How it works when I talk about the lottery with angry people

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:08 am

wh..sh wrote:
lemur wrote:i want to have your babies.

or give you a blowjob.

(do you have any extra tickets, btw?)
Boy, if I had babies and gave blowjobs to everyone who makes flow chart...

edit for additional information: My office is full of flow chart makers

*frantically searching for drafting equipment*

Dr. Pyro · Post by **Dr. Pyro** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:09 am

remi · Post by **remi** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:20 am

Savannah wrote: . . . I wonder how much more tickets would cost if the Org had to be ready to reassign names every time someone wanted to sell? . . .

The tickets shouldn't cost any more because they would have to sell through STEP, and the re-stocking fee would cover such charges.

EDIT: Love the flow chart.

bittermac · Post by **bittermac** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:00 pm

I wrote a blog awhile back, taking a bunch of odd stuff and claiming that the Burn was over. Yuk yuk and ripped apart in Eplaya.
Now, not so sure, the logic holds and the Burn may be morphing into something else.
Check here. http://alturl.com/2675u

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:30 pm

marcgorcey wrote:It has the potential to be a total cloisterfock, sure.

The monks will not be happy...

marcgorcey wrote:As for capacity, there isn't any reason to assume that ticket transfers would happen frequently.../quote]
Ouch! I think it already happens frequently. Certainly I've bought a ticket from a friend and sold one to another friend. And I've been gifted. There isn't any reason to assume that ticket transfers wouldn't happen frequently, multiple on one ticket. And I cannot imagine the screaming from the people who are involved in ticket transfers. We can't impliment a solution in which we cherry pick limitations based on what we want to happen. We have to start with real world activity, not a happy fairy tale.

marcgorcey · Post by **marcgorcey** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:43 pm

theCryptofishist wrote: Ouch! I think it already happens frequently. Certainly I've bought a ticket from a friend and sold one to another friend. And I've been gifted. There isn't any reason to assume that ticket transfers wouldn't happen frequently, multiple on one ticket. And I cannot imagine the screaming from the people who are involved in ticket transfers. We can't impliment a solution in which we cherry pick limitations based on what we want to happen. We have to start with real world activity, not a happy fairy tale.

Ok. But taking average # of transfers, and considering that this would happen over weeks and months before the burn - and not all at once - it's not a lot of load on a server.

The big server load always happens/happened when a bunch of people hit the server at once, right ?

The big drawback would be that you couldn't buy "maybe" tickets - i.e. unnamed tickets - for those who might or might not come. And - and this is a big one - you wouldn't be able to get a ticket at all once it finally and completely sold out, at least until other people sold their tickets back.

7chix&me · Post by **7chix&me** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:48 pm

A Jester wrote:
7chix&me wrote:
lemur wrote:i want to have your babies.

or give you a blowjob.

(do you have any extra tickets, btw?)
This is wildly inappropriate and off-topic! I think we should start another thread--"Tickets for Blow-jobs (or babies)"
Ahem, this offering me blowjobs is NEVER off topic.

Point taken!

A Jester · Post by **A Jester** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:20 pm

alt12 wrote:
A Jester wrote:
Now if only I could arm myself with more puppies.

a) So easy to put out a smug little flow-chart about how everyone who doesn't like the ticketing process is an idiot when you automatically get a ticket and don't actually have to go through said ticketing process....

b) by definition this has been a disaster purely in terms of public perception and public relations.

c) no guarantee that the "super scalpers" wouldn't just be sitting in BMORG's "Im too cheap to hire a real ticketing company plus Inticketing's founder is a friend of mine" slow-ass overloaded web servers with the rest of us

d) Any system gamed so badly and so easily is by definition not a good or fair system.

a) entered the lottery for one ticket, got one ticket.

b) agreed

c) I would have to assume that the super scalpers would definitely be sitting in line. That's one of my points. Typo or do I misunderstand you?

d) interesting philosophical point. I guess I'll skip debating what "fair" is, and simply say that if the vast majority of the tickets ended up in the hands of burners (not speculators) than the system is "good" enough for me.

moonwatcher · Post by **moonwatcher** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:12 pm

A Jester wrote:
d) interesting philosophical point. I guess I'll skip debating what "fair" is, and simply say that if the vast majority of the tickets ended up in the hands of burners (not speculators) than the system is "good" enough for me.

Hello A Jester,
You really can't skip debating what's "fair" if you want to avoid the PR fiasco. Allowing some folks to game the system (even if many of them are well-intentioned) while others are left holding an empty bag because they believed that fair play was built into the system is a source of, well, for lack of a better word, "evil." Look at Wall Street...

