Celebrity knocks Burning Man on Jay Leno
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celebrities have such awesome positions to make world changes happen. Saint Helens just blew day before yesterday, a response to global environmental destruction? i like the idea of writing to these priviledged folks to influence them to use their status and money with deeper awareness. i didn't see the show, but i'm going to write her a fan letter anyway asking her if she'll consider bringing greater awareness of the scenario on this planet to the general public. thanks for providing her fan club address. i've been dreaming of writing to all of the "A-list" stars about this, so one thing good has already come of the burbly blond's (.."she wore a green velvet strapless blouse by Black Rock Boutique and eye-catching hotpants served up right on the playa"..da da ta doo wah) perterbed sqealing. the situation in this nation is so ridiculously out of balance, i don't like frat boys either but maybe they'll have an interaction out there and get turned on to something beyond their usual circle of perception. i personally hope her comment deters the (other, less fiery) man from taking us seriously enough to try and shut us down. what we're doing in BRC is i believe changing the world tide against the stoopid destructors in the sense that it raises consciousness as well as generating a pulse in the planetary energy field that goes right to the heart of mother earth, adding to her strength against the weakening forces of pollution and deforestation. either way, i agree why not write a letter to jay leno to counter heather graham's statements and express a different opinion, or to local paper editors to start a discussion in your town.
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Heather, not Helens.wovenone wrote:...Saint Helens just blew day before yesterday, a response to global environmental destruction?...
Amazing desert structures & stuff: http://sites.google.com/site/potatotrap/
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Sparkly Tart,
Shug, if the thought had never occurred to you before, let me be the first to tell you there are literally thousands of places that you're not welcome and never will be. There are thousands of events/places which you're frankly not pretty enough to attend/visit. Or rich enough. Or well connected enough. Or whatever enough. The list is endless, and the world will simply never meet your childish, idealistic and totalitarian demands for unrestricted sparkletart access, so you might as well give up now.
But an egalitarian access policy is a Burning Man tradition, isn’t it? Virtually anyone who can muster up the cash, courage, and supplies, historically, can attend. Surely, this policy won't change. It's BM's backbone, right?
Of course, it used to be that anyone who could muster up the cash, courage, and supplies could build an 'art car' and drive it around during the event. Or build an art installation without having to register it and have an overseeing agency place it. Or burn or explode something without having to pass a safety review. Or camp in a space reserved for a properly registered and reviewed theme camp. I'm sure that others here could add a few salient restrictions to this list.
So there are plenty of things at Burning Man, now, which you can't EVER do without working your way through the appropriate channels, first. And if doing ANY of those things which were once allowed but are now restricted was a vital part of your Burning Man experience, then guess what: you can't EVER attend again. At least...not without making some intellectual and emotional concessions, first.
Now I'm not debating whether or not the restrictions that BMorg places on burners are good, bad, smart, stupid, etc. I'm just pointing out that they exist. Because each time a new one has been imposed, I can guarantee you that there have been groups of disgruntled burners who decided not to EVER come back in response. No doubt they felt, as you so angrily have challenged, that the org was telling them that they couldn't ever attend again.
In actuality, of course, the org said nothing of the kind. With each new rule or registration or requirement, as the event has grown and grown, the org has repeatedly said: You can't ever attend in the same way that you have in the past.
And I frankly don't envy their task. Successfully and safely growing a collaborative temporary community without losing the aspects of that community which keep it engaging has got to be one of the most difficult balancing acts in the world. But if the mere specter of the imposition of restrictions upon admittance has raised your intellectual chagrin, you need to take three steps backwards and realize that many initial - although indirect - blows have already been struck.
The undisputed trend in Burning Man's organization has been the historical imposition of more restrictions and rules. Maybe some old-timer could develop a timeline for you. Many of the changes seem to have been created in the name of either environmental or personal safety, issues which I personally find it difficult to challenge. But I think that considering the ramifications of the restrictions is fair game.
