lemur wrote:AntiM wrote:Dammit, if I'd known we had to read the damn thing to them.....
i will hold your hand in the porta potty, if you want me to..
this is a new service im providing in 2012.
I could use a little hand holding just now.
lemur wrote:AntiM wrote:Dammit, if I'd known we had to read the damn thing to them.....
i will hold your hand in the porta potty, if you want me to..
this is a new service im providing in 2012.
alt12 wrote:Jewel Man wrote:actiongrl wrote:The services and cost of running Burning Man definitely do not stay the same. Compare the afterburn reports for some of the complexities. This thing gets more involved and evolved every year, and as awareness has increased, the workload has increased enormously. And supplies, materials, labor etc. are not fixed costs, they are subject to inflation as well.
As I said, inflation is zero and 99% of all BM labor is free. All service providers are dropping their prices just so they have work. Ask any carpenter. Nevada has one of the highest unemployment rates in the states. Yes the total dollars of cost might increase but so does the number of tickets sold so they cancel each other out. The average cost per person does not increase. Stop drinking the Kool Aid. There is a reason the financials of BM are kept top secret to preserve the myth. Face it, we are all puppets of Mr Harvey, aka Gordon Gekko.
According to the grossly manipulated official CPI # as of last week is 3.5%. Calculated using pre-Clinto methodology by the BLS its closer to 7%.
Jewel Man wrote:Ok, here are the facts Kool Aid guzzlers -- the highest tiered ticket price in 2010 was $300 (see BM website). The highest tiered and with the greatest quantity of tickets this year is $390. That represents and increase of 30%, inflation has been 3.5 % per year for the last two years so lets just call it 8% in total. What does the other 22% increase represent? You bunch of suck-ups, it represents unbridled profits. Don't even get me started on the economies of scale and how once you get past 40,000 people how the dollars free fall to the bottom line. Like I said, I'll be there but I'll be there knowing it is a for profit event and wondering with amazement how the BMORG gets all the volunteers to work so hard. Those are the facts -- bitches.
Clar-i-ty wrote:So now I have to give my kids a choice: Christmas or Burning Man.
Clar-i-ty wrote:I'm sorry BMOrg but this new system is still very upsetting.
Basically, people have 4 months from the last burn now to raise money to buy their ticket for the next burn. If you don't have the money in January, right after the holidays, then you're screwed and have to buy tickets at the highest price. So now I have to give my kids a choice: Christmas or Burning Man.
alt12 wrote:It still leaves the question of if I opt for all 3 tiers are they going to run the lottery for tier 3 first and then tier 2 and then tier 1 or will it be tier 1 then tier 2 then tier 3. Obviously that would make a big difference. If they were trying to shake out the tier-3 people first then I probably won't even select tier 3 at all and take my chances with tier 2 or tier 1.
Again, more details would be helpful here to make an informed decision on such a radically different system.
lemur wrote:Clar-i-ty wrote:So now I have to give my kids a choice: Christmas or Burning Man.
your kids cant celebrate the birth of jesus because burning man has change ticketing?!
Clar-i-ty wrote:lemur wrote:Clar-i-ty wrote:So now I have to give my kids a choice: Christmas or Burning Man.
your kids cant celebrate the birth of jesus because burning man has change ticketing?!
We don't celebrate the Christ, just gift giving. Change of perspective is all.
VultureChow wrote:Clar-i-ty wrote:I'm sorry BMOrg but this new system is still very upsetting.
Basically, people have 4 months from the last burn now to raise money to buy their ticket for the next burn. If you don't have the money in January, right after the holidays, then you're screwed and have to buy tickets at the highest price. So now I have to give my kids a choice: Christmas or Burning Man.
The event sold out this year. I think after that, people would know you can't wait until later in the year to purchase tickets.
If they kept it the same way, tickets may have sold out the first week. This method, if anything, seems to favor those who want or need to wait until later in the year.
stretch80 wrote:I don't get the whole: Lets celebrate the birth of someone who was killed by giving gifts - thing
stretch80 wrote:
I don't get the whole: Lets celebrate the birth of someone who was killed by giving gifts - thing
lemur wrote:stretch80 wrote:
I don't get the whole: Lets celebrate the birth of someone who was killed by giving gifts - thing
its a bit more than that.. in fact, i think there is an entire religion with thousands of years of history involved
theCryptofishist wrote:Dang, seems as easy to give gifts at the Vernal Equinox, or some other vaguely random date. Of course, this year some token small things to tide over might be necessary. Or maybe you can make each other things...
