost alllll night unloading her...the top dawg sent word she was fine the next morning...what a night!
It was burn night, 2010...a story with a happy ending afterall (for me too)
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ETA: It isn't uptopia Lemur, but it is vastly different....at least it is for the camps I know and many camps in general. YMMV

[Nipple]

I am part of the problem.

[Elderberry]

REALLY????
I thought he was talking about ME!
Fuck you all then, I'm not ever posting here ever again.

I'd like to point out that Simon wasnt talking to you, TG,..


the post he posted is in response to this:

um, it clearly states on the back of the ticket that Pretty People get Preferential Treatment...


Duh.

tl;dr

edit:
tl;dr = too long didnt read

simon pasted a huge thing with the important part about pretty people only highlighted in a different color and everything..

[ygmir]

I am part of the problem.

but what percent of the problem?

[Elderberry]

I am part of the problem.

Yes, you are.

[junglesmacks]

Don't let the screen door hit you on the ass on the way out the door..

[Elderberry]

Don't let the screen door hit you on the ass on the way out the door..

Now who could this remark have been made for? This might be a mind blower for the OP!

[AntiM]

Burning Man does have utopia moments, and enough of them to rose tint the stories. But yes, I've been called names there, been made to cry by cruel remarks and thoughtless people. But I drank some water, went and gifted some cool shit to people who were being ignored, and generally got over myself.

In real life, I just come home and bitch on eplaya when people are mean.

I am sad that TG felt ganged up on. Although I did tire of the hand-holding after the first thread or two. We couldn't be what she wanted, and she couldn't be what we wanted, and the middle ground was never found. It still could, though, it still could.....