Purely as an example: this year, there were new restrictions upon art cars. Many people welcomed the changes, and evidently they resulted in a safer burn this year than last. But in the name of safety (and apparently, artistic standards), the unfettered creativity and self-expression of previous burns suffered a blow.
I'm sure that it can be argued that the art cars that did exist were less dangerous and perhaps of a higher aesthetic quality overall than art cars in the past, that the experience of the city as a whole was enhanced rather than depreciated by having fewer cars of marginal aesthetic value cramping the streets and playa. Points taken.
All that had to be accepted in order to achieve those results was a restriction upon the previously egalitarian (or even pseudo-anarchistic) attitude towards creativity and self-expression with regards to 'art cars'.
This compromise is nothing new. Burning Man has a history of it. The challenge - which seems to be such a redundant topic in these threads - is to find a balance between organization vs. egalitarianism/anarchy, aesthetics vs. creativity, safety vs. vitality, and (I believe) accessibility vs. community.
Burning Man, as historically presented by ye olde tymers, used to be an event far on the right side of the above scales. As the city has grown and evolved, well, it's still the most whacked city in the world, but the trend has been to balance growth by moving the scale to the left.
Historically, the open admittance policy has been self-policed via social pressure. Burners were urged to participate, to create, to deMOOPify their surroundings, etc., by other veteran burners. I believe it was also policed, however, by the inherent danger and difficulty of the event itself. It simply used to take more effort and more chutzpah to attend. The looky-loos, spectators, frattys, etc., were self-weeded out as it required more than just a Heather-Grahamish RV-weekender curiosity to attend.
Burning Man certainly isn't dead and isn't likely to die any time soon. But it's a different event today and three years from now it will be yet different still. My personal opinion is that most of the restrictions and rules that have been imposed are either necessary or beneficial...if your goal is not ever exclude anyone from BRC.
One of the official taglines I've seen is that BRC is an 'experiment in temporary community.' As that, it's been an unimaginable success - if population is your standard. Even if you move on to 'quality of life,' it's hard to argue with increased safety, more cohesive art, etc.
But...I also don't think the following is debatable: on many terms, the city has become diluted. A city that claims to value participation as a central ideal has historically placed and enforced more and more rules and restrictions on the types of participation it considers acceptable, safe, or valid. Sure, some burners will rise to the challenge. But others will be excluded, and others will simply withdraw.
For every burner that is lost in this manner, the city loses a vital part of its structure: the self-policing societal/peer pressure to participate, to create, to get involved, to make it more than just a drunken, drugged, dusty nudie sex rave in the middle of nowhere.
I personally think the trends are clear, not that I’m necessarily bemoaning them. Less creativity, less art, more bars… Hasn’t this already happened? I think we’ll see more of it in the future. Maybe the art/art cars/installations, etc., that do happen will increase in quality. I frankly see that as a viable growth model. A city of 60,000 with less art on a percentage basis, less of the old burner ‘community’ feeling, more vandalism and less participation due to diluted self-policing, but with amazing bars/theme camps/mini-raves – I personally see that as sustainable if it also includes epic art…which likely means more organization and funding by the org.
That’s one way to grow the city…again, if growing the city is your aim. It’s a different BM than it is today, but I bet it would still thrive. Hell, I bet the city could get to 100K if the org would either commission or fund 10 or so big-ass burnable installations on the playa every year. It would just cease to be a village and become an actual city, is all, and as the number of volunteer artists/participants/etc. dwindled, the city’s org could take up the slack. And we would never EVER have to tell anybody that they couldn’t attend.
You know the one thing I find the most humorous on these boards? It’s when people say, it’s OUR city. It’s not our city, any more than the city I live in is my city or our city or whatever. The city belongs to itself. It’ll continue to grow because every year more people want to come.
The poor people at the org, I think, try their sincere best to keep the best parts of the city alive. Is it time to institute a door policy? I think it’s already happened…and so far all the changes would be exactly what you’d expect for a city struggling to work in all the additional people who want to live there. But unfortunately, I think they all, in ways both minor and grand, are antithetical to the free-spirited, creative participation that forms (formed?) the soul of the event.
