Jagged Texas redneck blown away by SEXY Jewish backpacker

badburner · Post by **badburner** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 1:10 pm

Ok so I'm the Troll, even though MJoe Bust, is the one whos trolling the playa for young girls when he is married w/ch. Ok I'm the troll even thogh he is the guywho won't leave this alone, even thogh he has been asked to. I'm the troll even thogh he's slipping stuff in a girls drink to make her passout at his rv. I don't see how this makes me the troll? he acts inaproprately and I get the crap for it. That isn't right. gabbi would write this herself but she is kinda scrared. She went back to say she didn't want him to track her down next year, not to say goodby, and he was really nice at that time so when asked for her email she felt trapped into giving it to him. is this hard to imagine. ok iwill the troll of truth.

M Joe Boss · Post by **M Joe Boss** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 1:25 pm

Ok bummer if you are indeed telling the truth then PM me with something I know, that wasn't posted on the thread.

Alpha · Post by **Alpha** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 1:41 pm

bad,

If you are who you say you are, it's probably best to not air this out in public. And this:

badburner wrote:he's slipping stuff in a girls drink to make her passout at his rv.

is a criminal accusation. I'd advise against spreading that unless you can back it up.

I don't think what MJoe did is necessarily right, and I can think of a dozen reasons why Gabbie may want to be done with him. I also think it's not my place to judge.

Papa Bear · Post by **Papa Bear** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 2:17 pm

MJB, I'm going to jump on the bandwagon recommending you find a way to go to counseling, even if your wife won't join you.

Counseling may not save your marriage. But it may give you the tools you need to stay in the marriage until your kids are grown, or it may give you the perspective and support you need to end the marriage in a way that's healthiest for all involved, including your kids. That may well included helping you figure out other financial alternatives. And who knows... if counseling seems to be working for you, your wife may eventually decide to join you, in which case there may be hope.

But the key is to get there and focus on healing yourself first. You may think you already know what the counselor will say, but don't count on it. From experience, I very much doubt a good counselor would tell you to martyr yourself in the way you're describing (i.e., changing your life to do everything for her), or tell you to go to the other extreme. Part of the therapist's job is to make you see perspectives you're otherwise blind to, and to catch and correct negative messages you're sending yourself without even realizing it.

If you won't consider it just for your own sake, consider your kids. Kids are sharp, and will pick up on disharmony in the relationship no matter how hard you try to play your part. That's important, because it's your relationship with your wife they'll unconsciously use as a model for their own relationships in coming years. Improving your own situation may well help spare them the pain of making the same mistakes later in their lives.

(And while I understand that finances may be an issue, please don't substitute this forum for counseling -- we're by and large not professionals, and even if we were, purely electronic communication is no subsitute for face time in a case like this).

M Joe Boss · Post by **M Joe Boss** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 3:50 pm

badburner wrote:
he's slipping stuff in a girls drink to make her passout at his rv.

Some how I missed that part in the first read .
You son of a bitch, to say something like that, is the lowest thing. If you and I ever meet there WILL BE FIREWORKS, I GUARANTEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would never even entertain a notion as horrible as that. And let me tell you something else, I wasn't trolling the playa at all.I was sitting at center camp all by myself,when this all started. I ahd no intentions whatsoever of sleeping with this person, even once we got back to my trailer. I had just found someone I felt very comfortable with and I was truly interested in her as a person, hard for someone like you to understand I am sure.
Further more if you read the thread you will see,I am not the one who initiated the first contact. No I didn't stop it either , but that was because I was truly high on life at that moment. I had not had somebody take an interest in me in years. I am sorry that you find that offensive. But you can kiss my ass, if you think I should take it all back. I wouldn't even if I could. I have been in and out of conciousnous for the last several weeks, and this is probably the most lucid moment I have had since returning, thank you for that.

