HELP us find ways of getting to B-man.

scotia · Post by **scotia** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:45 pm

Your advice is crucial.

It isn’t about making the right decision but finding new expressions, a broadening of the understanding of the human experience.

So much time is spent searching for truth, for love, for moments of clarity where something holy happens; these words are dedicated to those moments, and those that can help us.

We are in search of peace with the universe including with our self, our love, our family and everyone we meet.

Humbled, we ask for your help. We need to raise enough tp get us to and in to La Playa from Toronto.

The impossibility of this (going) is a possibility, but the possibility is never impossible.

Our time there will be a meditation on gratitude through personally thanking those who help us to get there and in every way thankful to everything.

There is no sponsorship too small:

paypal: [email protected]
contact: [email protected]
[email protected]
Tel. 905 615 8502

By helping us achieve this monumental goal we can also offer trades in architecture design and insight.

All donations will be returned if goal is not accomplished.

We hope to see you on the PLaya.

Manuel & Camille

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 1:16 pm

You are aware that self-sufficiency is an important part of BM, no? I just don't have it in me today to be (too) cruel, but I gotta say, "Jesus H. Christ, I can't believe you're asking for this 3 days before the frickin' event". Way to plan ahead. Bet you would have been real useful to have around out there, too.

OK, enough of the cruelty, no matter how much you asked for it.

There are plenty of burners who deserve to be there, and should be there, but for various reasons, aren't gonna be there. And I see there's a common thread among those deserving-but-not-gonna-make-it-this-year types, too. Wanna know what they're doing right this minute? They're planning and working for '05. I shit you not...

I see a another common thread among them: they are self-sufficient.

Shit, If anyone has that kind of charity to throw around, go for it...

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 1:59 pm

Ya' need to stop smokin' that stuff... it's hurting your thought process.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:26 pm

scotia wrote:Your advice is crucial.

It is worth what it costs you to get it.

scotia wrote:It isn’t about making the right decision but finding new expressions, a broadening of the understanding of the human experience.

Unfortunately, life is about making the right decision... and it helps if they are made at the right time too.

scotia wrote:So much time is spent searching for truth, for love, for moments of clarity where something holy happens; these words are dedicated to those moments, and those that can help us.

Uh Oh... here comes the pitch.

scotia wrote:We are in search of peace with the universe including with our self, our love, our family and everyone we meet.

Well, sure, aren't we all...

scotia wrote:Humbled, we ask for your help. We need to raise enough tp get us to and in to La Playa from Toronto.

Oops... this is where our paths part.

scotia wrote:The impossibility of this (going) is a possibility, but the possibility is never impossible.

It would be more possible if you sponsored yourself.

scotia wrote:Our time there will be a meditation on gratitude through personally thanking those who help us to get there and in every way thankful to everything.

Sorry, I am way full on gratitude and way low on funding your little experience.

scotia wrote:There is no sponsorship too small:

How about 0, nothing, nada... Gee, I feel way helpful now.

scotia wrote:paypal: [email protected]
contact: [email protected]
[email protected]
Tel. 905 615 8502

crank calls anyone?

scotia wrote:By helping us achieve this monumental goal we can also offer trades in architecture design and insight.

Refer to response #1... it is worth what it costs you to get.

scotia wrote:All donations will be returned if goal is not accomplished.

Uh Huh.

scotia wrote:We hope to see you on the PLaya.

Manuel & Camille

Uh Huh.

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:32 pm

Wow.

I actually refrained from flaming them as it just wasn't worth it.

Sensei actually did it. This really does read as bad as I thought.

People, people. They didn't read the ticket because they don't have one. How are they going to know that they need to be self-reliant until someone buys them tickets, gets them a ride, food, water, costumes, etc.- so they can get to the playa and find out that they should have done it themselves?

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:51 pm

We need to raise enough tp get us to and in to La Playa from Toronto.

I just ran out of tp too! Frustrating isn't it! I called my boyfriend in town and asked him to pick some up. I'm sure we'll have an extra roll I could mail you, but I'm afraid it won't make it there in time. I will, however, bring some extra with me, so if you do make it, I'll give it to you there.