So…what the fuck do we do about it? How do you both grow the city and yet keep its soul thriving? How, in other words, do you solve the Heather Graham Paradox?
My best idea, personally, would be to offer ticket discounts to veterans. Keep the backbone of the goddamn city coming back. Maybe a sliding scale discount for the previous number of attended burns. Preferential treatment, perhaps, by letting the vets in to claim camps a day earlier than other folk.
My only other ideas that don’t involve exclusion of certain unsavories at the gate (which I wouldn’t want to do because Sparkletarte honestly doesn’t sound like a woman to trifle with) involve greater organization. If the org finds that in order to keep BM and its open-door policy alive it has to continue adding new restrictions and regulations that unfortunately discourage some forms of participation, then maybe we need to form our own organizations to actively encourage people to participate within those rules.
I’ve heard lots of complaints on these boards, for example, about a lack of art. I’ve heard complaints that there was little support on the playa for artists. I’ve heard artists complain about vandalism. And my ears are ready to fall off due to all the people complaining about spectators and raving newbies.
But I’ve yet to hear about anyone talk about starting an organization called The Art Nazis, whose sole purpose would be to help/encourage artists to A) make art, B) get the shit to the playa, C) set it up and keep it safe while it’s there, D) provide a social outlet and support for artists to meet and greet and cross-pollinate, and E) regularly patrol the city, rounding up groups of spectators/frat boys/newbies and then marching them out to visit said art and listen appreciatively to said artists expound endlessly upon the minute significance and meaning of their every artistic intent.
Why is that? You know, in some ways, BRC is our city – because if we want to, we can organize to save it. So…where is Concerned Citizens of Black Rock when you need it? Why is it that everyone, including volumes of old-timers, are complaining or declaring they’ll never attend again…but nobody seems to actively be doing anything about it?
Shug, if the thought had never occurred to you before, let me be the first to tell you there are literally thousands of places that you're not welcome and never will be. There are thousands of events/places which you're frankly not pretty enough to attend/visit. Or rich enough. Or well connected enough. Or whatever enough. The list is endless, and the world will simply never meet your childish, idealistic and totalitarian demands for unrestricted sparkletart access, so you might as well give up now.
But an egalitarian access policy is a Burning Man tradition, isn’t it? Virtually anyone who can muster up the cash, courage, and supplies, historically, can attend. Surely, this policy won't change. It's BM's backbone, right?
Of course, it used to be that anyone who could muster up the cash, courage, and supplies could build an 'art car' and drive it around during the event. Or build an art installation without having to register it and have an overseeing agency place it. Or burn or explode something without having to pass a safety review. Or camp in a space reserved for a properly registered and reviewed theme camp. I'm sure that others here could add a few salient restrictions to this list.
So there are plenty of things at Burning Man, now, which you can't EVER do without working your way through the appropriate channels, first. And if doing ANY of those things which were once allowed but are now restricted was a vital part of your Burning Man experience, then guess what: you can't EVER attend again. At least...not without making some intellectual and emotional concessions, first.
Now I'm not debating whether or not the restrictions that BMorg places on burners are good, bad, smart, stupid, etc. I'm just pointing out that they exist. Because each time a new one has been imposed, I can guarantee you that there have been groups of disgruntled burners who decided not to EVER come back in response. No doubt they felt, as you so angrily have challenged, that the org was telling them that they couldn't ever attend again.
In actuality, of course, the org said nothing of the kind. With each new rule or registration or requirement, as the event has grown and grown, the org has repeatedly said: You can't ever attend in the same way that you have in the past.
And I frankly don't envy their task. Successfully and safely growing a collaborative temporary community without losing the aspects of that community which keep it engaging has got to be one of the most difficult balancing acts in the world. But if the mere specter of the imposition of restrictions upon admittance has raised your intellectual chagrin, you need to take three steps backwards and realize that many initial - although indirect - blows have already been struck.
