Box truck shade structure ideas

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Re: Box truck shade structure ideas

Postby MyDearFriend » Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:05 am

Tamara & Ken made a drive-through Monkey Hut for their Airstream, I can't remember if she posted pictures here or just on facebook, but it looks real good. Monkey Hut is tried and true wind-proof shade. And I can personally assure you that the connectors and tarp for a 25-foot hut will fit in a standard army surplus duffel bag. 8) The long sections of PVC can be pre-ordered for pick up at the big-box home stores. The only headache I had doing a Monkey Hut long distance was with the rebar stakes. If you can sort those somehow then the rest is real easy.
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Re: Box truck shade structure ideas

Postby illy dilly » Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:14 am

MyDearFriend wrote:Tamara & Ken made a drive-through Monkey Hut for their Airstream, I can't remember if she posted pictures here or just on facebook, but it looks real good. Monkey Hut is tried and true wind-proof shade. And I can personally assure you that the connectors and tarp for a 25-foot hut will fit in a standard army surplus duffel bag. 8) The long sections of PVC can be pre-ordered for pick up at the big-box home stores. The only headache I had doing a Monkey Hut long distance was with the rebar stakes. If you can sort those somehow then the rest is real easy.

A monkey hut for a box truck would have to be very very very tall, but do-able.
Sorta like one of these
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Re: Box truck shade structure ideas

Postby junglesmacks » Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:23 am

illy dilly wrote:
MyDearFriend wrote:Tamara & Ken made a drive-through Monkey Hut for their Airstream, I can't remember if she posted pictures here or just on facebook, but it looks real good. Monkey Hut is tried and true wind-proof shade. And I can personally assure you that the connectors and tarp for a 25-foot hut will fit in a standard army surplus duffel bag. 8) The long sections of PVC can be pre-ordered for pick up at the big-box home stores. The only headache I had doing a Monkey Hut long distance was with the rebar stakes. If you can sort those somehow then the rest is real easy.

A monkey hut for a box truck would have to be very very very tall, but do-able.
Sorta like one of these
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Illy.. to answer you before.. I need to make it luggage check-able because I'm flying in as you know, and don't want to have to find someone each year that is willing to lug it back and forth to the play for me. Radical self-reliance and all.

I'm liking the idea of a large reflective tarp with something on top of the truck. Depending on the available space around the truck, I could use rebar or ground augers to secure it and leave a shade space underneath as well. I like the pallet idea as you can find them for free if you look hard enough or for a low price.. then burn after. Pool noodles with PVC in the middle may work as well. In any case, that would be the direction I'm going in believe..

Now.. if I was driving in, I would lovvvvvvve to build a more sturdy structure like the picture..

PS.. nice boat in the picture. If the stripe on the side was aqua, it would look just like mine.. 8)
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Re: Box truck shade structure ideas

Postby illy dilly » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:17 pm

junglesmacks wrote:PS.. nice boat in the picture. If the stripe on the side was aqua, it would look just like mine.. 8)

Let me start by saying.... You fucker!

junglesmacks wrote:Illy.. to answer you before.. I need to make it luggage check-able because I'm flying in as you know, and don't want to have to find someone each year that is willing to lug it back and forth to the play for me. Radical self-reliance and all.

As for the rebar steaks, I wouldn't mind trucking those for you this year. I'd say, play the the steak by ear each year.
Then all you really need is tarp and rope.
Both are relatively light and packable.

What to put on top of the truck is the question. Pallets would work fine. But there has to be something that would be easier to find and ideally, something that would have another purpose between Reno and BRC and then again BRC to Reno.

Maybe even, card board boxes from a liqour store. They are typically pretty sturdy boxes. And would give plenty of space between the top of the truck and the tarp. Closer to the 6-12 inches per FJ's suggestion. They could be used to haul food to the playa, then unpacked.

Then again, there are about 9 months to nail this down.
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Re: Box truck shade structure ideas

Postby ibdave » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:33 pm

I was going to say stick with the blow up ball idea( only inflate 1/2-3/4) this will give ya the air gap you seek. Inner tubes work great also. We (back in the young day) would cover the ski boat and then use wooden ribs that were cut just long and then attached on onside then push up to make the tarp tight. So a smaller version of the monkey hut ribbing could work just right. (note: good tape) So if the box is 10' wide it might need a 12' length to get the air gap ya need.