Good luck, and thanks for the reminder to bring extra tp!

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 4:30 pm

Rob the Wop wrote:I actually refrained from flaming them as it just wasn't worth it... Sensei actually did it...

I FEEL SO DAMNED ASHAMED!

You guys buyin' that? No? You know me better than I thought. Bastards.

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:18 pm

scotia,

i advise you to go...

let go of the illusion of 'impossibility'...

be creative...

be aware of serendipity...

be one-pointed in your thoughts and actions...

see you on the playa,
~elf

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:26 pm

Let go of the idea that you need a ticket.

Let go of the idea that you need food, water and shelter.

Let go of the idea that you're in the middle of the fuckin' desert.

Just remember to make me the sole beneficiary if you have a life insurance policy.

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:51 pm

Sensei wrote:Let go of the idea that you need a ticket.

Let go of the idea that you need food, water and shelter.

Let go of the idea that you're in the middle of the fuckin' desert.

Just remember to make me the sole beneficiary if you have a life insurance policy.

Let go of the idea that Sensei should be the sole beneficiary. Sensei will squander it on drugs and flashy things.

Me, on the other hand, will spend it solely on charity*. Trust the Wop.

*Oregon Non-Native Furback Bubbling Multi-Jet Wetlands Sanctuary.

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 6:05 pm

two months ago i was living in a monastery...

i had been a monk for about a year, and had no money, no transportation, and no logical way to go from where i was to burningman...

but i knew i was meant to go home this year...

so i:

Let go of the idea that you need a ticket.

Let go of the idea that you need food, water and shelter.

Let go of the idea that you're in the middle of the fuckin' desert.

and acted from simply knowing that i was meant to be at burningman this year...

i left the monastic life without trying to provide any of these things for myself...and serendipity provided for me...in abundance...

i leave for burningman in the morning...

if i can do it, they can do it...

~elf

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 6:59 pm

the fire elf wrote: i leave for burningman in the morning...

have a sfe journey...

the fire elf wrote: if i can do it, they can do it...

~elf

they'll have to do it with my assistance.

Karma · Post by **Karma** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 7:28 pm

Frankly,I'm dis-appointed and shocked at ALL of you for giving Scotia's sincere and eloquent request such a juvenile and cold response.
This is BurningMan we're talking about here !!
Have you ppl not learned ANYTHING from your experiances in BRC ??
Helping ppl in need.
Sharing ?
Gifting ?

Community is all fine and good when your blasting around the Playa on X and alcohol, but when it comes down to REALLY helping someone share the experiance, you all fall flat and viscious !

Scotia, dont listen to these Cretins !
I'll take care of it !!

Just send me $400.oo in an un-signed Travelers cheque ($350.oo for the gate fee, $50.oo for 5 gallons of water and two large bags of Doritos Nacho cheese flavored chips INCLUDING Bean and cheese dip) and your water, food and tickets will be waiting at will call.
As for shelter, just find a cozy corner of Center Camp.

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 8:23 pm

Karma, you bastard. You really had ol' Sensei goin' there until you got to the "Just send me $400.00 in an un-signed Travelers cheque" part. Not bad. Not bad, t'all.

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 8:37 pm

the fire elf wrote:two months ago i was living in a monastery...

i had been a monk for about a year, and had no money, no transportation, and no logical way to go from where i was to burningman...

i left the monastic life without trying to provide any of these things for myself...and serendipity provided for me...in abundance...

i leave for burningman in the morning...

if i can do it, they can do it...

~elf

Yeah, but Elfie, two months DOES NOT equal THREE FREAKIN' DAYS.

And besides, they ain't got your karma.

(Apologies to Karma - the e-playan)

Lydia Love · Post by **Lydia Love** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 8:57 pm

elf,

I'm curious - would you be willing to share details on how serendipity has provided for you?