The undisputed trend in Burning Man's organization has been the historical imposition of more restrictions and rules. Maybe some old-timer could develop a timeline for you. Many of the changes seem to have been created in the name of either environmental or personal safety, issues which I personally find it difficult to challenge. But I think that considering the ramifications of the restrictions is fair game.
Purely as an example: this year, there were new restrictions upon art cars. Many people welcomed the changes, and evidently they resulted in a safer burn this year than last. But in the name of safety (and apparently, artistic standards), the unfettered creativity and self-expression of previous burns suffered a blow.
I'm sure that it can be argued that the art cars that did exist were less dangerous and perhaps of a higher aesthetic quality overall than art cars in the past, that the experience of the city as a whole was enhanced rather than depreciated by having fewer cars of marginal aesthetic value cramping the streets and playa. Points taken.
All that had to be accepted in order to achieve those results was a restriction upon the previously egalitarian (or even pseudo-anarchistic) attitude towards creativity and self-expression with regards to 'art cars'.
This compromise is nothing new. Burning Man has a history of it. The challenge - which seems to be such a redundant topic in these threads - is to find a balance between organization vs. egalitarianism/anarchy, aesthetics vs. creativity, safety vs. vitality, and (I believe) accessibility vs. community.
Burning Man, as historically presented by ye olde tymers, used to be an event far on the right side of the above scales. As the city has grown and evolved, well, it's still the most whacked city in the world, but the trend has been to balance growth by moving the scale to the left.
Historically, the open admittance policy has been self-policed via social pressure. Burners were urged to participate, to create, to deMOOPify their surroundings, etc., by other veteran burners. I believe it was also policed, however, by the inherent danger and difficulty of the event itself. It simply used to take more effort and more chutzpah to attend. The looky-loos, spectators, frattys, etc., were self-weeded out as it required more than just a Heather-Grahamish RV-weekender curiosity to attend.
Burning Man certainly isn't dead and isn't likely to die any time soon. But it's a different event today and three years from now it will be yet different still. My personal opinion is that most of the restrictions and rules that have been imposed are either necessary or beneficial...if your goal is not ever exclude anyone from BRC.
One of the official taglines I've seen is that BRC is an 'experiment in temporary community.' As that, it's been an unimaginable success - if population is your standard. Even if you move on to 'quality of life,' it's hard to argue with increased safety, more cohesive art, etc.
But...I also don't think the following is debatable: on many terms, the city has become diluted. A city that claims to value participation as a central ideal has historically placed and enforced more and more rules and restrictions on the types of participation it considers acceptable, safe, or valid. Sure, some burners will rise to the challenge. But others will be excluded, and others will simply withdraw.
For every burner that is lost in this manner, the city loses a vital part of its structure: the self-policing societal/peer pressure to participate, to create, to get involved, to make it more than just a drunken, drugged, dusty nudie sex rave in the middle of nowhere.
I personally think the trends are clear, not that I’m necessarily bemoaning them. Less creativity, less art, more bars… Hasn’t this already happened? I think we’ll see more of it in the future. Maybe the art/art cars/installations, etc., that do happen will increase in quality. I frankly see that as a viable growth model. A city of 60,000 with less art on a percentage basis, less of the old burner ‘community’ feeling, more vandalism and less participation due to diluted self-policing, but with amazing bars/theme camps/mini-raves – I personally see that as sustainable if it also includes epic art…which likely means more organization and funding by the org.
That’s one way to grow the city…again, if growing the city is your aim. It’s a different BM than it is today, but I bet it would still thrive. Hell, I bet the city could get to 100K if the org would either commission or fund 10 or so big-ass burnable installations on the playa every year. It would just cease to be a village and become an actual city, is all, and as the number of volunteer artists/participants/etc. dwindled, the city’s org could take up the slack. And we would never EVER have to tell anybody that they couldn’t attend.
