OCCUPYWALLSTREET REINFORCEMENTS!

[Sola Gangsta]

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[Bob]

we all know, a large group of humans, camping like they are, are going to make a mess.
my point is that, knowing that, they should plan for it, and, not rely on gov. to provide sanitation and clean up.

They're obviously far worse at camping than typical burners....
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The Frisco camp was about ten feet away from the daily craft market at the foot of Market, last I was down there a couple weeks ago. Picture the worst tents you've ever seen at Burning Man, lots of blue tarps, graffiti masking the playa dust, and fried looking people in need of ramen and furniture. Haven't seen it since the rains. The craft people are looking forward to it dispersing. Not sure about the farmers market, they're mostly across the Embarcadero.

[Elderberry]

OK, to all you naysayers out there, whether you like or support OWS or not, it should be disturbing to everyone that when the NYC Mayor ordered OWS dismantled, under cover of darkness, all media/press was banned and those that attempted to cover the story were either turned away or in some cases arrested and in one case beaten by police. Freedom of the press?

yes, I agree.......
I do though have mixed feelings about the encampments, where they (OWS) does not take care of their sanitary situation.......Why, should public money be spent to clean up after them, and provide JOTS?
Sure, protest, sit in, whatever, but, take care of your own mess.

Actually, I have the same mixed feelings from when I visited the Occupy Los Angeles. Though I will say, they do a pretty good job of keeping the area clean. But I'm sure the lawn at LA City Hall will never be the same! My thinking is leaning towards the occupations being a cost of democracy and those costs should be paid by the city/county/state of the jurisdiction they are in. It's not much different than the city opting to pay for cleanup after a parade for their favorite winning sports team, or the Christman Parade.

Give this a quick look http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment

[Bob]

Frisco camp is a block from the district Federal Reserve bank; closest government offices other than that are about two miles away, and the financial district is about a half mile away. So I guess they're farting in the general direction of the Fed. Recent actions in Berkeley and Oakland have caused some fleabagger influx from that direction, so the camp has spread across the plaza and up the first block of Market, which prompted the "police raid" last night.

Some of the street vendors are probably waiting it out at Aquatic Park and Fishermen's Wharf.

[Ugly Dougly]

Of course, you remember that's the pretext that the Nazis used for rounding up the Jews. They were "saving them" from their own "squalid" conditions and relocating them to a more hygemic situation. Looking out for their own good, of course!

OK, to all you naysayers out there, whether you like or support OWS or not, it should be disturbing to everyone that when the NYC Mayor ordered OWS dismantled, under cover of darkness, all media/press was banned and those that attempted to cover the story were either turned away or in some cases arrested and in one case beaten by police. Freedom of the press?

yes, I agree.......
I do though have mixed feelings about the encampments, where they (OWS) does not take care of their sanitary situation.......Why, should public money be spent to clean up after them, and provide JOTS?
Sure, protest, sit in, whatever, but, take care of your own mess.

Actually, I have the same mixed feelings from when I visited the Occupy Los Angeles. Though I will say, they do a pretty good job of keeping the area clean. But I'm sure the lawn at LA City Hall will never be the same! My thinking is leaning towards the occupations being a cost of democracy and those costs should be paid by the city/county/state of the jurisdiction they are in. It's not much different than the city opting to pay for cleanup after a parade for their favorite winning sports team, or the Christman Parade.

Give this a quick look http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment

[Bob]

...the Nazis...

Thread over.

[Sola Gangsta]

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[Sola Gangsta]

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[Ugly Dougly]

Beautiful.
And not out of place on the playa, I might add.

[ygmir]

...the Nazis...

Thread over.

Godwin's law?

[ygmir]

Of course, you remember that's the pretext that the Nazis used for rounding up the Jews. They were "saving them" from their own "squalid" conditions and relocating them to a more hygemic situation. Looking out for their own good, of course!

wasn't part of the Nazi thing against the Jews, also, about their banking practices?.........