The CO · Post by **The CO** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:12 pm

moonwatcher wrote:Allowing some folks to game the system (even if many of them are well-intentioned) while others are left holding an empty bag because they believed that fair play was built into the system is a source of, well, for lack of a better word, "evil." Look at Wall Street...

No. Bollocks. Anyone is allowed to enter. The number of ticket is less than the number of people that want to go. It sucks. Deal with it.

You just compared burning man with wall street. Fuck off. Did you even introduce yourself yet?

The "occupy black rock thread is somewhere else... with the rest of the bullshit idea threads at the bottom of the pile I think.

Tell ya what. If your next post is an introduction in the correct forum, we'll forget this and start over. Fair deal?

Jackass · Post by **Jackass** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:21 pm

SAY WHAT AGAIN!!

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monsta2ownzu · Post by **monsta2ownzu** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:47 am

Enforced step = no more scalpers. Which would be awesome!

Problem is, no one really knows who's got the tickets .... only time will tell.

flightless · Post by **flightless** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:53 am

I just want to say that I *totally* complained about the Glastonbury ticketing system. This was way easier on my personal psyche, even though I didn't get any tickets, than sitting there on the computer trying to hit the queue at the exact stroke of noon.

The CO · Post by **The CO** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:24 am

I wrote:Tell ya what. If your next post is an introduction in the correct forum, we'll forget this and start over. Fair deal?

My mistake. I see that you did introduce yourself. I'm sorry about that.

A Jester · Post by **A Jester** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:00 am

moonwatcher wrote:
A Jester wrote:
d) interesting philosophical point. I guess I'll skip debating what "fair" is, and simply say that if the vast majority of the tickets ended up in the hands of burners (not speculators) than the system is "good" enough for me.
Hello A Jester,
You really can't skip debating what's "fair" if you want to avoid the PR fiasco. Allowing some folks to game the system (even if many of them are well-intentioned) while others are left holding an empty bag because they believed that fair play was built into the system is a source of, well, for lack of a better word, "evil." Look at Wall Street...

Well, "not causing a PR disaster" probably doesn't always equate "fair" with me, but I'll take your point. I think "evil" is taking it a bit far, though.

I think I stand by my earlier point, if most of the tickets ended up in the hands of Burners, this system was "good enough" for me.

marcgorcey · Post by **marcgorcey** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:48 am

A Jester wrote:
Well, "not causing a PR disaster" probably doesn't always equate "fair" with me, but I'll take your point. I think "evil" is taking it a bit far, though.

I think I stand by my earlier point, if most of the tickets ended up in the hands of Burners, this system was "good enough" for me.

Agreed that 'evil' is completely overstating it... Not sure about the "if"....

BUT -> the BMORG isn't McDonalds, they're our playa providers so don't yell at them if your Happy Meal isn't exactly as you want it. Then again, if I don't get *any* Happy Meal, I won't... be.... happy... and I might ask some questions as to WTF happened - in a NICE way ! ( Sorry, I am Canadian. )

Post by **trilobyte** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:50 am

Personally speaking, I'm all for 'PR disaster' or anything else that may lessen demand. Shocked? Outraged? Not even sure you still want to go because all this has put such a bad taste in your mouth? By all means, sit this one out and pass on your tickets to someone else in the community.

alt12 · Post by **alt12** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:58 pm

trilobyte wrote:Personally speaking, I'm all for 'PR disaster' or anything else that may lessen demand. Shocked? Outraged? Not even sure you still want to go because all this has put such a bad taste in your mouth? By all means, sit this one out and pass on your tickets to someone else in the community.

Ah, well that is an interesting point. Psychologically speaking, those with lower frustration tolerances, higher levels of latent anger, and/or greater quantities of entitlement might self-select out of the event due to this process. That would be a boon for sure!

Cheeserino · Post by **Cheeserino** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:01 pm

Personally speaking, I'm all for 'PR disaster' or anything else that may lessen demand. Shocked? Outraged? Not even sure you still want to go because all this has put such a bad taste in your mouth? By all means, sit this one out and pass on your tickets to someone else in the community.

Maybe it's time you considered stepping down as a PR man for the Burning Man organization, since your opinion is that creating a "PR disaster" is a good thing. Time to let some new blood who actually cares about outcomes do it.

A Jester · Post by **A Jester** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:37 pm

Cheeserino wrote:
Personally speaking, I'm all for 'PR disaster' or anything else that may lessen demand. Shocked? Outraged? Not even sure you still want to go because all this has put such a bad taste in your mouth? By all means, sit this one out and pass on your tickets to someone else in the community.
Maybe it's time you considered stepping down as a PR man for the Burning Man organization, since your opinion is that creating a "PR disaster" is a good thing. Time to let some new blood who actually cares about outcomes do it.

