Fortress USA!

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:41 am

You know what's funny about you 2 is a long time ago I always thought you guys were on the same side of the fence.

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:50 am

Force wrote:

Jackass.

and:

Ya Doofus.

Sounds like it's time for a good ol' Finnish Fish Fight. Slapping each other with dead cod (or, my favorite, mackerel) always puts things in perspective.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:54 am

samtzu wrote:Force wrote:
Jackass.
and:
Ya Doofus.
Sounds like it's time for a good ol' Finnish Fish Fight. Slapping each other with dead cod (or, my favorite, mackerel) always puts things in perspective.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:55 am

Force wrote:I've offered plenty of solutions, but typically, you refuse to acknowledge them, so why should I bother?

Solutions? I did a search of your posts, didn't find them... i must need glasses... or you could send links to all the proposals you claim to have posted.

why should you bother? your credibility or lack thereof is why you should bother.

DVD... we are on the same side... the side of freedom of speech... however some of us understand their is a price to pay for such freedoms... and it is sometimes best not to break the bank by saying things without reflecting on the consequences.

Force · Post by **Force** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:48 am

Simply Joel wrote:
Force wrote:I've offered plenty of solutions, but typically, you refuse to acknowledge them, so why should I bother?
Solutions? I did a search of your posts, didn't find them... i must need glasses... or you could send links to all the proposals you claim to have posted.

why should you bother? your credibility or lack thereof is why you should bother.

I'll do that when you actually respond to my point (on which I have you dead to rights, btw) as to why the first post on this thread isn't a blatant misrepresentation of what I said, or an apology and acknowledgment that it is.

Force · Post by **Force** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:06 am

***enjoys the silence, broken only by the gentle sound of a breeze whispering through the trees...***

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:16 am

Force wrote:
Simply Joel wrote:
Force wrote:I've offered plenty of solutions, but typically, you refuse to acknowledge them, so why should I bother?
Solutions? I did a search of your posts, didn't find them... i must need glasses... or you could send links to all the proposals you claim to have posted.

why should you bother? your credibility or lack thereof is why you should bother.
I'll do that when you actually respond to my point (on which I have you dead to rights, btw) as to why the first post on this thread isn't a blatant misrepresentation of what I said, or an apology and acknowledgment that it is.

Alright, I have to say something here. The initial post he made wasn't a fucking misrepresentation because he CUT AND PASTED YOUR EXACT WORDS!!!!!!!! I remember your post because I replied to it sarcasticly on the thread it was originally posted to. You never followed up your post to say, "I'm not advocating complete seclusion of the USA." There was also no lead-in to your posting. The problem is, whenever you go off the hinge with some wild proclaimation- you can't handle when someone challenges you. Even now, in the face of a pretty obvious unthinking post, you are still absolutely 100% right (in your own mind). If you didn't mean to imply cutting off the USA from the rest of the world, what the hell did your post really mean?

It reminds me of when we were discussing electronic voting and I challenged you to provide data on some of the protocols involved. I asked for physical layer data, and you responded with a cryptology system involved the entire OSI model (I asked for an apple and you replied with a brick- it wasn't even a semi-close comparison). At which point I gave up. It's hard to have conversations with people that either a) don't understand what you're talking about or b) have lost touch with reality. Either way, you don't seem to have the ability to ever be wrong.

I know, I know, tell me I'm wrong and send me a link to salmon poaching as proof. You win again. Enjoy.

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:35 am

Did someone say Salmon???

Salmon fight!!!!

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:50 am

samtzu wrote:Did someone say Salmon???

Salmon fight!!!!

completely off thread... i like smoked salmon.

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:51 am

Simply Joel wrote:
samtzu wrote:Did someone say Salmon???

Salmon fight!!!!
completely off thread... i like smoked salmon.

As a WMD, hand to hand fighting weapon, or appetizer?

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 12:00 pm

Rob the Wop wrote:
Simply Joel wrote:
samtzu wrote:Did someone say Salmon???

Salmon fight!!!!
completely off thread... i like smoked salmon.
As a WMD, hand to hand fighting weapon, or appetizer?

genetically altered dyed-red salmon can be considered wmd on the people

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 12:09 pm

Rob the Wop wrote:
Simply Joel wrote:
samtzu wrote:Did someone say Salmon???

Salmon fight!!!!
completely off thread... i like smoked salmon.
As a WMD, hand to hand fighting weapon, or appetizer?

initially an appetizer, once digested hand to hand fighting weapon AND WMD (waste of mutual disgust)

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:32 pm

Joel wrote:

Rob the Wop wrote:

Simply Joel wrote:
samtzu wrote: completely off thread... i like smoked salmon.
As a WMD, hand to hand fighting weapon, or appetizer?
initially an appetizer, once digested hand to hand fighting weapon AND WMD (waste of mutual disgust)

That is the beauty of salmon... it is all three!! It's the Swiss Army knife of dead fish.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:44 pm

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:49 pm

dead salmon, defending the USA...