You know the one thing I find the most humorous on these boards? It’s when people say, it’s OUR city. It’s not our city, any more than the city I live in is my city or our city or whatever. The city belongs to itself. It’ll continue to grow because every year more people want to come.
The poor people at the org, I think, try their sincere best to keep the best parts of the city alive. Is it time to institute a door policy? I think it’s already happened…and so far all the changes would be exactly what you’d expect for a city struggling to work in all the additional people who want to live there. But unfortunately, I think they all, in ways both minor and grand, are antithetical to the free-spirited, creative participation that forms (formed?) the soul of the event.
So…what the fuck do we do about it? How do you both grow the city and yet keep its soul thriving? How, in other words, do you solve the Heather Graham Paradox?
My best idea, personally, would be to offer ticket discounts to veterans. Keep the backbone of the goddamn city coming back. Maybe a sliding scale discount for the previous number of attended burns. Preferential treatment, perhaps, by letting the vets in to claim camps a day earlier than other folk.
My only other ideas that don’t involve exclusion of certain unsavories at the gate (which I wouldn’t want to do because Sparkletarte honestly doesn’t sound like a woman to trifle with) involve greater organization. If the org finds that in order to keep BM and its open-door policy alive it has to continue adding new restrictions and regulations that unfortunately discourage some forms of participation, then maybe we need to form our own organizations to actively encourage people to participate within those rules.
I’ve heard lots of complaints on these boards, for example, about a lack of art. I’ve heard complaints that there was little support on the playa for artists. I’ve heard artists complain about vandalism. And my ears are ready to fall off due to all the people complaining about spectators and raving newbies.
But I’ve yet to hear about anyone talk about starting an organization called The Art Nazis, whose sole purpose would be to help/encourage artists to A) make art, B) get the shit to the playa, C) set it up and keep it safe while it’s there, D) provide a social outlet and support for artists to meet and greet and cross-pollinate, and E) regularly patrol the city, rounding up groups of spectators/frat boys/newbies and then marching them out to visit said art and listen appreciatively to said artists expound endlessly upon the minute significance and meaning of their every artistic intent.
Why is that? You know, in some ways, BRC is our city – because if we want to, we can organize to save it. So…where is Concerned Citizens of Black Rock when you need it? Why is it that everyone, including volumes of old-timers, are complaining or declaring they’ll never attend again…but nobody seems to actively be doing anything about it?
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Apparently, you aren't on the sekrit mailing list. Send a SASE I'll put you in after Heather.Skyler wrote:...You know, in some ways, BRC is our city – because if we want to, we can organize to save it. So…where is Concerned Citizens of Black Rock when you need it? Why is it that everyone, including volumes of old-timers, are complaining or declaring they’ll never attend again…but nobody seems to actively be doing anything about it?
Amazing desert structures & stuff: http://sites.google.com/site/potatotrap/
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Bob
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I meant "Agent Felicity Shagwell".
Amazing desert structures & stuff: http://sites.google.com/site/potatotrap/
"Let us say I suggest you may be human." -- Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam
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"My favorite counter culture event changed to a frat gawkers event. So I moved on to Burning Man."
- Pulled Unjon from another thread
I always appreciate a critique from a self-confessed opportunist. Anyway, so sorry that your first counter-culture event didn't pan out, Unjon! Did you actually take any ACTION to try and save it? No? Too stoned? Oh well, welcome to Burning Man!
"Just hoping that BM is still the event for me for a few more years."
Yeah, well why don't you hope in one hand and shit in the other and tell me which fills up first, hippie.
- Pulled Unjon from another thread
I always appreciate a critique from a self-confessed opportunist. Anyway, so sorry that your first counter-culture event didn't pan out, Unjon! Did you actually take any ACTION to try and save it? No? Too stoned? Oh well, welcome to Burning Man!
"Just hoping that BM is still the event for me for a few more years."
Yeah, well why don't you hope in one hand and shit in the other and tell me which fills up first, hippie.
