New Burningman Ticket Process - 2012

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:20 am

"this years drama is WAY better than last years drama."...

i smell a meme...kinda like patchouli mixed with garbage, on fire...

Joshy Neurotic · Post by **Joshy Neurotic** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:24 am

jewel_man - no .. sorry ...
i dont particular agree with the lottery system, however they havent released all the details.
yes, we as participants keep the funds to run the event going. But in no way does OWS event belong on playa. if it was ran by mcdonalds or whatever then yes i could see it. but it doesn't.
one of the main sticking points behind ows, there are many but im talking of the main one i can understand and fully stand behind, is how the government.. YOUR GOVERNMENT, bailed out the big banks, corporations, giving big corporations sneaky bailouts, etc. where does this fit in to the BMORG ? im sure the federal government would rather BM not exist, as it doesn't fall into the conservative views that your government has came to inherit. Non of your tax dollars have gone to supporting burning man. you CHOOSE to attend. loosing going to burning man 1 year because of this system has absolutoly no comparison to losing your life savings, or losing your house, or losing a carrer ( im talking 10 years worked or better) job due to the government giving money to the people that are ruining your country.

i could see a OWS theme camp, that goes around protesting other camps.... mocking them or whatever... that would be hilarious and i would encourage that, and would probably drunkenly protest with them lol.

Back to the other point, the gate is a lonely place if your sitting there with out water food or shelter for a week.....

lucky420 · Post by **lucky420** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:27 am

bwahahaha Joshy +100000

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:28 am

Joshy Neurotic wrote:im sure the federal government would rather BM not exist, as it doesn't fall into the conservative views that your government has came to inherit.

How are we defining "the federal government" in this discussion?

Roberto Dobbisano · Post by **Roberto Dobbisano** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:31 am

would probably drunkenly protest with them lol.

and herein lies the problem...

The CO · Post by **The CO** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:34 am

Jewel Man wrote:I am starting the Occupy Balck Rock City Movement for all of us who have felt the oppression of the Elders decision to unilaterally decide what is right for the whole community without considering the People's input. We the People fund the whole experience so why shouldn't we have a say on who gets selected to participate.

Burning Man is not a democracy. It is not consensus based. It is not communism. It doesn't have 'elders'. IT'S A FUCKING CAMPING TRIP. It has privately held shares, a board & corporate officers. You the people have no say whatsoever.

"We the People fund the whole experience so why shouldn't we have a say on who gets selected to participate."

Why the fuck should you? When you buy a concert ticket, does that enable you to determine who else gets in? Does it mean the band plays only the songs you want to hear? What other comparable commercial transaction (which is what buying a ticket is) allows you the type of control you are demanding?

It's BMorgs event. They can run it how they want.
If you don't like the way it is, don't buy a ticket.

*edit*
What oppression are you talking about? You have to choose to buy a ticket and go spend a week in the desert. No one is forcing you.

CapSmashy · Post by **CapSmashy** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:40 am

The CO wrote:
Jewel Man wrote:I am starting the Occupy Balck Rock City Movement for all of us who have felt the oppression of the Elders decision to unilaterally decide what is right for the whole community without considering the People's input. We the People fund the whole experience so why shouldn't we have a say on who gets selected to participate.
Burning Man is not a democracy. It is not consensus based. It is not communism. It doesn't have 'elders'. IT'S A FUCKING CAMPING TRIP. It has privately held shares, a board & corporate officers. You the people have no say whatsoever.

"We the People fund the whole experience so why shouldn't we have a say on who gets selected to participate."

Why the fuck should you? When you buy a concert ticket, does that enable you to determine who else gets in? Does it mean the band plays only the songs you want to hear? What other comparable commercial transaction (which is what buying a ticket is) allows you the type of control you are demanding?

It's BMorgs event. They can run it how they want.
If you don't like the way it is, don't buy a ticket.

*edit*
What oppression are you talking about? You have to choose to buy a ticket and go spend a week in the desert. No one is forcing you.

