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FAIL! I'm assuming. Pre-emptive whining starts now!

Postby uncle sticky » Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:50 pm

Since nobody has gotten tickets, that means that nobody hasn't gotten tickets, either. I love the fact that everybody has already condemned to process, and are pissed off about not getting tickets, even though they don't know if they got tickets or not.

If you want to know what's wrong with Burning Man, it's not the ticket process, the newbies, the frat boys or the rave camps. It's the death of the 'can-do" do-ocracy mindset, and its replacement by the kind of hand-wringing and pre-emptive boo-hooing you see here everyday. If you put your faith in a third party bureaucracy to make you happy, you'll be disappointed every time.
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Postby CornMan » Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:54 pm

There's nothing else to talk about on eplaya. Hardly anybody's in the mood to talk about planning art or camp infrastructure for an event they may not go to.
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Postby pink » Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:55 pm

uncle sticky wrote:Since nobody has gotten tickets, that means that nobody hasn't gotten tickets, either. I love the fact that everybody has already condemned to process, and are pissed off about not getting tickets, even though they don't know if they got tickets or not.

If you want to know what's wrong with Burning Man, it's not the ticket process, the newbies, the frat boys or the rave camps. It's the death of the 'can-do" do-ocracy mindset, and its replacement by the kind of hand-wringing and pre-emptive boo-hooing you see here everyday. If you put your faith in a third party bureaucracy to make you happy, you'll be disappointed every time.

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Postby lemur » Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:00 pm

people are pissed off that they arent guaranteed a ticket.


nearly all of the hand wringing and solutions only serve to deal with the specific problems individuals see as being a barrier between them and 100% guarantee of a ticket


until you can be 100% sure that everyone can get a ticket people will come up with all kinds of solutions that work to remove the barriers they see as blocking them from being guaranteed a ticket



(also, some people are merely pissed off that they might have to use a secondary market.. and their solutions work to remove barriers between them and a 100% guarantee that theyll get a ticket from the LLC itself, rather than a scalper/hoarder/STEP program/secondary market)


secretly, im hoping for the worst weather year ever at the burn in 2012.. endless dust storms of 70mph winds, hard rains.. lightning.. just complete natural mayhem.. (all without any injuries of course) thatll teach us what kinda community we are!!
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Postby CornMan » Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:03 pm

lemur wrote:secretly, im hoping for the worst weather year ever at the burn in 2012.. endless dust storms of 70mph winds, hard rains.. lightning.. just complete natural mayhem.. (all without any injuries of course) thatll teach us what kinda community we are!!


They'll just hide away in their RVs.
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Postby lemur » Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:04 pm

Zeke Chaparral wrote:
lemur wrote:secretly, im hoping for the worst weather year ever at the burn in 2012.. endless dust storms of 70mph winds, hard rains.. lightning.. just complete natural mayhem.. (all without any injuries of course) thatll teach us what kinda community we are!!


They'll just hide away in their RVs.


Or pack up and go home?
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Postby CornMan » Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:09 pm

lemur wrote:
Zeke Chaparral wrote:
lemur wrote:secretly, im hoping for the worst weather year ever at the burn in 2012.. endless dust storms of 70mph winds, hard rains.. lightning.. just complete natural mayhem.. (all without any injuries of course) thatll teach us what kinda community we are!!


They'll just hide away in their RVs.


Or pack up and go home?


Only the real burners will go home. It's biased I tell you. But endless, heavy rains would cause flash floods. Those who bring a houseboat/trailer combo will fare the best.

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Postby Ugly Dougly » Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:13 pm

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Postby ontie » Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:14 pm

Does anybody know what time the drawing begins

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Postby ygmir » Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:18 pm

ontie wrote:Does anybody know what time the drawing begins

does anybody really care?
though, I can't imagine why.............
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Postby Sham » Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:20 pm

Hey yag, you from Chicago?

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Postby ygmir » Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:21 pm

back when I was 25, I worked there, 6 to 4, every day.
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Postby ontie » Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:31 pm

Just curious if somebody had to flip a switch or if it started at 12:01. 40,000 credit cards is alot to run in two days

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Postby Sham » Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:41 pm

ygmir wrote:back when I was 25, I worked there, 6 to 4, every day.

Back in the old days. Good times, I remember.

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Postby ygmir » Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:45 pm

Shambala wrote:
ygmir wrote:back when I was 25, I worked there, 6 to 4, every day.

Back in the old days. Good times, I remember.

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Postby lemur » Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:11 pm

the river flowed out towards michigan in those days...
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Postby Sham » Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:23 pm

Even though you're far away, you're on my mind....

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Postby Sham » Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:25 pm

ontie wrote:Just curious if somebody had to flip a switch or if it started at 12:01. 40,000 credit cards is alot to run in two days

Sorry ontie, we were sort of drifting off there. Yes, I have the big red switch right here, and when I flip it, I am going to make the lights at the electric company dim!