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Skyler wrote:"My favorite counter culture event changed to a frat gawkers event. So I moved on to Burning Man."
- Pulled Unjon from another thread
I always appreciate a critique from a self-confessed opportunist. Anyway, so sorry that your first counter-culture event didn't pan out, Unjon! Did you actually take any ACTION to try and save it? No? Too stoned? Oh well, welcome to Burning Man!
"Just hoping that BM is still the event for me for a few more years."
Yeah, well why don't you hope in one hand and shit in the other and tell me which fills up first, hippie.
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First of all Sky, It's nice to see your keeper wipe the drool. Makes for a nice short post.
No I did not try to stop corporations from buying/selling the event I went to for 20+ years. I was not stoned at the time either. I just picked up a chip for 42 years clean of drugs. I also know when to move on. You could learn a little from that.
I reject some punk like you welcoming me anywhere. The BMP is open to anyone no matter how you think. Now run along and try to empress someone else w/ your dribble.
I'm the contraptioneer your mother warned you about.
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Well, no offense, Unjon, but from your posts I'd say you were a dry drunk. Maybe someone at that meeting you picked up your chip at could help you with a little 4th step work.
You're a complete asshole in your first response why? Oh, yeah - I wrote something too long for you to read. Wow, okay. And now you're telling me that I could learn something from you about moving on? Huh. How about this: either read the post or don't; react to what's inside the post or move on instead of posting a reactionary epithet because of the post's length? Now -that- seems recovered.
I can't even address your last barrage, because it shows you didn't read what I'd written in the first place. But thanks for sharing, and keep coming back.
You're a complete asshole in your first response why? Oh, yeah - I wrote something too long for you to read. Wow, okay. And now you're telling me that I could learn something from you about moving on? Huh. How about this: either read the post or don't; react to what's inside the post or move on instead of posting a reactionary epithet because of the post's length? Now -that- seems recovered.
I can't even address your last barrage, because it shows you didn't read what I'd written in the first place. But thanks for sharing, and keep coming back.
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Skyler wrote: I can't even address your last barrage, because it shows you didn't read what I'd written in the first place. But thanks for sharing, and keep coming back.
Hell no I didn't read it. You damn fool, I tried to tell you your drool was to long. All you had to do have your keeper to dab your mouth. But you had to show every one what kind of punk ass you are. Now run along and get your meds.
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Hello lovelies,
Not to worry, burning man is strong enough to endure a little criticism.
From what I could tell, she looked like she was having a good time but honestly, the playa ain't everyone's gig. I didn't see the Leno interview but I'm not suprised that was her reaction. She was there under the raydar. She didn't help build the camp. So, she has no idea of how difficult and how rewarding it is to be a part of building burningman. From what I heard it was her first time. She was a tourist, which is fine if that's the type of experience she wants to have...well, that says more about her perception and her ethics but also, it might say something about celebrity, which I know nothing about. I have no idea what's it like to have millions know who you are? It would be difficult or maybe even redundant to express your true self at burning man if you were a celebrity. I know as a poet and playwright the fear of expectations, the fear of disappointing people, the desire for people to like my work...I can only imagine how difficult it must be to have that type of scrutiny in the millions. And holy shit to have somone trust your opinion just because your famous...er, is that her fault? I'm sure most of you require some sort of logic and proof before you acquiesce. You can't worry what the uninformed audience of the Late Show will think or do because you have no control over that. Also, don't count out the growth of Heather Graham. I have grown immensly at burning man, confronted a lot of my own issues and made a lot of the same assumptions about burning man that changed because I came back...no, I was welcomed back. If HG never changes her mind then pity her because you know how special this place can be. Your efforts, your creativity, your energy, your love, and splendor show it...I saw a lot of it everywhere I went. Often I stood out on the playa with my friends awestruck at the city of lights in the middle of a fucking desert...TAZ...temporary autonomous zone. Hakim Bey would be proud.
love you all so much
your absence crushes me...
see you on the playa next year.
blackjohnnie.
p.s. she's gorgeous in person. Grrr.
