OCCUPYWALLSTREET REINFORCEMENTS!

[Elderberry]

Hell, I'd probably even agree with that statement. There just haven't been that many protests of note in the last 20 years, and those that did occur like those with Cindy Sheehan were particularly ridiculous. The last impactful "protest" I can remember was the Rodney King Riots, but I'm not sure if comparisons between OWS and that incident is all that complementary.

I'll just paste this here again, I guess you must have missed it the first time.
650,000 people have already moved their money from big banks to credit unions to the tune of $4.5billion! And today is the "official" day to make the move.

I doubt this would have happened without the mood being set by OWS. And most importantly, they have changed the entire conversation in Washington and on the news. Before OWS "class warfare" was an ugly word. Now the disparity between the top and bottom is being recognized as a problem that need fixed. Should I go on? Because I could you know; but so could you, with a bit of searching on google or just watching your evening news. (NOT FOX).

[junglesmacks]

And most importantly, they have changed the entire conversation in Washington and on the news. Before OWS "class warfare" was an ugly word. Now the disparity between the top and bottom is being recognized as a problem that need fixed.

This.

You can call it a bunch of lazy ass hippies with no direction that just feel like marching for the sake of marching.. but in the end.. what has happened is a shift in the entire way that discussion is being had around the country. When was the last time that you heard the Regis & Kathy Lee crowd utter the words "corporate greed"?

It's not the actual marching, the yelling, the signs in the streets.. it's the way that it's changed the general consciousness and conversation topics in this country.

[bigdane]

And most importantly, they have changed the entire conversation in Washington and on the news. Before OWS "class warfare" was an ugly word. Now the disparity between the top and bottom is being recognized as a problem that need fixed.

This.

You can call it a bunch of lazy ass hippies with no direction that just feel like marching for the sake of marching.. but in the end.. what has happened is a shift in the entire way that discussion is being had around the country. When was the last time that you heard the Regis & Kathy Lee crowd utter the words "corporate greed"?

It's not the actual marching, the yelling, the signs in the streets.. it's the way that it's changed the general consciousness and conversation topics in this country.

True, but even that crowd is controlled by bigger purses that inhibit factual reporting...it's progress, but don't forget how many months there was a media blackout regarding OWS by those same purses hoping it would all go away. It hasn't, and it won't of course, but I would bet that the 99% are going to pay the first installments financially and maybe more before the 1% will grudgingly chip in a buck. Woody Allen said "In perpetrating a revolution, there are two requirements: someone or something to revolt against and someone to actually show up and do the revolting. Dress is usually casual and both parties may be flexible about time and place, but if either faction fails to attend, the whole enterprise is likely to come off badly." Until the 1% is dragged, kicking and screaming to the party we have a stalemate.

[junglesmacks]

Oh.. agreed for sure. The other part of the equation is for how long this stays the topic du jour. It really could go either way.. but I have a sneaking suspicion that with the 24 hour news cycle of tabloid crap journalism and faux news in this country, that the collective masses will soon bore with it and go back to more important and gripping subjects like Lindsey Whorehan and her newest mockery of the justice system.

[Elderberry]

The last time the climate was close to the climate Of today, they ended the Viet Nam war, so I wouldn't underestimate the power of the people. There were 50,000+/- people in the streets in Oakland. People in Iran are showing support. It's all over the social media. Frankly, I have never seen anything like this since the 60''s. And they didn't even have cell phones back then, let alone the Internet.

[junglesmacks]

50k? Fo' reels? No.. really. Are you sure?


..and let's hope so. My dear god, I'm pulling for it. I've just been pretty disheartened about this current state of society for so long. Living outside of this country for a long, extended period and looking in on it with the rest of the world while doing a worldwide, collective *facepalm* just contributed to a little bit of giving up hope.

[Elderberry]

50k? Fo' reels? No.. really. Are you sure?


..and let's hope so. My dear god, I'm pulling for it. I've just been pretty disheartened about this current state of society for so long. Living outside of this country for a long, extended period and looking in on it with the rest of the world while doing a worldwide, collective *facepalm* just contributed to a little bit of giving up hope.

You are not paying attention http://eplaya.burningman.org/viewtopic. ... 70#p757138
I hope that link takes you to the correct post on the previous page. It's a video by Cenk Uyger estimating the crowd.

[junglesmacks]

You are not paying attention http://eplaya.burningman.org/viewtopic. ... 70#p757138
I hope that link takes you to the correct post on the previous page. It's a video by Cenk Uyger estimating the crowd.

WOW..


I had heard 10k and that's about what I had an image in my mind of..

[BBadger]

I'll just paste this here again, I guess you must have missed it the first time.
650,000 people have already moved their money from big banks to credit unions to the tune of $4.5billion! And today is the "official" day to make the move. I doubt this would have happened without the mood being set by OWS.