These are the facts. I experienced something wonderful on the playa, I felt warm in ways I hadn't known in years, I felt needed, for something other than a paycheck and child discipline. I was with a truly beautiful soul, I was unable to keep my witts about me.I wanted desperately to hang on to those feelings, they could not be reciprocated, that's ok. I did not coerse her into anything, even had I tried she is much sharper than you are trying to give her credit for. She is an adult, she made her own decisions( I could have told her the truth at the beginning but, I never lied to her). Some would say that is lieing. I don't beleive that. Or else I would have to up to everybody I see, and tell them what I think of them, asked or not. When she asked I told her the entire truth. Omission is just that, not lieing. I returned home with a sence of what I had been missing out on all these years. I, being only human tried in vane to cling to that feeling , makes me afool but I certainly do not think it makes me a bad person.

My wife is also an adult. She has had ample oppotunity to change, or seek help, or communicate with me what I actually need to have done, she has failed. I tried everything I could think of to return the intimacy to our relationship. I do not know what I could have done differently in my marriage to make the end result more desirable. couseling may indeed be a good idea, I will look into it. I will keep an open mind on the subject.

As for you badburner, the fact that you had me doubting Gabbie, as the truly awesome person she is, really pisses me off. You have made a fool out of me, with my help, that is over. I have been unable to control myself as of late, my feelings, my reactions and my thoughts. You have certainly given me the slap in the face I needed .
I have been acting like some kind of charity case, I truly thank all who have listened to my babblings. I am determined to go on now. Things will work themselves out no matter which direction I take. Feeling sorry for myself was unfortunate, not a good quality, and not one I admire. I certainly in the situation would have told someone else to shut the hell up , pick yourself up and march on sitting in this pitty pool is no way to get back out in front.

Gabbie if you are reading this, I am sorry I ever doubted you, I am quite possitive that this prick has no connection to you. If I ever meet him we will sure trip the light fantastic, that is my way. I really am upset that he said such rediculous things ,and I just let them slip by. Like I said I am quite lucid now. the clouds seem to have parted, I am still quite enamored with you, that may last quite some time, but poses no threat to you in your life.

As pissed off as I should be about what butt burner said about me,I am not, really. The way he painted Gabbie is what flipped my trigger. Son, don't ever piss in that direction again.

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 7:52 pm

M Joe Boss wrote: Son, don't ever piss in that direction again.

Hate to tell ya this Joe, but you're letting an anonymous wanker push your buttons. Seriously, do you think he'll ever get anywhere near enough for you to get your hands on him? He's going to continue to talk shit as long as it seems like its affecting you. Fuck him.

Bad for the blood pressure, trust me on this one. I tend to be a hothead at times too. It's the Sicilian blood and coming from a small red-neck desert town.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 8:23 pm

Jeeezzzzz,

I've been gone for awhile. I did'nt realize this thread had gotten this far. How come it was'nt over a long time ago? I thought there was nothing more to it. I figured these 2 would not see each other again or at least realize that what they wanted with each other was not meant to be.

Is'nt this all just a waste of everyones time at this point?

Moving on is'nt that hard to do......is it?

badburner · Post by **badburner** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 9:54 pm

Joe, you took long enough to snap

No brutha, I don't know gabbie, never had the pleasure. But I do know you, in the real world :lol:

And I knew that I would have to piss you off to get you out of your funk.
You ain't the coddling type, and I had to help you out. Sorry if I went to far. I know you would still smack hell out of me, so don't even ask who this is, i'm not sayin !
Gabbie must be one special girl, you don't attach to many people. You aint that kind of person. To see you on this link tearing yourself apart was more than I could bear. it took some time for me to figure out how I would approach this. that was the best i could come up with. You are a great guy, I didn't like that you were so out of character for so long it was painful for us to watch. we want the jagged texas redneck back.

You sure took alot longer to piss off than I first thought you would. that in itself is a testament to how deep you were in this. Joe nobody is worth doing this to yourself over. I know your wife is a great person, but it may be time that she is a great person without you. You have forgotten that you are agreat person too. You have often said you don't have many friends, but I know for a fact that alot of people consider you one of there friends. Joe , gabie is very special to you and I think you have done a tremendous wrong to yourself letting people think that you may be this person they have been reading about, I know better. you arent this way.
The story at the beginning was you through and through, but the shit that happened after the fact was not. You need to realize that you don't always have to be everybodies rock and that you can come to your friends. I know that too is out of character but try it sometime. You don't need counseling, you need time to heel. but you also need to get out of your pitty pool pick yourself up and get back in front where you belong. I miss you, in a macho and manly way. Again I wish I had the pleasure to meet gabbi . I am sure i would like her if you did. Mighty Joe BOSS it is time for you to shine like you are supposed to, I am not going to sit here and" blow smoke up your ass" ( one of your favorite sayings) any more.
You are needed now and the new guy has to go he is not you and you are not him.