Clar-i-ty wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pikz3DMhu54
Clar-i-ty wrote:Clar-i-ty wrote:I'm sorry BMOrg but this new system is still very upsetting.
Basically, people have 4 months from the last burn now to raise money to buy their ticket for the next burn. If you don't have the money in January, right after the holidays, then you're screwed and have to buy tickets at the highest price. So now I have to give my kids a choice: Christmas or Burning Man.
I wait because I don't have that kind of disposable income at the moment. It doesn't mean I'm not gonna hustle like hell to get it, but there's a very good chance I won't be able to. It's an extra $75 a week I have to raise right now. Ah fuck it. If you're not living it I doubt you understand.
I'm not a freeloader, I work my ass off, I do as much as I can. This year that simply may not be enough.
The other interesting thing is that if the system starts with a Tier 1 lottery and moves upward, they likely will not even have enough people left by Tier 3 to sell it out- but still plenty of people who don't get any ticket at all because they posted their highest willing ticket price at Tier 1 or 2, while many people who were willing to pay at Tier 3 got those tickets. This way seems to be most hostile to people who would benefit most from cheaper tickets, who historically knew that they wanted to go to the festival as early as January and got the lower prices first-come-first-serve.
The alternative, if all three tiers are simply "filled in" simultaneously, or filled from Tier 3 down, will mean that picking a higher tier that you're willing to pay will increase your chances of getting a ticket overall but vastly decrease your ability to get the cheaper ticket. This seems more fair somewhat, giving a better chance for people who can only pay for cheaper tickets to get those tickets, but it also encourages a weird sort of gambling.
Davoid wrote:Wow, now I know where to come when I need doses of whining, entitlement, and paranoia.
The prices went up. It sucks.
They changed the ticket system. Change sucks.
Some of the just-released details are slightly confusing. Confusion sucks.
There's a remote chance that if you don't try to get your tickets in December, you'll have to try in January, and then, if by some small chance you don't get in on a couple of those 40,000 tickets available, you'll have to try in March, when there's a remote chance that those will sell out before you buy yours, and then you'll only have the next five months to try to find someone or someone who knows someone who has extra tickets, which, jeez, never happens. Really sucks.
Oh, and the BMORG is money-grubbing, doesn't know what it's doing, doesn't care about the attendees, and produces an event which gets worse by the year. TOTALLY sucks.
Does that about cover all the sucking?
Good, now I can get back to planning for the (optional attendance) event which has fundamentally changed my existence, and continues to do so every year.
lemur wrote:Davoid wrote:Wow, now I know where to come when I need doses of whining, entitlement, and paranoia.
The prices went up. It sucks.
They changed the ticket system. Change sucks.
Some of the just-released details are slightly confusing. Confusion sucks.
There's a remote chance that if you don't try to get your tickets in December, you'll have to try in January, and then, if by some small chance you don't get in on a couple of those 40,000 tickets available, you'll have to try in March, when there's a remote chance that those will sell out before you buy yours, and then you'll only have the next five months to try to find someone or someone who knows someone who has extra tickets, which, jeez, never happens. Really sucks.
Oh, and the BMORG is money-grubbing, doesn't know what it's doing, doesn't care about the attendees, and produces an event which gets worse by the year. TOTALLY sucks.
Does that about cover all the sucking?
Good, now I can get back to planning for the (optional attendance) event which has fundamentally changed my existence, and continues to do so every year.
you forgot that burning man totally ruined christmas this year
Clar-i-ty wrote:VultureChow wrote:Clar-i-ty wrote:I'm sorry BMOrg but this new system is still very upsetting.
Basically, people have 4 months from the last burn now to raise money to buy their ticket for the next burn. If you don't have the money in January, right after the holidays, then you're screwed and have to buy tickets at the highest price. So now I have to give my kids a choice: Christmas or Burning Man.
The event sold out this year. I think after that, people would know you can't wait until later in the year to purchase tickets.
If they kept it the same way, tickets may have sold out the first week. This method, if anything, seems to favor those who want or need to wait until later in the year.
I wait because I don't have that kind of disposable income at the moment. It doesn't mean I'm not gonna hustle like hell to get it, but there's a very good chance I won't be able to. It's an extra $75 a week I have to raise right now. Ah fuck it. If you're not living it I doubt you understand.
I'm not a freeloader, I work my ass off, I do as much as I can. This year that simply may not be enough.
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