I would attribute a great deal of this to the fallout over the Dodd-Frank financial regulation bill (i.e. it caps interchange fees), and reaction of people to banks like BoA announcing added fees for debit cards. It was after the announcement of such fees that people started getting pissed and switching to credit unions.

I'll agree that the mood of protest actually did make people get off their seats and actually do it.

And most importantly, they have changed the entire conversation in Washington and on the news. Before OWS "class warfare" was an ugly word. Now the disparity between the top and bottom is being recognized as a problem that need fixed. Should I go on? Because I could you know; but so could you, with a bit of searching on google or just watching your evening news. (NOT FOX).

Will you drop the "Fox News" cliché? It's like every stooge who thinks himself liberal has to tag that to any comment regarding news. It's just as tiring as conservatives whining about liberal media. I don't waste my time with any cable news stations, but if I did I wouldn't restrict my viewing to or from any specific one.

Anyway...

I'll concede that OWS has initiated a dialog about class. Prior to it, you certainly didn't hear much about "the" 99%, except as points on graphs. But hey, talk is cheap.

Yes, please go on. What has been accomplished? Things like "recognizing disparity" don't do much. The disparity has been recognized for decades. Even the term "top 1%" was used lots by politicians in the previous elections. What does OWS change about this? What gets the 98.9999% that aren't squatting in parks out of their seats?

People yanking their funds out of banks: bravo! I wish people would do more useful things like that. Boycotts, marches on the capitol, retaliatory campaign action, voter blocks, etc. That would be awesome. Like the civil rights campaigns of the 1950s and 1960s. Squatting in parks? Not so awesome.

What, besides good feelings and more marches has changed or will change because of OWS? Who, with any power, even acknowledges the "demands" of this OWS movement?

And if your answer is: "it's still going on, wait and see." Good. You're being honest. Maybe OWS is now only a movement in transition. I do not, however, credit it with changing or improving much of importance now.

[junglesmacks]

It's still going on, wait and see.

[Elderberry]

Will you drop the "Fox News" cliché? It's like every stooge who thinks himself liberal has to tag that to any comment regarding news. It's just as tiring as conservatives whining about liberal media. I don't waste my time with any cable news stations, but if I did I wouldn't restrict my viewing to or from any specific one.

Anyway...

I'll concede that OWS has initiated a dialog about class. Prior to it, you certainly didn't hear much about "the" 99%, except as points on graphs. But hey, talk is cheap.

Yes, please go on. What has been accomplished? Things like "recognizing disparity" don't do much. The disparity has been recognized for decades. Even the term "top 1%" was used lots by politicians in the previous elections. What does OWS change about this? What gets the 98.9999% that aren't squatting in parks out of their seats?

People yanking their funds out of banks: bravo! I wish people would do more useful things like that. Boycotts, marches on the capitol, retaliatory campaign action, voter blocks, etc. That would be awesome. Like the civil rights campaigns of the 1950s and 1960s. Squatting in parks? Not so awesome.

What, besides good feelings and more marches has changed or will change because of OWS? Who, with any power, even acknowledges the "demands" of this OWS movement?

And if your answer is: "it's still going on, wait and see." Good. You're being honest. Maybe OWS is now only a movement in transition. I do not, however, credit it with changing or improving much of importance now.

First and foremost, anything said about Faux News might be considered cliche by some, but that in no way implies it's not true. Fox is no more than a media arm for the Republicans and the far right and anyone that doubts or disputes that is living in a fantasy world. Though most of the people that watch Fox believe in Creation over Evolution and that Climate Change is a myth, so it's not that far fetched to say they are living in a fantasy world.

Now, my answer to your real question is: Yes, the movement it in its infancy and I have high hopes for where they are going and great confidence that they will get there. Wherever that may prove to be, it will be a better place than we are now. And you my dear BBadger will, I am sure, be a beneficiary of their efforts.

[ygmir]

It's still going on, wait and see.

yeah, yer expectin strippers, aren't you.....c'mon now, you know you are.........

[junglesmacks]

It's still going on, wait and see.

yeah, yer expectin strippers, aren't you.....c'mon now, you know you are.........

Did the lights just dim in here or is that just me?

What's that strange music playing?

[ygmir]

It's still going on, wait and see.

yeah, yer expectin strippers, aren't you.....c'mon now, you know you are.........

Did the lights just dim in here or is that just me?

What's that strange music playing?

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[BBadger]

First and foremost, anything said about Faux News might be considered cliche by some, but that in no way implies it's not true. Fox is no more than a media arm for the Republicans and the far right and anyone that doubts or disputes that is living in a fantasy world. Though most of the people that watch Fox believe in Creation over Evolution and that Climate Change is a myth, so it's not that far fetched to say they are living in a fantasy world.