Alpha · Post by **Alpha** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 9:46 am

Oh the drama. This is better than Apprentice and The Surreal Life rolled into one.

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 6:16 pm

uh. wow.

So, um, yeah.

Does anyone else have difficulty understanding the boys when they piss each other off in order to 'help' them? It's a common occurance where I was raised (small, redneck town), and, though I was there for 23 years, I still have yet to come to any sort of enlightenment. I mean, if it were ME, I'd be a friend by being a set of ears that clearly this boy needs. I'd help him through this life-changing event. I'd take the time to appreciate that something like this will probably have a huge effect on Joe's emotions, for a long time, and may have, in fact, changed him for good. I would learn to embrace the new Joe.

Instead, his 'friend' pisses him off until he's absolutely violent, then tells him the whole tale of his deceit, (essentially) in front of a large group of people, and proceeds to tell him that all his current friends want the 'old' Joe back.

No wonder those towns can't seem to progress emotionally with the rest of the world.

(and I'm not even going to get into the lasting emotional damage done by the fact that Joe now has to wonder which of his friends betrayed him and humiliated him...)

Hmph.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 6:21 pm

GuinivereElise, You're funny. You got the same thing outta this I did.

Alha is right. This is totally better than the Apprentice but not better south park.

It should replace general hospital.

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 6:30 pm

DVD: I'll have to take your word for it: haven't watched the tele for about 6 years.

Great patch, BTW.

Can anyone out there explain this to me? I really am quite befuddled. It's such a foreign concept: to piss someone off, to put them through ann emotional ringer, in order to 'help' them.

Anyone?

Bueller?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 6:37 pm

Thank Alpha for the patch. Did it frame for frame. awsome huh?

In answer to your other question:

Can anyone out there explain this to me? I really am quite befuddled. It's such a foreign concept: to piss someone off, to put them through ann emotional ringer, in order to 'help' them.

I dont know why. I know I have a tendency to piss off Badger sometimes and it does feel kinda good. I used to piss off Trey and PP. but they are gone now. That used to be great fun,But I really dont know how other people feel. In fact, I really dont think it's the same what I do to Badger.

Anybody?

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 6:47 pm

DVD,

From what I've read between you and Badger, I'd vote no, not the same.

It seems to me that there is a distinct difference between the good, or even quasi-good elbowing that goes on and the complete maliciousness behind things like this.

I've heard that some boys piss others off to help them by distracting them from the issue. Or to 'jump start' them back into their old way of thinking. And, as is my experience, it usually involves one of the boys developing feelings, and the others trying to get them back to the non-feeling-lumps that just drink and tell bad jokes and don't get too 'heavy' on anyone, 'cause that would really bring them down, man. Again, just what I'VE experienced in my little town (and, just for the record, while people in the south can be rednecks, people living in the NORTH, who WISH they were in the south, can be even BIGGER rednecks. But I digress).

Honestly, if anyone can provide me with logic on this tactic, I'd love to hear it.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 7:04 pm

Tell you the honest truth.....sounds like a macho thing to me.

I dont know anything about that.

badburner · Post by **badburner** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:56 am

In order to under stand what has happened here you have to know Joe,

You need to know that Joe is a standup guy, would go way out of his way to help any of the people he cared about reguardless of the circumstance. You will not find a better person than this guy. you see he is a bear with a heart as big as Texas. No he is not one for bullshit, suttle pleasantries, and coddling people who fuck up, he likes it strait forward and honest. He gives it out that way and that is how he wants it to be returned , some people can not handle that .This is where the jagged part comes from. I always know where I stand with the guy and I like it that way. I have seen this guy practically kill himself to make sure things happened for other people. And I have, come to think of it, never once known him to ask anything for himself. You don't how this guy is, he is a rock. He is always there if someone calls on him. You could call him in the middle of the night and be 100 miles away with a flat tire and he'll hop right in his truck and come running. If you need someone to talk to you can count on him.You won't get coddled though, you will get his real opinion, and it aint always pretty. Joe is a man of outstanding character and a very caring person. felt like that was eroding before my very eyes, and it pained me.