YEAH! And stuff....

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:42 am

CapSmashy wrote:
The CO wrote:
Jewel Man wrote:I am starting the Occupy Balck Rock City Movement for all of us who have felt the oppression of the Elders decision to unilaterally decide what is right for the whole community without considering the People's input. We the People fund the whole experience so why shouldn't we have a say on who gets selected to participate.
Burning Man is not a democracy. It is not consensus based. It is not communism. It doesn't have 'elders'. IT'S A FUCKING CAMPING TRIP. It has privately held shares, a board & corporate officers. You the people have no say whatsoever.

"We the People fund the whole experience so why shouldn't we have a say on who gets selected to participate."

Why the fuck should you? When you buy a concert ticket, does that enable you to determine who else gets in? Does it mean the band plays only the songs you want to hear? What other comparable commercial transaction (which is what buying a ticket is) allows you the type of control you are demanding?

It's BMorgs event. They can run it how they want.
If you don't like the way it is, don't buy a ticket.

*edit*
What oppression are you talking about? You have to choose to buy a ticket and go spend a week in the desert. No one is forcing you.
YEAH! And stuff....

Yeah, entitlement and stuff like that... mumble....grumble...

Jewel Man · Post by **Jewel Man** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:50 am

The CO wrote:
Jewel Man wrote:I am starting the Occupy Balck Rock City Movement for all of us who have felt the oppression of the Elders decision to unilaterally decide what is right for the whole community without considering the People's input. We the People fund the whole experience so why shouldn't we have a say on who gets selected to participate.
Burning Man is not a democracy. It is not consensus based. It is not communism. It doesn't have 'elders'. IT'S A FUCKING CAMPING TRIP. It has privately held shares, a board & corporate officers. You the people have no say whatsoever.

"We the People fund the whole experience so why shouldn't we have a say on who gets selected to participate."

Why the fuck should you? When you buy a concert ticket, does that enable you to determine who else gets in? Does it mean the band plays only the songs you want to hear? What other comparable commercial transaction (which is what buying a ticket is) allows you the type of control you are demanding?

It's BMorgs event. They can run it how they want.
If you don't like the way it is, don't buy a ticket.

*edit*
What oppression are you talking about? You have to choose to buy a ticket and go spend a week in the desert. No one is forcing you.

What planet are you from? Have you read the 10 Principles of BM? Here are a few of them --

Radical Inclusion
Anyone may be a part of Burning Man. We welcome and respect the stranger. No prerequisites exist for participation in our community.

Communal Effort
Our community values creative cooperation and collaboration. We strive to produce, promote and protect social networks, public spaces, works of art, and methods of communication that support such interaction.

Civic Responsibility
We value civil society. Community members who organize events should assume responsibility for public welfare and endeavor to communicate civic responsibilities to participants. They must also assume responsibility for conducting events in accordance with local, state and federal laws.

It is not a Camping Trip and it is not a vacation. It is an annual experiment to see if society is capable of living in an alternative universe where money, greed, war, hatered, sexism does not exist. It is a place where people can be self-expressive in whatever way they feel comfortable and they will not be judged by the people around them.

I think you need to take a very hard deep look in the mirror and ask yourself why you are going to the desert. Sounds like you are just going for yourself and not to participate in the experiment. In a way you are proving that the experiment is a failure and that is sad.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:53 am

The CO wrote:
Jewel Man wrote:I am starting the Occupy Balck Rock City Movement for all of us who have felt the oppression of the Elders decision to unilaterally decide what is right for the whole community without considering the People's input. We the People fund the whole experience so why shouldn't we have a say on who gets selected to participate.
Burning Man is not a democracy. It is not consensus based. It is not communism. It doesn't have 'elders'. IT'S A FUCKING CAMPING TRIP....

I keep getting misquoted. It's just a fucking, camping, trip.

Bounce530 · Post by **Bounce530** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:58 am

junglesmacks · Post by **junglesmacks** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:59 am

Bob wrote:I keep getting misquoted. It's just a fucking, camping, trip.