That's funny, because this is like the pot calling the kettle black. You sound like the conservatives saying the same kind of thing about other networks.

Try diversifying your news some day jKisha. You can't know your enemy unless you study him. Otherwise, you're really nothing more than the liberal counterpart to who you feel are Fox News watchers.

Now, my answer to your real question is: Yes, the movement it in its infancy and I have high hopes for where they are going and great confidence that they will get there. Wherever that may prove to be, it will be a better place than we are now. And you my dear BBadger will, I am sure, be a beneficiary of their efforts.

I might, but I might not. From what I've read, there are many "demands" that I'd rather not ever see come to fruition. I'll give the future movement a chance, but not its current form. Maybe the child will grow up.

[lemur]

WE DEMAND PRE SHRUNK CLOTHING!!


NO MORE SURPRISES!

WE ARE THE 99% WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED

[Elderberry]

That's funny, because this is like the pot calling the kettle black. You sound like the conservatives saying the same kind of thing about other networks.

Try diversifying your news some day jKisha. You can't know your enemy unless you study him. Otherwise, you're really nothing more than the liberal counterpart to who you feel are Fox News watchers.

Now, my answer to your real question is: Yes, the movement it in its infancy and I have high hopes for where they are going and great confidence that they will get there. Wherever that may prove to be, it will be a better place than we are now. And you my dear BBadger will, I am sure, be a beneficiary of their efforts.

I might, but I might not. From what I've read, there are many "demands" that I'd rather not ever see come to fruition. I'll give the future movement a chance, but not its current form. Maybe the child will grow up.

Trust me, my media/news consumption is quite diverse. I, amoung most thinkers, just don't consider Fox as a credible option.

And there are some things I read on those signs that I don't agree with either, but I'm not throwing the baby out with the bath water.

[moonrise]

People yanking their funds out of banks: bravo! I wish people would do more useful things like that. Boycotts, marches on the capitol, retaliatory campaign action, voter blocks, etc. That would be awesome. Like the civil rights campaigns of the 1950s and 1960s.

I know I'm glad you returned BBadger. My health is not good, I can't march, but I can, and will influence more people to yank more money.
Boycotting is also easy to accomplish. Emailing and posting, also easy.
Google didn't offer a clear explanation for voter blocks (mostly discrimination, bigotry in the South, not what you implied I am sure)
More suggestions the 99% can do, from their jobs, homes, etc. would be appreciated.

The last time the climate was close to the climate Of today, they ended the Viet Nam war, so I wouldn't underestimate the power of the people. There were 50,000+/- people in the streets in Oakland. People in Iran are showing support. It's all over the social media. Frankly, I have never seen anything like this since the 60''s. And they didn't even have cell phones back then, let alone the Internet.

And most importantly, they have changed the entire conversation in Washington and on the news. Before OWS "class warfare" was an ugly word. Now the disparity between the top and bottom is being recognized as a problem that need fixed.

This.

You can call it a bunch of lazy ass hippies with no direction that just feel like marching for the sake of marching.. but in the end.. what has happened is a shift in the entire way that discussion is being had around the country. When was the last time that you heard the Regis & Kathy Lee crowd utter the words "corporate greed"?

It's not the actual marching, the yelling, the signs in the streets.. it's the way that it's changed the general consciousness and conversation topics in this country.

True, but even that crowd is controlled by bigger purses that inhibit factual reporting...it's progress, but don't forget how many months there was a media blackout regarding OWS by those same purses hoping it would all go away. It hasn't, and it won't of course, but I would bet that the 99% are going to pay the first installments financially and maybe more before the 1% will grudgingly chip in a buck. Woody Allen said "In perpetrating a revolution, there are two requirements: someone or something to revolt against and someone to actually show up and do the revolting. Dress is usually casual and both parties may be flexible about time and place, but if either faction fails to attend, the whole enterprise is likely to come off badly." Until the 1% is dragged, kicking and screaming to the party we have a stalemate.

Where are these 'hippies' everyone talks about? I think they're just hard core drug addicts and alcoholics in the streets wearing hippie clothes. I''m going on a hippie hunt...I'd like to see a real one.