Force · Post by **Force** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 3:28 pm

Simply Joel wrote:
Force wrote:When will people wake up and realize that the reason we don't have our borders sealed is because they WANT us to get hit, which will create MORE fear, which will enable them to pass even more laws allowing them to spy on us and siphon off more money into the war machine?

Why do people actually believe that these scoundrels CARE about them, when in actuality we are nothing more than pawns and pocketbooks to them?

Or do they actually believe that these clowns really give a shit about joe-bob living in the trailer park? Please.

And left our flank (America) undefended. Why? Why are our borders neglected while at the airports people have to take off their shoes, endure rigorous screening, etc.?

I'll tell you why- the only explanation that makes sense is that the power elite, or the military/industrial complex, or whatever you want to call it, WANTS us to be hit again, so they can have an excuse to send our sons and brothers and friends to die so that they can control an oil-producing country.
http://eplaya.burningman.org/viewtopic. ... 0&start=75

So folks, should the USA become a fortress as Force asserts?

your thoughts?

If you think these words mean I think we should seal our borders completely, then you are too stupid to be worth arguing with.

Probably even too stupid to have a salmon fight with.

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:24 pm

Force wrote:

If you think these words mean I think we should seal our borders completely, then you are too stupid to be worth arguing with.

Come on, Force! Call him a poopy-head!!!

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:50 pm

Force wrote: If you think these words mean I think we should seal our borders completely, then you are too stupid to be worth arguing with.

Probably even too stupid to have a salmon fight with.

Sssooo, you make the case that the American (USA) people should acknowledge that the (loosely defined) power elite don't seal our borders in order to gain financially from terrorist acts. (Your words, with the bullshit pulled out to extract the meat). You use negative connotations throughout your tirade, so the implication is that you disagree with this process. Is this correct? Yes? Then let's proceed.

So logically if you think that this is the case- then you feel that the power elite should seal our borders to prevent terrorism. (inverse)

You then compare my IQ with a dead salmon.

I'm assuming you are spending all your free time giving dead fish IQ tests for comparison uses, because you sure as hell aren't using it to read logic textbooks. Fitting really, good use for someone with your intellectual abilities.

This is just another case of a loss of touch with reality, happening once again. You may now put the tinfoil hat back on and babble incoherently.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:04 pm

Rob the Wop wrote:
I'm assuming you are spending all your free time giving dead fish IQ tests for comparison uses, because you sure as hell aren't using it to read logic textbooks. Fitting really, good use for someone with your intellectual abilities.

that was really funny.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 6:18 pm

ya kno, i may have started this little mess... and know reading after oh so many beers this thread... i have come to the fleeting conclusion that i am fucking burning man weird.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 6:27 pm

oh oh here I go again inadvertantly seeking the wrath of conservative burners (no offence Joel, pardon the pun) but I think we ought to divide america into 3 parts (galia est divisa in tres partes, remember my Latin friends?) the 2 coasts would be outer america 1 & 2 and the middle would be "middle america" the conservatives could have the middle, and the intellectuals , the coasts. Drugs and weird sex would be permissable on the coasts, and middle americans would have to pay steep tolls to cross into "our" lands. All foreign policy decisions as would electing a president reside with the coasts. Middle america could decide farm policy. Immigrants, both legal and illegal, would have a choice as to which america they cared to belong to. (if they're smart, they'll go with the coasts). Christianity can be the chief religion of the middle (excepting what native americans living there would want) while the coasts could have zen, judaism, budhism, hinduism, paganism, confuciousism, zoroastrianism, native americanism, atheism, pantheism, platonic love, free sex, yoga, new ageism, extraterresialism all other isms and the green party.
So there Fortress Americans... how's that for a final solution?

(please don't pm me with your responses)

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 6:54 pm

cowboyangel wrote:oh oh here I go again inadvertantly seeking the wrath of conservative burners (no offence Joel, pardon the pun) but I think we ought to divide america into 3 parts (galia est divisa in tres partes, remember my Latin friends?) the 2 coasts would be outer america 1 & 2 and the middle would be "middle america" the conservatives could have the middle, and the intellectuals , the coasts. Drugs and weird sex would be permissable on the coasts, and middle americans would have to pay steep tolls to cross into "our" lands. All foreign policy decisions as would electing a president reside with the coasts. Middle america could decide farm policy. Immigrants, both legal and illegal, would have a choice as to which america they cared to belong to. (if they're smart, they'll go with the coasts). Christianity can be the chief religion of the middle (excepting what native americans living there would want) while the coasts could have zen, judaism, budhism, hinduism, paganism, confuciousism, zoroastrianism, native americanism, atheism, pantheism, platonic love, free sex, yoga, new ageism, extraterresialism all other isms and the green party.
So there Fortress Americans... how's that for a final solution?

(please don't pm me with your responses)

where do i begin?

please note i am laughing maniacally...

CA, actually illustrates what most conservatives already feel is happening... nicely done.

and "final solution" sounds vaguley "facist" to me, if i might add.

Force · Post by **Force** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:42 am

Rob the Wop wrote:
Force wrote: If you think these words mean I think we should seal our borders completely, then you are too stupid to be worth arguing with.