Not to worry, burning man is strong enough to endure a little criticism.
From what I could tell, she looked like she was having a good time but honestly, the playa ain't everyone's gig. I didn't see the Leno interview but I'm not suprised that was her reaction. She was there under the raydar. She didn't help build the camp. So, she has no idea of how difficult and how rewarding it is to be a part of building burningman. From what I heard it was her first time. She was a tourist, which is fine if that's the type of experience she wants to have...well, that says more about her perception and her ethics but also, it might say something about celebrity, which I know nothing about. I have no idea what's it like to have millions know who you are? It would be difficult or maybe even redundant to express your true self at burning man if you were a celebrity. I know as a poet and playwright the fear of expectations, the fear of disappointing people, the desire for people to like my work...I can only imagine how difficult it must be to have that type of scrutiny in the millions. And holy shit to have somone trust your opinion just because your famous...er, is that her fault? I'm sure most of you require some sort of logic and proof before you acquiesce. You can't worry what the uninformed audience of the Late Show will think or do because you have no control over that. Also, don't count out the growth of Heather Graham. I have grown immensly at burning man, confronted a lot of my own issues and made a lot of the same assumptions about burning man that changed because I came back...no, I was welcomed back. If HG never changes her mind then pity her because you know how special this place can be. Your efforts, your creativity, your energy, your love, and splendor show it...I saw a lot of it everywhere I went. Often I stood out on the playa with my friends awestruck at the city of lights in the middle of a fucking desert...TAZ...temporary autonomous zone. Hakim Bey would be proud.
love you all so much
your absence crushes me...
see you on the playa next year.
blackjohnnie.
p.s. she's gorgeous in person. Grrr.
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sparkletarte
- Posts: 1020
- Joined: Mon May 03, 2004 12:00 pm
- Location: valley of the dolls
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Woo hoo! A big long post all about me! First HELL, now this. I feel so loved and cared for, like what I think really matters. Thank you burners!
Unjon, I am sorry about causing all of the drool. I had no idea that was going to happen. I'll try to be more careful next time.
Unjon, I am sorry about causing all of the drool. I had no idea that was going to happen. I'll try to be more careful next time.
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Bob
- Posts: 6747
- Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 10:00 am
- Burning Since: 1986
- Camp Name: Royaneh
- Location: San Francisco
- Contact:
It's all good. Just pick a better stage name next time.
Amazing desert structures & stuff: http://sites.google.com/site/potatotrap/
"Let us say I suggest you may be human." -- Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam
"Let us say I suggest you may be human." -- Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam
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fresh
- Posts: 258
- Joined: Sat Sep 13, 2003 1:53 am
- Burning Since: 2001
- Camp Name: Black Rock Roller Disco
- Location: Roaring Fork Valley, CO
- Contact:
o my g** THE"RE NUUUUDEEE n HIGH
"i'll get nude for millions of people to see as long as they pay me enough"
"i dropped acid with marky mark at the boogie nights premier"
"if i spend another minute in this g**forsaken desert, please strangle me"
geez what a quack
"All the worlds indeed a stage and we are merely players, performers and portrayers.
Each another's audience inside the gilded cage." - N. Peart
"SAFETY THIRD" - Some idiot
Each another's audience inside the gilded cage." - N. Peart
"SAFETY THIRD" - Some idiot
Blender, remember that little white bucket set up we saw in camp that one day on the playa? The one someone had set up to be used for nightime tinkle time?
Remember when we put our respirators on and borrowed it so that we could make those 'special' frozen raver pops that we handed out at Mutator?
OK, that's what a fucking honey bucket is you dumbass!!!
Hola
I know that this post is a long time coming and it really has nothing to do with the topic but....i love u Isotopia.
note to self:never accept yellow frozen pops on the playa
"a good traveller has no fixed plans and is not intent on arriving" -Lao Tzu