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Postby TT120 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:28 pm

ontie wrote:Just curious if somebody had to flip a switch or if it started at 12:01. 40,000 credit cards is alot to run in two days


They'll run them in batches right to the VI, MC, DI, and AX servers. They can do hundreds at a time.
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Postby Marscrumbs » Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:49 pm

What if by luck only sparkle ponies get all the tickets?

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Postby ygmir » Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:56 pm

Shambala wrote:Even though you're far away, you're on my mind....


not so far, we can't spend Saturday, in the park.
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Postby socks » Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:19 pm

Call it what you want.When someone says go to your happy place my mind goes to the playa.This year because some fools idea that this will be better way to sell tickets,I have to count on luck to go to my happy place.Even jack rabbit speaks says we are fucked on the ticket sales because there are more ticket requests than tickets.So they say we can then buy tickets from fellow burners at face value.The key here to this false logic is all the tickets will be bought by the burner community.Is your bull shit alert going off too.This only happens once a year for a week in the world.So if i sound upset and bitter its because i am anytime someone tries to take away my happy place.
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Postby pink » Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:32 pm

Marscrumbs wrote:What if by luck only sparkle ponies get all the tickets?

(vision of thousands of dessicated corpses on the playa wearing colorful bits of fake fur and blinkies. The fur blows slightly in the breeze as they slowly turn white from dust)
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Postby BBadger » Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:36 pm

Marscrumbs wrote:What if by luck only sparkle ponies get all the tickets?


Maybe they'll be the least whiny people at BM this year.
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Postby theCryptofishist » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:16 pm

pink wrote:
Marscrumbs wrote:What if by luck only sparkle ponies get all the tickets?

(vision of thousands of dessicated corpses on the playa wearing colorful bits of fake fur and blinkies. The fur blows slightly in the breeze as they slowly turn white from dust)

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Postby theCryptofishist » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:21 pm

socks wrote:.This year because some fools idea that this will be better way to sell tickets...

Again. There are more people who want to go than there are tickets to sell. This is the llc's best guess (although "guess" implies that they didn't do research, or spend time thinking about different ways, and that is misleading, maybe "informed guess" would be better) of how to make sure that the maximum number of tickets end up in the hands of "burners" rather than with scalpers. It's silly to allow people to take away your inner peace, when it is inside you, and it's silly to not understand something that is causing you pain.
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Postby AntiM » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:23 am

TT120 wrote:
ontie wrote:Just curious if somebody had to flip a switch or if it started at 12:01. 40,000 credit cards is alot to run in two days


They'll run them in batches right to the VI, MC, DI, and AX servers. They can do hundreds at a time.


I'd imagine it will be during business hours, PST. Who would be at HQ at midnight, even for this? Speculating, of course.
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:34 am

since we are talking about speculation....

"Please be aware the ticket are being Speculative Tickets.Speculative
tickets or 'spec tickets' are tickets that are listed for sale or sold
before the seller actually owns the tickets. Listing or selling speculative
... tickets is not permitted. StubHub reserves the right, in its sole
discretion, to remove your listing, cancel a sale, require you to send your
tickets to the Buyer within a specific time after your tickets sell, issue
you a warning, or temporarily or permanently suspend you from using
StubHub's 2012 or Services if it suspects you of listing or selling
speculative tickets."



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Postby ygmir » Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:37 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:since we are talking about speculation....

"Please be aware the ticket are being Speculative Tickets.Speculative
tickets or 'spec tickets' are tickets that are listed for sale or sold
before the seller actually owns the tickets. Listing or selling speculative
... tickets is not permitted. StubHub reserves the right, in its sole
discretion, to remove your listing, cancel a sale, require you to send your
tickets to the Buyer within a specific time after your tickets sell, issue
you a warning, or temporarily or permanently suspend you from using
StubHub's 2012 or Services if it suspects you of listing or selling
speculative tickets."



make your whine count...Make stubhub and others adhere to their own policy.



dang, I had to read that twice, I thought your were saying "Speculum tickets".
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Postby GT3000 » Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:49 am

I have never posted on here before, just kept tabs on the comings and goings on the board pre burning. But after what has happened to me in the last 24 hours, I feel this is the only place I can vent. Yesterday afternoon, the lovely people at Amex called me, asking about strange purchases on my card. They were not mine. Someone had got a hold of my card details. I was then told my card would have to be cancelled, even after begging them to leave it open (understandbly they had to cancel the card). So now, because of this ridiculous lottery and because of how late in the day it is, I will not be able to get both mine and my friends ticket at a possibly reduced rate. Livid does not even come close to describing how I feel!!!! My card is blocked, if BM try to take money, it will decline...I will not get my tickets now. First come, first serve....WHAT ON EARTH IS WRONG WITH THAT METHOD?!?!?!? You have your details, the site opens, you buy tickets and you're done!!!! I am so unbelievable gutted and its not only my ticket, but its also my friends....I wish like others, we had both requested tickets now like so many others, that way we could at least stand a chance at getting hold of some.


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