Karma · Post by **Karma** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 9:01 pm

Sensei wrote:Karma, you bastard. You really had ol' Sensei goin' there until you got to the "Just send me $400.00 in an un-signed Travelers cheque" part. Not bad. Not bad, t'all.

*snicker*

Captain Goddammit · Post by **Captain Goddammit** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:39 am

I wonder how many places this panhandler posts messages like that?

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:30 am

Elf:

I understand what you are talking about... there are fortuitous moments in everyone's life where the heavens part and a clear path appears before them.

However, to advise someone to step out into the unknown and do what you have done, based on your experience, without taking any responsiblity for what may happen to them if they are hurt by it is not spiritual: it's... well, whatever the opposite of spiritual would be.

I share my special experiences with others, but I also add the disclaimer "Check it out and see if (whatever action was taken) is right for you. If not... DON'T DO IT!"

By the way, avoid monastaries... they are, for the most part, spiritual masterbatoriums. Life happens outside, in the wild. Understanding, of course, does happen inside. A good balance of the two is what's needed.

Of course, if that doesn't work for you, DON'T DO IT! (Whew! Almost forgot that part...)

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 11:06 pm

Lydia Love,

i was living the monk lifestyle, and decided that tradition in itself was a box that i no longer wanted to live in...i decided to go non-traditional and create my own path for further development...the traditions of the world had done all that they could for me...

and then i came across the theme for 2004, asking the three questions:
"where does everything come from, where does everything go to, and how in this large scheme of things do we fit in?"

i felt i had answered these questions...and i felt it was time to go home to the playa...

living for a monk for so long, i had no traditional 'resources' except what serendipity put in front of me...

donations from the other monks from the monastery got me a train ticket to las angeles, where my burner communities were...

a situation at the brewery in downtown LA gave me a place to stay and food to eat...a friend had a fire in his loft and needed help making it livable again...i helped him until he had electricity and hot water and new windows for air circulation...

at that time, life presented me with another situation in the brewery...an experimental artist community...i did not have to worry about rent or food...just used all of my time supporting the little community and cooking in the kitchen...

the benifactor of the community appreciated my efforts in helping with his vision...when he was breaking down the structure we were living on to get it out to burningman, he took care of my needs in getting me out to the event and being able to survive (ticket/food/water/shelter)...

when the event closed down, i felt it was time to commit myself fully to burningman, and stayed for long-term cleanup...

i am currently living with DPW, the most amazing souls that are the heart behind making the event happen...i am working and playing with the highest beings on the planet, as far as i am concered...

i have found my way home...

i am done with society outside of burningman...

and i live in bliss...

what more could i say?

live in fear and box yourself in, or live in love and make your dreams real...

love, fire, and respect,
elf

Lydia Love · Post by **Lydia Love** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:22 am

Elf, thanks for answering.

That sounds really really fucking cool for you. I've been tempted to do similar thing - but it's not a possiblity for me not a possiblity for many many people.

Not going off and following your bliss to that extent doesn't always have to do with fear. I've simply made promises, implicit and implied.

I've promised the mortgage people I'd pay them for this house, my mother expects me not to drop off the face of the earth for extended periods of time. I adopted cats... I'm responsible to them for their lifetime now.

I would like to point out a BIG difference between your situation and that of Scotia's (not knowing if they made it to the playa or not...)

OK... let me see if I can put this into words that actually make sense.

From what I can tell of your story you received assistance from smaller communities within the whole.

Burning Man is not really a community in and of itself. It's too huge and diverse. We can't all know eachother. It is, however, a coming together of many many smaller communities. They intermingle and mix. The 6 degrees of separation thing comes heavily into play.

Within some of those smaller communities you made yourself useful - you supported your communities - you helped out. You didn't have money, so you picked up a spatula or a hammer or a whatever. If you are with the DPW right now then I know you have some sort of badass tool in your hands every damn day. You didn't just show up on anyone's doorstep asking for a handout... you put your back into it and earned some trust and respect. Those smaller communities rewarded you with assistance.