You probably think this song is about ya, don't ya.

Ranger Ryan · Post by **Ranger Ryan** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:00 am

Bounce530 wrote:

Awesome! Perfect!

CapSmashy · Post by **CapSmashy** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:01 am

Jewel Man wrote:What planet are you from? Have you read the 10 Principles of BM? Here are a few of them --

Radical Inclusion
Anyone may be a part of Burning Man. We welcome and respect the stranger. No prerequisites exist for participation in our community.

A ticket is required to participate at the event.

It is not a Camping Trip and it is not a vacation.

Correct, it is not just another camping trip or vacation, its an expensive vacation camping trip that requires a ticket to get in.

It is an annual experiment to see if society is capable of living in an alternative universe where money, greed, war, hatered, sexism does not exist.

Oh jesus fucking christ....

We aren't. The experiment failed. It is now just a camping trip with some cool shit to see.

It is a place where people can be self-expressive in whatever way they feel comfortable and they will not be judged by the people around them.

Except that there is a lot of judgement happening.

I think you need to take a very hard deep look in the mirror and ask yourself why you are going to the desert. Sounds like you are just going for yourself and not to participate in the experiment. In a way you are proving that the experiment is a failure and that is sad.

I go to the desert to hang out with The CO and a few hundred other people myself.

Joshy Neurotic · Post by **Joshy Neurotic** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:03 am

i have created a facebook page. its a bit pro-active,
The idea is to help people who will be looking for tickets when the time comes.
this is the name of the group
Burning Man 2012 - Ticket trading - FACE VALUE ONLY !

join, or not. but make sure you read the information

Post by **Elderberry** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:09 am

trilobyte wrote:@jkisha & @A Jester - keep in mind that the event still falls under the domain of (and is managed by) the LLC. Also, the 'new' people to the Project's board are individuals who are very familiar with Burning Man, the BMOrg, and the principles. They bring to the table additional expertise in both leadership in the non-profit space as well as working with municipal government, which is in line with what the BM Project hopes to do in both the short and long term. Over time (a couple years away, assuming everything goes smoothly) the event will transition to the BM Project, but the various departments within the org that run the event under the LLC are expected to continue to have the same involvement under the Project.

I'm confused. Maybe you could answer these questions for me.

What exactly do you mean that "the event still falls under the domain of (and is managed by) the LLC? There are many ways for that to be interpreted. Understand that I'm not very familiar with LLC's as I've never formed one. So are you saying that the LLC was converted to a non-profit entity? Or that an entirely new Corporation or LLC with non-profit status was formed and it's stock is owned by the LLC? I'm not sure what an LLC is permitted to buy or own.

Or did they simply setup the new non-profit corporation does not own any part of the original BMORG at this point in time; and that those two organizations (original LLC and new non-profit (LLC or Corp) will be running side by side?

Or maybe another way to ask this is who are the LLC partners and who owns all the shares of the new non-profit?

The board is really irrelevant in terms of ownership. (Unless the board are given stock assuming a it's a corporation.)

Post by **Elderberry** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:10 am

LOL and we all know what happened to that idea!

Bounce530 wrote:

The CO · Post by **The CO** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:11 am

Jewel Man wrote:It is not a Camping Trip and it is not a vacation. It is an annual experiment to see if society is capable of living in an alternative universe where money, greed, war, hatered, sexism does not exist. It is a place where people can be self-expressive in whatever way they feel comfortable and they will not be judged by the people around them.

It can be all those things and much more. Burning Man is what you (the majestic plural, not you specifically) make of it.
It's no experiment for me.

However, it is still just a fucking camping trip.

The BMorg provides toilets and camping space. Any mind expansion, education, discovery (self or otherwise), art or fun are solely at discretion of the end user.

Jewel Man wrote:I think you need to take a very hard deep look in the mirror and ask yourself why you are going to the desert. Sounds like you are just going for yourself and not to participate in the experiment. In a way you are proving that the experiment is a failure and that is sad.