Probably even too stupid to have a salmon fight with.
Sssooo, you make the case that the American (USA) people should acknowledge that the (loosely defined) power elite don't seal our borders in order to gain financially from terrorist acts. (Your words, with the bullshit pulled out to extract the meat). You use negative connotations throughout your tirade, so the implication is that you disagree with this process. Is this correct? Yes? Then let's proceed.

So logically if you think that this is the case- then you feel that the power elite should seal our borders to prevent terrorism. (inverse)

You then compare my IQ with a dead salmon.

I'm assuming you are spending all your free time giving dead fish IQ tests for comparison uses, because you sure as hell aren't using it to read logic textbooks. Fitting really, good use for someone with your intellectual abilities.

This is just another case of a loss of touch with reality, happening once again. You may now put the tinfoil hat back on and babble incoherently.

Your either/or logic doesn't fit reality.

Why must I be for sealing our borders because I use that missing indicator to show that our government is full of crap? I guess I was too subtle for you and joel, and expected that you would get the message without me having to spell out every little detail to you.

Rob the Wop wrote:It reminds me of when we were discussing electronic voting and I challenged you to provide data on some of the protocols involved. I asked for physical layer data, and you responded with a cryptology system involved the entire OSI model (I asked for an apple and you replied with a brick- it wasn't even a semi-close comparison). At which point I gave up. It's hard to have conversations with people that either a) don't understand what you're talking about or b) have lost touch with reality. Either way, you don't seem to have the ability to ever be wrong.

I know, I know, tell me I'm wrong and send me a link to salmon poaching as proof. You win again. Enjoy.

Talk about illogical- you seem to feel unless I understand how something works, I can have no credible opinion about it. Like for instance unless I could explain the combustion engine, my opinion that some people will drive cars drunk is totally invalid.

So, sorry, you're probably still pissed that I spanked your ass in our debate over electronic voting, but don't let your resentment color your evaluation of what I'm saying. There's more at stake than your fragile ego.

Oh, and btw, I still reject your trying to play the superior technological knowledge card. The fact that I don't know every line of code involved in electronic voting machines doesn't change the fact that the technology does exist to subvert and control the outcome, and the absolute fact that where there exists a way for evil men to rig elections, they WILL do so.

You argued then that it was IMPOSSIBLE (or damned near) for electronic voting machines to be corrupted, (in the face of much evidence to the contrary) so howsabout YOU explain why it's so friggin impossible?

Joel, I'm still waiting for that explanation or the apology.

Be a man, don't make me add that line to my sig...

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:57 am

<sigh>

Take some meds and read a book already. I'm not going to walk you down the path of how to dissect an argument, nor how an electronic voting machine can be made to be not worth the trouble to rig. Both require a basic understanding of logic and/or technology.

Of course, all powerful evil men can do anything, right? This can be refered to as 'playing the God card'. Or, in your case, simple paranoia.

Hey, I already said you won the argument. Enjoy the warmth that this gives your tiny, twisted mind.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:02 am

Well shit.......

You guys kinda petered out there kinda a bit.

That last part was'nt funny.

Darn.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:29 am

Force wrote:Joel, I'm still waiting for that explanation or the apology.

don't hold your breath, you will turn blue.

no apology, no explanation... because i doubt you would comprehend either.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:36 am

i am really puzzled....

explanation of what?

apology for what?

too early, no coffee yet...

i woke up for this?

buckethead alien · Post by **buckethead alien** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:40 am

Hey Joel, et.al. Time's cover story this week has some pretty scary stats about the border with Mexico. Budget cuts, money diverted to Iraq, etc., have left some posts unmanned. A old problem, yes, but the main point of the story is that tightened airport security may lead potential foreign terrorists to pass through our wide-open backdoor. Time lays a lot of the blame at the feet of corporate agribusiness, which is dependent on the cheap labor of illegal immigrants.

From the article:

<i>The U.S.'s borders, rather than becoming more secure since 9/11, have grown even more porous. And the trend has accelerated in the past year. It's fair to estimate, based on a TIME investigation, that the number of illegal aliens flooding into the U.S. this year will total 3 million—enough to fill 22,000 Boeing 737-700 airliners, or 60 flights every day for a year. It will be the largest wave since 2001 and roughly triple the number of immigrants who will come to the U.S. by legal means. (No one knows how many illegals are living in the U.S., but estimates run as high as 15 million.)</i>

Trans Venus Flytrap · Post by **Trans Venus Flytrap** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 5:00 am

Oh what a terribly depressing thing to see so much flaming and so many bad vibes floating about on this forum - wheres all the love hey?

Trans Venus Flytrap (formerly Chimp, before my reincarnation, he he he)

Buckethead...that rhyme of yours makes me supect that you used to be a rather groovy fsihheaded thing no?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 5:46 am

Bwwwwwaaaaaa ha ha ha.......Hey Chimp. Defacto here.

Great to hear from you. We need to hear from you more often.

Like the new name by the way.

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