Seriously, with love and support like this, how could you be anything but a bastion of positiveness?

@Cheese, it's a doacracy. So, instead of telling him how he's doing it wrong, go volunteer to do a better job yourself.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:32 pm

Cheeserino wrote:
Personally speaking, I'm all for 'PR disaster' or anything else that may lessen demand. Shocked? Outraged? Not even sure you still want to go because all this has put such a bad taste in your mouth? By all means, sit this one out and pass on your tickets to someone else in the community.
Maybe it's time you considered stepping down as a PR man for the Burning Man organization, since your opinion is that creating a "PR disaster" is a good thing. Time to let some new blood who actually cares about outcomes do it.

In the six months or so that trilobyte has been the lead mod for this board, I have to say that the idea that he doesn't care is laughable. He cares enough to spend hours every day trying to make sure this board runs. Oh fuck it, you wouldn't understand anyway...

*flipper, flipper, faster than lightening...*

BBadger · Post by **BBadger** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:12 pm

Cheeserino wrote:
Personally speaking, I'm all for 'PR disaster' or anything else that may lessen demand. Shocked? Outraged? Not even sure you still want to go because all this has put such a bad taste in your mouth? By all means, sit this one out and pass on your tickets to someone else in the community.
Maybe it's time you considered stepping down as a PR man for the Burning Man organization, since your opinion is that creating a "PR disaster" is a good thing. Time to let some new blood who actually cares about outcomes do it.

Oh right, let's have our mods become:

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Just because trilo isn't paying lip-service to the kind of deluded people who think mods should function as pointless PR mouthpieces doesn't mean he isn't a great mod, or doesn't care about real things ("outcomes") that matter. We should fear the day that mods are forced to spew propaganda and act as "damage control" for the BMOrg. The mods here would probably quit before debasing themselves to that level.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:14 pm

Nicely put, BBadger.

lemur · Post by **lemur** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:40 pm

"My feelings - as usual - we will slaughter them all" -baghdad bob

we dont want the AS USUAL reply!!

trilo kicks ass and i dont see the rest of the moderation team as towing the company line at all.. which is goodnews

I think some people just see 'MODERATOR' on eplaya and suppose an LLC shill.. they assume that the persons real opinion isnt theirs... uhm, no, i dont think thats how this eplaya thing works.. or the organization in general... i bet even larry H thinks larry H is a bit of an airhead sometimes!

Cheeserino · Post by **Cheeserino** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:31 pm

no surprise the current crop of regulars the lack of real moderation enables post to support the current lame regime. Where's the insider jokes and lame innuendo you guys usually espouse?

Finnegan · Post by **Finnegan** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:54 pm

Watch as I completely ignore the point of this thread..

What was heretofore an organic entity, with x% of newcomers and y% of returning 'veterans', has now become an inorganic, manufactured community. Someone, somewhere now has to decide who gets in, and devise a system to allow that to happen.

So, now that we are faced with having to cobble this thing together, on purpose, we have to decide what (if there is one) is the optimal proportion of burgins to vets. Somewhere in the rantfest was a great suggestion: Aim for approximately 2/3 vets and 1/3 noobs. That seems about right to me. The ranter went on: the vets get to do the first-come-first-burn system we have all come to know and love. The noobs get to endure the trials and tribulations of the lottery.

One more off topic point. There has been a lot of talk about the destruction of our beloved theme camps. The first year I attended was the Year of the Bad Weather. Sure, there were plenty of registered theme camps, all set up and ready to go, sort of. But the cold, rain and wind shuttered their doors. Was bm still awesome? Yes. Because of the art. So I would propose some sort of system to encourage the artists to get past this pr fiasco, secure tickets for themselves and crews, and make this art festival what it can be.

Awesome.

knowmad · Post by **knowmad** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:57 pm

BBadger · Post by **BBadger** » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:28 am

Cheeserino wrote:no surprise the current crop of regulars the lack of real moderation enables post to support the current lame regime. Where's the insider jokes and lame innuendo you guys usually espouse?

And "cute little jabs" and "one-liners" too right? Did you just copy and paste that retort?

No doubt this is not the first time you've been the self-dubbed "victim" of forum regulars especially if you're creating accounts for the sole purpose of saying a mod should step down.

So I'm just going to assume you're a failed troll and leave it at that.

lemur · Post by **lemur** » Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:42 am

the mods should step down with bbadger and i taking their place.

Post by **AntiM** » Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:18 am

lemur wrote:the mods should step down with bbadger and i taking their place.

What are you, some sort of masochist? Modding isn't even remotely fun most of the time. People, even eplayans, can be real assholes.

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