[Sola Gangsta]

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[theCryptofishist]

Of course, you remember that's the pretext that the Nazis used for rounding up the Jews. They were "saving them" from their own "squalid" conditions and relocating them to a more hygemic situation. Looking out for their own good, of course!

wasn't part of the Nazi thing against the Jews, also, about their banking practices?.........

*eyeroll*
Nazis used just about everything from the European Anti-Semitic Playbook that had be circulating and amended and added to for the previous fifteen hundred years. And yes, banking practices were in that. After all, back in the day, the Catholic Church had outlawed money lending for profit, and national and local (oh that sounds weird fro the time period, but whatever) authorities outlawed Jewish ownership of land. So Jews could lend money, Catholics found it useful to borrow at various times and had to use gold for interest because land couldn't be paid off. And that's how a few Jews got rich, but really there were far more working as tailors or living in schetls than there were Rothschilds.
I don't know if the Nazi's accused the Jews of having a blood sabbath using the body of a christian infant, but I wouldn't put it past them. They weren't a particularly subtle or sane lot, and I'm not quite sure why you asked that question, as it doesn't seem particularly productive or relevent.

[Ugly Dougly]

Forget I mentioned it.

[unjonharley]

Hitler was a catholic.. That was part of his mind set against the Jew..

Getting your shit packed by some big hairy priest could turn you into a nasty little bastard..

[moonrise]

I've noticed that some people like to call hippies lazy bums, but I tend to think of bankers as lazy bums whose main business is usury, who are basically not producing anything and are parasites on the host of hard working Americans.

This true IMHO.. This can not be changed by setting a tent and damaging property.. The rank and file Americans have to stop buying "The Next Big Thing"
A pair of jean $40.. Buy at $9.95.. Vote the bought and payed for out of there $$$$ offices.. Vote and refuse these money making wars.. There is no value in OWS.

Not even if it makes people think about where the things come from and who benefits for their sale? I see Occupy as an educational movement as well.

[Sola Gangsta]

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[Sola Gangsta]

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colber ... t-decamped

[ygmir]

Of course, you remember that's the pretext that the Nazis used for rounding up the Jews. They were "saving them" from their own "squalid" conditions and relocating them to a more hygemic situation. Looking out for their own good, of course!

wasn't part of the Nazi thing against the Jews, also, about their banking practices?.........

*eyeroll*
****snip********** They weren't a particularly subtle or sane lot, and I'm not quite sure why you asked that question, as it doesn't seem particularly productive or relevent.

I was trying to highlight, the absurd, with, the absurd...........and, how, that particular group of people, could be used on both sides of that argument/issue.

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[littleflower]

Hey look, we have occupy boise !!!

what an attractive addition to the city. no wonder everyone wants to join in.

[Elderberry]

Hey look, we have occupy boise !!!

what an attractive addition to the city. no wonder everyone wants to join in.

Hey, it's Boise. What else would you expect?

[littleflower]

Hey look, we have occupy boise !!!

what an attractive addition to the city. no wonder everyone wants to join in.

Hey, it's Boise. What else would you expect?

i don't think tent cities are very attractive anywhere, actually. but at least i visited!

[theCryptofishist]

I simply don't know if having a clear and rigid agenda is important at this stage. When those bull dykes and drag queens decided to fight the cops 42 years ago, I don't think there was a piece of paper that said "in 2011 we want gay marriage and to serve in the army openly." The Gay Liberation/Gay Rights/LGBTQ Movement has gone to a lot of interesting places in those years, and there's been a lot of talk among themselves to set and change goals over and over, but in the first weeks months there wasn't a clear direction (as far as I know) just a big sense of possibility. I'd say that women's rights and the ecology movement were also not on a committed track when they first burst into large awareness.
Is Occupy like this movements in whatever crucial way it was that let them go from nothing in mind to a long list of accomplishments? I don't know. But I don't find lack of that particular piece of paper an indication either way.