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another thing. If I was going this year (not going tho) I'd bring ya the PVC you would need. Just like any other fucker on the page... ask...
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Had a figjam cooler in camp and worked great and I'm sure the components could be brought to the Playa for ya...

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Re: Box truck shade structure ideas

Postby mudpuppy000 » Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:57 pm

illy dilly wrote:
What to put on top of the truck is the question. Pallets would work fine. But there has to be something that would be easier to find and ideally, something that would have another purpose between Reno and BRC and then again BRC to Reno.



How about those 5 gallon buckets from home depot. Or some cheap-o storage containers might work too.

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Re: Box truck shade structure ideas

Postby junglesmacks » Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:00 pm

mudpuppy000 wrote:How about those 5 gallon buckets from home depot. Or some cheap-o storage containers might work too.



Ooo. I like that idea. Durable and nice size. I think i could maybe get away with only two.. one at each end..?
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Re: Box truck shade structure ideas

Postby Bob » Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:45 pm

Three. Supporting a 2x4.

This is something you can and probably should try at home, you know.
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Re: Box truck shade structure ideas

Postby illy dilly » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:51 am

junglesmacks wrote:
mudpuppy000 wrote:How about those 5 gallon buckets from home depot. Or some cheap-o storage containers might work too.


Ooo. I like that idea. Durable and nice size. I think i could maybe get away with only two.. one at each end..?

I was thinking 4, one at each corner with something on top of them like rope or a 2x4.
Then I read this...
Bob wrote:Three. Supporting a 2x4.

This is something you can and probably should try at home, you know.

I'm assuming Bob means like a ridge joist, which could work wonderfully... And even better than a flat top if it does rain again.

The more I think about this, it seems like a great idea. You could even do 3 cinder blocks, then lay the 2x4 on top, and just tip tie the 2x4 to the blocks. Shit, even a piece of PVC would work instead of a 2x4.
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Re: Box truck shade structure ideas

Postby cassiepea » Tue Jun 07, 2016 6:32 am

junglesmacks wrote:Ok.. time to start the planning for what I feel is the major gap with the box truck idea: Shade.

Every day between 11am-6pm, the truck is borderline uninhabitable due to primarily the heating of the sheet metal roof. The sides of the truck are fiberglass and are not nearly as much of an issue as the roof which heats to a point of hundreds of degrees and radiates it back inside the truck making it a complete oven.

What I would like to create is a shade structure that is semi-easy to deploy but also.. and here is the catch.. able to be transported via checked baggage on the plane.

My thought is to use some type of PVC/conduit piping as the frame and have the pieces ready to snap together on playa, then bundled up for flying. I could either carry the tarps separate in the suitcase or wrap them around the pieces. This would mean that the total frame assembly could not take up more than 62 linear inches and weigh no more than 70 lbs.

The total area that I need to frame would be the cargo area of a 16' box truck as pictured below.

The box dimensions are: 11' 6" clearance, 7' 5" wide, 16' long.



How did this work out? I'm planning something similar and would love some input from OP or anyone else who shades their box truck :)

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Re: Box truck shade structure ideas

Postby oly14 » Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:42 pm

I built a shade structure last year for a similar sized truck as the OP's. My shade was anything but airplane portable though. I used fence rail to build a 'box' around the truck and planned to cover the top, front and one side with shade cloth (I was worried about the wind load on 30' long tarps; didn't want to buy a bunch of 10 footers).

Unfortunately, my camp didn't save a spot for me to park east-west so I ended up with only one side partially covered with the shade cloth. As I suspected, I needed help putting the thing up. I had an 8' ladder and did a test build before I got to the playa. Even so, 10' sticks of fence rail are unwieldy and the thing was wobbly as it went up. The shade cloth also caught a surprising amount of wind. Despite being ratchet strapped to the truck, the structure still 'flexed' in the wind. Not sure what I'm going to do this year. Despite helping with the heat in the box, I'm not sure I'm up for the assembly/disassembly time.

I'll see if I can find pictures.