I think you need to take a look at the things your writing and whom (again, majestic plural) you are talking to. I know exactly why I go to the burn. Same reason I've been coming back since '96. But that's my reason. Everyone else has to get their own reason.

Your Burning Man experience is not the same as any others. When you start to tell people what they are supposed to be doing/thinking/feeling in BRC, You are doing it wrong.

Post by **Elderberry** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:12 am

Ah, so true.

CapSmashy wrote:
Jewel Man wrote:What planet are you from? Have you read the 10 Principles of BM? Here are a few of them --

Radical Inclusion
Anyone may be a part of Burning Man. We welcome and respect the stranger. No prerequisites exist for participation in our community.
A ticket is required to participate at the event.

It is not a Camping Trip and it is not a vacation.
Correct, it is not just another camping trip or vacation, its an expensive vacation camping trip that requires a ticket to get in.

It is an annual experiment to see if society is capable of living in an alternative universe where money, greed, war, hatered, sexism does not exist.
Oh jesus fucking christ....

We aren't. The experiment failed. It is now just a camping trip with some cool shit to see.

It is a place where people can be self-expressive in whatever way they feel comfortable and they will not be judged by the people around them.
Except that there is a lot of judgement happening.

I think you need to take a very hard deep look in the mirror and ask yourself why you are going to the desert. Sounds like you are just going for yourself and not to participate in the experiment. In a way you are proving that the experiment is a failure and that is sad.
I go to the desert to hang out with The CO and a few hundred other people myself.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:12 am

Jewel Man wrote:Anyone may be a part of Burning Man. We welcome and respect the stranger. No prerequisites exist for participation in our community.

That's right, it's free, no tickets required. No standard for behavior, you can never be ejected from Burning Man, and there is no upper limit to attendance numbers. Thanks for filling us in.

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:13 am

yes...Facebook can and will solve this problem.

please gift me whatever drugs you are on.

Joshy Neurotic wrote:i have created a facebook page. its a bit pro-active,
The idea is to help people who will be looking for tickets when the time comes.
this is the name of the group
Burning Man 2012 - Ticket trading - FACE VALUE ONLY !

join, or not. but make sure you read the information

Joshy Neurotic · Post by **Joshy Neurotic** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:29 am

im not trying to solve anything, just give another venue so if YOU dont get your precious ticket YOU wont have to go to a scalper.

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:37 am

YOU have my eternal gratitude...

however, i will be relying on radical self reliance and lady luck...

i'm eating her out right now as i type.

ozalid · Post by **ozalid** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:39 am

Camping trip, Experiment, Spiritual Experience, a week away from where ever you come from......

It means different things to different people....why try to define it for someone else.???

Its like having an argument over the lyrics to "Stairway to Heaven" You like the song?? good... trying to understand it will just ruin it for you...

It is.

Nipple · Post by **Nipple** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:43 am

Bob wrote: I keep getting misquoted. It's just a fucking, camping, trip.

I didn't fuck once while I was there.

Am I doing it wrong?

I did camp at least. 50%?

junglesmacks · Post by **junglesmacks** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:44 am

Didn't you see the sign?

lucky420 · Post by **lucky420** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:44 am

bwahahahaa fuck Simon! someone please pass the screen wipes...

CapSmashy · Post by **CapSmashy** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:47 am

Nipple wrote:I didn't fuck once while I was there.

Am I doing it wrong?

I did camp at least. 50%?

If you masturbated, you can improve your percentage to 75%

Nipple · Post by **Nipple** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:48 am

Ugh. Like I know where that thing's been.

I'm not touching it.

LostinReno · Post by **LostinReno** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:56 am

Here ya go, get 4 friends to pitch in = $1000 each.

http://www.homesandland.com/Real_Estate ... 90405.html

You have a nice piece of land in Gerlach, claim resedency, never have to smog your car again annnd get local tickets for life.....problem solved.

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