[cowboyangel]

Hey look, we have occupy boise !!!

what an attractive addition to the city. no wonder everyone wants to join in.

littlebabe, that is much prettier than the wholesale theft of the economy of the US by a few bloated criminal banks. We bailed them out and then they screwed us.
I'll take a million dirty filthy tents to one minute in the presence of even one of those despicable, hateful, evil rat-fuck bankers.

[Elderberry]

Hey look, we have occupy boise !!!

what an attractive addition to the city. no wonder everyone wants to join in.

Hey, it's Boise. What else would you expect?

i don't think tent cities are very attractive anywhere, actually. but at least i visited!

It was hard to tell how big the occupation was, but did you go in and talk with anyone there?

Two years ago we had two straight girls camp with us. They said that when they drove in their first thought was what have we gotten ourselves into, this looks like some refugee village! Their opinion quickly changed once they got settled in and involved.

[littleflower]

Hey look, we have occupy boise !!!

what an attractive addition to the city. no wonder everyone wants to join in.

littlebabe, that is much prettier than the wholesale theft of the economy of the US by a few bloated criminal banks. We bailed them out and then they screwed us.
I'll take a million dirty filthy tents to one minute in the presence of even one of those despicable, hateful, evil rat-fuck bankers.

well, cowboy, i'm happier avoiding both. and it's no problem avoiding the asshole bankers.

JK, no, i didn't talk to anyone. why should i? i have an idea why they are there. you really should consider that at some point their actual presence may become anti-productive. not everyone sees things the way you do, and people get sick of looking at tent cities. there must be other ways of getting your message across.

[ygmir]

but, you might consider, appearances do matter. RE: LF and some of your responses.
A ramshackle camp, no direction, poor sanitation, no clear message, disregard for civil discourse, rules, and propriety.........to whatever degree these things exist, and, are being portrayed as factual (again, to whatever degree).
These things tend, IMHO, to work against the OWS'ers.
Sure, they engender and excite, a certain segment of society. But, I'd say "average Joe" looks at this and they lose credibility.

I support, the right to public assembly.
I like that OWS has taken hold, to whatever extent.
I like the idea, that, ordinary citizens, are letting gov. know they're "fed up". (I still think gov. is the real enemy, in allowing what has happened, to happen)

What I don't like, is the appearance, that so much of what is going on there, is some sort of "hippy" sit-in/deomonstration/protest/riot, substance abuse, making a mess for others to clean up, not taking responsibility for actions from within their group.

People decry the police, when someone gets beat up. And, they should.
But, it's not all cops who do that. Yet, cops are generalized.
But, those same people, when a certain faction of OWS attendees, destroy, vandalize and cause mayhem, they scream "it's not us, it's only a few, that we don't support".
How, are those two scenarios different?.

How impressive, would it be, to see thousands of people protesting, calmly, politely but forcefully. Articulating and discussing......and, when they leave (at a time of their choosing), the area is no worse for wear.........

I understand, much of what we see, is media driven, for ratings. And, I include that realization.
But, also, the pictures are not fake. Garbage, vandalism, destruction, etc. do exist and are not being addressed, well enough.

I'm just saying, I guess, I'd like to see more respect, for the people, grounds and properties, collaterally impacted by this.
So many attendees, and supporters, say they're sensitive, to the environment. Yet, look at the result.

In my opinion, it takes away from the good work, the good "righteous indignation", that they are trying to foster.
Just a little care, in this arena, IMHO, would go a long way, to garner support, from many "on the fence".

[Sola Gangsta]

Ygmir; You are generalizing about hippies (the real hippies disappeared about 40 years ago BTW), but make distinctions with police. Some of us are the police and military:

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There are more of us than you think. In fact several of us are getting pissed with the bankers and the govt about threats over losing our retirement, the DAV's increasingly reduced budget and lack of support for veterans, etc...

If things keep going the way they are, there will be more people in tent cities as more and more homes get foreclosed on.

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You can thank your bankers for creating the tent cities. They are directly responsible for kicking people out in the streets with their fraudulent lending practices.

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