THIS community, the community of eplayans is one of those littler ones, and it's hard to pick up a spatula or a hammer here since it mostly exists in this weird virtual space but there are people here that I wouldn't hesitate to drop some money (if I have it... a dicey proposition lately) or help on if they asked because they've shared some piece of themselves here. There are people here that I've barely met... and if they yelled "help!" I'd bust my ass to come running because I've directly felt their contribution to this world.

Maybe it shows some character flaw in me but I'm reticent to help someone when my first interaction with them is to see them with their hands out. I want to help people get to the playa who I have some sense are going to give something of themselves to whatever little communities they are a part of.

Blah... I have no idea if any of that made sense.

CoworkerLurker · Post by **CoworkerLurker** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 5:30 am

Lydia Love wrote:Blah... I have no idea if any of that made sense.

Makes plenty of sense, Lydia. It helped me put my finger on that crucial difference, and articulated it so well.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:52 am

fire elf, realize that, for better or for worse, from an objective point of view you may have changed locales and styles but you have ended up in another cloister.

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:25 pm

10 for Stuart... He nailed that one!!!!

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:09 pm

ding ding ding! He sure did!

i am done with society outside of burningman...

...

live in fear and box yourself in, or live in love and make your dreams real...

What? I mean...what? I'm sorry, I don't understand. Do you not feel like you are boxing yourself in by not living in the rest of society, no matter how lovely and pretty your box may be?

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:52 pm

The Tarte wrote:

Quote:
i am done with society outside of burningman...
...
live in fear and box yourself in, or live in love and make your dreams real...
What? I mean...what? I'm sorry, I don't understand. Do you not feel like you are boxing yourself in by not living in the rest of society, no matter how lovely and pretty your box may be?

I realized a few years ago that the Rimpoche's of Tibet need to quit reincarnating back to the same old monastary and reincarnate out into the wild, wild world, where their centuries of 'soul education' could do more good. What the world needs is unselfish, good, souls that are willing to rub elbows with the world and by immersion, change it.

Sure, it's a gamble that the soul would be lost, but isn't that the spirit of the Buddha anyway. Don't they take a vow that they will not leave this circle of existence until every other soul is enlightened? Well, why lock yourself away in a cell somewhere (spiritual masturbatorium) until just-lil'-ol'-you reach enlightenment? Fuck that! Get out there and get to work!!

I am not the Buddha of Compassion... I'm the Buddha of Sarcasm

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:02 pm

I'm the Buddha of Pizza.

OK, I'm just startnig to look like him is all.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 4:40 pm

Rob the Wop wrote:I'm the Buddha of Pizza.

Are you going to initiate us into the eightfold way of slicing?

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 4:42 pm

samtzu wrote:The Tarte wrote:
Quote:
i am done with society outside of burningman...
...
live in fear and box yourself in, or live in love and make your dreams real...
What? I mean...what? I'm sorry, I don't understand. Do you not feel like you are boxing yourself in by not living in the rest of society, no matter how lovely and pretty your box may be?
I realized a few years ago that the Rimpoche's of Tibet need to quit reincarnating back to the same old monastary and reincarnate out into the wild, wild world, where their centuries of 'soul education' could do more good. What the world needs is unselfish, good, souls that are willing to rub elbows with the world and by immersion, change it.

Sure, it's a gamble that the soul would be lost, but isn't that the spirit of the Buddha anyway. Don't they take a vow that they will not leave this circle of existence until every other soul is enlightened? Well, why lock yourself away in a cell somewhere (spiritual masturbatorium) until just-lil'-ol'-you reach enlightenment? Fuck that! Get out there and get to work!!

I am not the Buddha of Compassion... I'm the Buddha of Sarcasm

this is good Sam, but any path still has validity. I too like the Bodisatva way

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 4:43 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:
Rob the Wop wrote:I'm the Buddha of Pizza.
Are you going to initiate us into the eightfold way of slicing?

or conscious stomach expansion?

HELP us find ways of getting to B-man.

HELP us find ways of getting to B-man.

Re: HELP us find ways of getting to B-man.

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serendipity

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