I once heard him say that "sometimes if your battery goes dead you need to add some acid, and boil it up"( charge the hell out of it) ( also works for car batts) but what he meant was sometimes you need to give somebody a little food for thought and slap the shit out of them before they can get back on the right track. In computer terms I think it is called a hard boot. It is not about being macho cause sometimes it works with women too.

I was not trying to keep him from caring, just the opposite. You make redneck sound durogatory, well in his mind it isn't. Point of fact; the term redneck was used as a slur towords farmers who worked there own feilds back in the days of black slavery, leveled upon them by the elitest plantation owners. though it was iinitially a slur, he uses it to describe himself as a person who is not afraid to get his hands dirty to support his family, and he is proud of the fact that he himself earned everything he has and did it with his own hands and sweat.
macho is another word people keep using as durogatory statement, well it ain't so bad. If not for the macho, you would still be living in caves. Did you know that macho just means markedly masculine in appearance or demeanor. I can't for the life of me see how this is bad , we are men, and being macho should be a compliment. we do not work on the same principles as women, I don't expect them to understand us ,but the fact that being markedly masculine is offensive to some, is just pure ignorance on there part. I am not saying we need to be cavemen , but we do need to be men. And if you have somebody you think so much of going through what Joe has been, you would do what you had to to make it right, correct??
This guy is thee most standup guy I know. He is the guy you want at your side when the shit hits the fan. He won't turn and run away. If you ever want to know what kind of guy he really is, just ask him about his kids and watch his face light up as he tells of how he doesn't know how he ever got along without them. That will tell you eveything you need to know about a great guy.

When I ran across this thread, I knew who it was immediately, how many mighty joe bosses who refer tomselves as ajgged texas redneck could there be??? The stor of him and Gabbie was easy to see about him. It was what was written after the story that wasn't him, and it is where I saw I needed to do something. It was not hthe person we all know so well, and it was painful for me to see him slipping into that pit. So I boiled his battery. And I knew as soon as I wrote the part about him slipping something into her drink I would get his attention. Because he is kind of old fashioned when it comes to women. He holds open doors,the gentlemen type thing, and so on. NO I am not sayingf he is sexist far from it actually. He just really is ateddybear when it comes to women. And I don't think drugs have evr been in his hands, and I know he has never done any. That is all I have time for right now. I think maybe some will understand a little more

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buckethead alien · Post by **buckethead alien** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:03 am

Alpha wrote:Maybe it's just me but badburner's post smacks of trollism to me. Aside from the name, it just seems unlikely that the people and situations described would match the kind of barbarism badburner is throwing out. I suspect he knows nothing of the people involved in the OP, but that instead he's trying to ruffle Joe's feathers or else it's a <b>misdirected attempt at getting him to forget about the girl.</B>

Maybe we should have paid attention to Alpha and spared ourselves all this trouble.

Alpha · Post by **Alpha** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:37 am

Hey thanks Buckethead, I was wondering if I'd won a cupie doll?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:38 am

I always have paid attention to Alpha.

Rabbi Dali Rick · Post by **Rabbi Dali Rick** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:42 am

I always pay in cash......

fatherly,
the rebbi

buckethead alien · Post by **buckethead alien** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:43 am

Alpha wrote:Hey thanks Buckethead, I was wondering if I'd won a cupie doll?

Well, not a cupie doll, exactly, but PM me with a mailing address and you'll find out what you've won!

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:33 am

Yes yes, quite right. Alpha wins a faboo prize. Extremely intuitive... (still, since I'm already in this far...)

Badburner, you can talk until you're blue in the face about macho not being a bad thing (you won't convince me that it's NOT, but you can go ahead and try...), but it doesn't clear up any of my confusion. In fact, in compounds it.

If you've got any grrls out there for which you've done this particular type of 'helping', I'd love to hear their opinions of it. Because, honestly, if someone did the same thing to me that you have done to Joe, I'd probably have a few choice words for them, and then I'd have an extremely difficult time being persuaded to ever speak to them again.