I marched on Wash. D.C. at age 8, 9 and 10, we made road trips there frequently. My family paraded me around with a Kent State jacket on. We stayed in a politicians mansion. His son threw open the doors and 100's of people/hippies lived there (his politician father was clueless) I always wanted to go sing with Country Joe, because he sang the gimme an F U C K song (I guess little kids like taboo words? and I did sing with him, grin) Then when they overturned and burned buses, everyone ran in different directions and I ran off with the flower children for a time, they were very nice people. When we went marching on Wash. D.C. I learned to hide from truant officers and hop trains! My older sister and I rode one all the way to Maine, and then, that war ended. I'm alive and doing okay, so bring it on....I can accomplish a lot without camping in the streets.
Yes, marching on the capitol made a difference.

bigdane, How far back do you estimate, or know, the media has blocked the coverage of OWS? I'm curious because I was told to watch for something about protests while AT Burning Man 2011. (I was distracted at the time; I cannot recall if they said OWS)

[Elderberry]

True, but even that crowd is controlled by bigger purses that inhibit factual reporting...it's progress, but don't forget how many months there was a media blackout regarding OWS by those same purses hoping it would all go away. It hasn't, and it won't of course, but I would bet that the 99% are going to pay the first installments financially and maybe more before the 1% will grudgingly chip in a buck. Woody Allen said "In perpetrating a revolution, there are two requirements: someone or something to revolt against and someone to actually show up and do the revolting. Dress is usually casual and both parties may be flexible about time and place, but if either faction fails to attend, the whole enterprise is likely to come off badly." Until the 1% is dragged, kicking and screaming to the party we have a stalemate.

Hmmm...somehow that doesn't make sense to me. We are living in the era of the Internet and twitter and facebook. I don't recall a lag between what was being posted in social media and what was being reported in the main stream media.

[gyre]

The counterpart to fox news is hardly another news outlet controlled by a mega-corporation like general electric.


Try again.

[gyre]

Perhaps the Onion?

Or Mad magazine.

[Elderberry]

The counterpart to fox news is hardly another news outlet controlled by a mega-corporation like general electric.


Try again.

Excuse me, but there is no counterpart to Fox Noise.
And I wouldn't insult the Onion or Mad Magazine that way. They are both more fair and balanced than Fox...and more truthful.

[BBadger]

Trust me, my media/news consumption is quite diverse. I, amoung most thinkers, just don't consider Fox as a credible option.

EL OH EL. The same kind of lame excuses the "Fox News watchers" give about the other, "liberal media." Way to take the high road.

The counterpart to fox news is hardly another news outlet controlled by a mega-corporation like general electric.


Try again.

Excuse me, but there is no counterpart to Fox Noise.

CNN? NPR? OH SURELY they can have no bias!

You'll see the same kind of claims of bias from both sides, especially from those who have their heart set on a particular viewpoint. There are even accusations against Fox for being too liberal, and CNN too conservative. Again: a reason why you don't limit yourself to single networks, and certainly not to domestic networks.

[Box Burner]

Boycotting is also easy to accomplish. Emailing and posting, also easy.
Google didn't offer a clear explanation for voter blocks (mostly discrimination, bigotry in the South, not what you implied I am sure)
More suggestions the 99% can do, from their jobs, homes, etc. would be appreciated.

Some suggestions:

Phase II: Pay Cash - Buy American

1 - After moving your money to a small bank or a credit union, verify that the credit card they offer is from them and not held by one of the big banks. Then, if possible, move any loans you have to the the new credit card offered by the small bank or credit union.

2 - Now that we are headed into the holiday buying frenzy make all your purchases with cash, or with your new small bank or credit union debit card. Avoid using credit if possible. Take advantage of layaways when they are available. If you must use credit make sure that the card you are using is from your small bank or credit union and not held by one of the big banks.

3 - As much as possible, Buy American. American products made in America from American parts and raw materials.
Note: For those of you who live in other countries; you should buy products made in your country by your countryman.

[Sola Gangsta]

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[Elderberry]

Trust me, my media/news consumption is quite diverse. I, amoung most thinkers, just don't consider Fox as a credible option.

EL OH EL. The same kind of lame excuses the "Fox News watchers" give about the other, "liberal media." Way to take the high road.

The counterpart to fox news is hardly another news outlet controlled by a mega-corporation like general electric.


Try again.

Excuse me, but there is no counterpart to Fox Noise.

CNN? NPR? OH SURELY they can have no bias!

You'll see the same kind of claims of bias from both sides, especially from those who have their heart set on a particular viewpoint. There are even accusations against Fox for being too liberal, and CNN too conservative. Again: a reason why you don't limit yourself to single networks, and certainly not to domestic networks.

I have no problem with bias from either side, but there is a difference between reporting on the facts with bias and making up the facts. FOX doesn't know what a fact is. If you believe otherwise, we have nothing further to say to each other on this topic.

[unjonharley]

AS of this morning, The media has only reported on crowd containment.

No one representing the " 1 % " has responded..

[Bob]

Waiting for the fleabaggers to gather sigs for non-partisan state commissions to determine mob size? What if all the paper, pens and clipboards are made in China?

[Elderberry]

AS of this morning, The media has only reported on crowd containment.

No one representing the " 1 % " has responded..

There was a blurb on local News in Los Angeles; let's see what Monday brings.

[Sola Gangsta]

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