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Re: Box truck shade structure ideas

Postby Drawingablank » Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:57 am

I don't cover mine and generally don't find the heat to be an issue as long as the door is open during the day allowing the heated air to escape. Since the ruck is substantially taller than me and the hot air rises I find it rarely gets unbearably warm with the door open, but your mileage may vary.
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Re: Box truck shade structure ideas

Postby junglesmacks » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:05 pm

cassiepea wrote:
junglesmacks wrote:Ok.. time to start the planning for what I feel is the major gap with the box truck idea: Shade.

Every day between 11am-6pm, the truck is borderline uninhabitable due to primarily the heating of the sheet metal roof. The sides of the truck are fiberglass and are not nearly as much of an issue as the roof which heats to a point of hundreds of degrees and radiates it back inside the truck making it a complete oven.

What I would like to create is a shade structure that is semi-easy to deploy but also.. and here is the catch.. able to be transported via checked baggage on the plane.

My thought is to use some type of PVC/conduit piping as the frame and have the pieces ready to snap together on playa, then bundled up for flying. I could either carry the tarps separate in the suitcase or wrap them around the pieces. This would mean that the total frame assembly could not take up more than 62 linear inches and weigh no more than 70 lbs.

The total area that I need to frame would be the cargo area of a 16' box truck as pictured below.

The box dimensions are: 11' 6" clearance, 7' 5" wide, 16' long.



How did this work out? I'm planning something similar and would love some input from OP or anyone else who shades their box truck :)



Honestly, it didn't lower the temp but maybe a couple of degrees and was way more of a hassle than it was worth. No matter what you do, you won't want to be hanging out inside the truck during the day. There really is no way of escaping that without some serious work! However.. that's when you go find a shade structure, hammock or just anything else to do besides sit inside a box truck at 2pm at Burning Man.

I never found it to be a problem. It was fine and comfy when I needed it to be which is bed time :D
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Re: Box truck shade structure ideas

Postby Just_Joe » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:51 pm

Well look who's back,
Coming this year?

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Re: Box truck shade structure ideas

Postby cassiepea » Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:16 am

junglesmacks wrote:
cassiepea wrote:
junglesmacks wrote:Ok.. time to start the planning for what I feel is the major gap with the box truck idea: Shade.

Every day between 11am-6pm, the truck is borderline uninhabitable due to primarily the heating of the sheet metal roof. The sides of the truck are fiberglass and are not nearly as much of an issue as the roof which heats to a point of hundreds of degrees and radiates it back inside the truck making it a complete oven.

What I would like to create is a shade structure that is semi-easy to deploy but also.. and here is the catch.. able to be transported via checked baggage on the plane.

My thought is to use some type of PVC/conduit piping as the frame and have the pieces ready to snap together on playa, then bundled up for flying. I could either carry the tarps separate in the suitcase or wrap them around the pieces. This would mean that the total frame assembly could not take up more than 62 linear inches and weigh no more than 70 lbs.

The total area that I need to frame would be the cargo area of a 16' box truck as pictured below.

The box dimensions are: 11' 6" clearance, 7' 5" wide, 16' long.



How did this work out? I'm planning something similar and would love some input from OP or anyone else who shades their box truck :)



Honestly, it didn't lower the temp but maybe a couple of degrees and was way more of a hassle than it was worth. No matter what you do, you won't want to be hanging out inside the truck during the day. There really is no way of escaping that without some serious work! However.. that's when you go find a shade structure, hammock or just anything else to do besides sit inside a box truck at 2pm at Burning Man.

I never found it to be a problem. It was fine and comfy when I needed it to be which is bed time :D


Thanks for the feedback :) Had already decided to scrap the idea but this just confirms. Since I'm flying in I am not able to build out a plywood back for the box truck, but we are planning to build (and send with a friend driving an RV) a Uni-Cooler. As of right now the plan is to build the cooler to sit on the step into the truck, seal the entire back with 6 mil poly sheeting and have the fan for the cooler blow through a similarly sized hole in the sheeting (that will be affixed flush with the box); along the top of the sheeting I'm going to make a few vents covered with some kind of filter to allow hot air to get out and hopefully minimal dust to get in; will use a zipper door to get in and out, and at night lower the truck door. The poly won't provide any insulation but I want to build a cooler anyway so we're going to give it a shot, maybe will beef up the sheeting with bubble insulation. I'm not expecting amazing results by using this method but figure if a swamp cooler can cool a tent with no insulation this may work?

Our friends have an RV so we'll have a backup for cool space during the day if need be,


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