It sounds to me like you were just jealous because your friend went a big soft and squishy one on you, and you missed the 'kick-ass' times you USED to spend. Seems that most of the men I know who use the term "macho" with pride also tend to think that emotion, specifically about women, is weak.

Of course, maybe I know the wrong rednecks....

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:24 am

James Joyce? Crikey... just dig up the Porter Wagoner / Dolly Parton catalog...
esp. her cover of "Stairway to Heaven"...

badburner · Post by **badburner** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:13 am

Badburner, you can talk until you're blue in the face about macho not being a bad thing (you won't convince me that it's NOT, but you can go ahead and try...

I am going to say that you seem to have some real issues with men, and in that case I could talk till I was blue in the faceand it wouldn't help. I don't think you have said a nice about men in anything I read. I hope not but this is what it sounds like. Or maybe you think that men don't like you. Not attacking just not sure where the haterd comes from.

Seems that most of the men I know who use the term "macho" with pride also tend to think that emotion, specifically about women, is weak

just sounds like more of the same to me, and I am goimg to venture a guess and say that you probably don.t hang around with vast amounts of men. I already gave you the definition for macho, and you can feel whatever you want but I don't mind being masculine.

It sounds to me like you were just jealous because your friend went a big soft and squishy one on you, and you missed the 'kick-ass' times you USED to spend.

You just got this all rolled up into a dukes of hazzard gone bad don't you?
As far as "kick ass" times MJB has a family, he does not usually go out. The kick ass times are just sitting around talking. And to sit here and say that we have no feeling for women is total bologna. If I elaborate on that it will give me away.

Of course, maybe I know the wrong rednecks....

I am going to say 2 things about this,I am sure you are using the term to describe people as narrow minded and so on , and if that were the case, which it is not IMHO, we would have to use the term on you . because even though you have been presented another side you refuse to see that it could be some way other than what you originally thought. I am not a redneck by any definition, I don't even like country music, so it does matter to me how you use the term.

I am not jealous of what he felt for gabbi, I am glad for it , maybe he will take that feeling and be creative with his familly situation, I hope he will. I just didn't like watching as he was tearing himself down because of his marrital situation.
Has anybody heard from him recently?

M Joe Boss · Post by **M Joe Boss** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:32 pm

Well now that we have managed to turn my experience into a twilight zone meets DR Phil adventure, lets get on with our lives.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:35 pm

M Joe Boss wrote:Well now that we have managed to turn my experience into a twilight zone meets DR Phil adventure, lets get on with our lives.

Thank you!

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:39 pm

Aaaannd....

CUT.

Take it to print, fellas.

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:59 pm

GuinivereElise, I have come to the conclusion that this is one person with two socks, trying to get some attention on the boards by bringing up a non-existant occurance and attempting to make it dramatic. Yes, there are people like these two (watch Maury Povich sometime. If you can get beyond five minutes of it, you're stronger than I) but they are not worth the trouble it takes to take their stories seriously. I confess that I was taken in by M Joe, but Badass? What a joke... and then it all came together for me. This is a hoax. Two stereotypes arguing? Puuullleeeeze!!!

Yeah, I, too, killed my cable connection a few years ago... it got to where even the Discovery Channel was starting to look like WWF wrestling. I'd rather read a book, listen to tunes, or nail my feet to the floor, than watch TV.

Sorry... I don't want to come near this thread anymore.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:49 pm

GuinivereElise wrote: Can anyone out there explain this to me? I really am quite befuddled. It's such a foreign concept: to piss someone off, to put them through ann emotional ringer, in order to 'help' them.

no help here. A friend I no longer am in contact with was, towards the end of our connection, going on about how the only people who ever helped her were the ones who kicked her in the ass. Undoubtedly, the friend ship failed because I wasn't going to tell her her midtwenties loser boyfriend was a creepy oppotunist. Silly, silly me.

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:35 pm

Thanks anyway, Fishy. And I'm officially done trying to understand it.

It's a waste of a perfectly good day, and too much of my energy.

See you all, though not back in here...

Jagged Texas redneck blown away by SEXY Jewish backpacker

....................love, love, love, love, love, love, hate