Ugly Dougly wrote:Make a it private pool. Duh. Next challenge.
yep I agree, the way your camp was laid out it would be easy to give people there own space to "experiment with offerings"Trishntek wrote:Well I suppose from the campers' point of view, the convenience of that would be attractive. But from my point of view, it would provide the campers a nice shady spot to "own" for the week and make something in their given space which flows with the theme of Retrofrolic.
@Graidawg, you saw our space and how it was partitioned and furnished. With a bit of additional infrastructure, it could become a live-in smorgasbord of sensual scenarios. A compact compartmentalized collection of covert corporal confinement; individual turfs of tantalizing, teasing, tugging and tittilation! Doncha see? Cancha unnerstand?
Trishntek wrote:An epiphany was experienced tonight during my usual contemplation on the porcelain vortex. If I could find 10 campers or couples willing to dwell under my shade structure where they could enjoy a 10X12 foot area for personal space. In front of this space, would be a 10X15 foot area with which they can do what they wish, as long as it is interactive and encourages participation.
Each of these spaces would be partitioned for semi privacy and large enough to pitch a modest 2-person tent. They could use some of my furniture, throw a rug and some cushions down, have a massage chair or table, or create some off-the-wall sensual experience yet to be invented. I would merely be the facilitator of their project of participatory presence on the playa!
The individuals would be responsible for the care and supply of their provided space and would only need to cooperate with everyone else to have schedules of similar chronology. I would provide power and general lighting, music, a common kitchen/lounge area and other utilities for waste management, etc. This would all be tucked under 3600 sq. ft. solid shade area complete with tarp flooring.
I put a rough draft together on graph paper,,, any thoughts or ideas? The human factor is always the big variable. I'm still a relative rookie at leading a camp so any comments are welcome.
Hmmm that leads me to the obvious question, "What made you think that was NOT the subject?"Bob wrote:Pure genius. May I suggest a name? -- "THEME CAMP"
How about using a heater core in a sealed box as the heat exchanger. Through wall fittings for the water in and out for both the engine coolant and hot tub water. A large 12 volt sump pump would be fine for circulating flow but would not provide jet like force. You would probably want 2 pumps. One for circulating water and one for circulating water through the heat exchanger. I've ridden in a boat hot tub on the playa and it was freaking fantastic. No reason why you could not make it perfectly functional but not fill it with water until the last day or so.....Captain Goddammit wrote:This can be done if you have good fabrication skills. Putting the driver in the water is the most complicated part, and I'm not really sure it's the best part of the plan.ranger magnum wrote:I want to build a hot tub car. Take a chassis from a toyota pick up, and mount a 4 person hot tub to it. The heat for the water would come from the engine. Instead of a radiator, water would flow from the block to the hot tub, then back into the motor.
The driver would sit in the hot tub while driving, using hand controls on the steering wheel. Much like a motorcycle.
The big problem is filling/emptying the hot tub
About heating the water: You absolutely need to keep the radiator for the truck engine. DON'T actually run the engine coolant through the tub, for many reasons, not the least of which is you wouldn't be able to control the temperature of the tub very well. Instead, use the truck's heater hoses to run hot water to a heat exchanger to heat the tub water. The original tub heater is just a tube with an electric heating element in it that the water passes through... you can make a container that your tub water passes through, and plumb the truck's heater hoses through it, perhaps through some coils of copper tubing.
Even a four-person hot tub is awful heavy for any Toyota, you'll be fine cruising 5 MPH but you'll need to beef up the springs.
I don't see filling/emptying it as a big issue. A smaller tub like that is gonna be maybe 300 gallons or so. That will all fit in 6 55-gallon drums and you can get a reasonably inexpensive electric water pump from Harbor Freight. That much water will weigh about 2500 pounds. The rest of the vehicle will probably weigh about that, so maybe 5000 pounds. Any decent two-axle car trailer will handle this contraption.
If I were doing this, I'd get my electricity from the truck engine by using multiple alternators. They sell high-amp alternators for lots of money, but they require a lot of RPM and you'll be idling all the time - instead, go to the local Pull-A-Part or whatever junk yard and get some alternators from late '80s to early '90s GM small cars or S-10 pickups. That will be the "CS 130" unit that cranks out a ton of current at idle speed. You can combine their outputs directly in parallel. You can Google how to wire them, you need to hook up a few extra wires but it's not too complicated. Then run a big inverter. Unless you can get a big enough inverter and enough alternators to run it, you might need to go with a smaller, weaker hot tub water pump than the original one, maybe swap a smaller electric motor onto it or go with an entirely different pump, maybe the same little Harbor Freight unit you use to transfer the water from the drums to the tub. It won't give you the kind of pressure you need for massage jets but it will circulate the water. The start-up current of a standard hot tub pump might be pretty high.
Driving from IN the tub will make setting up the driving position a challenge, it seems you'd either be facing backwards or you'd have a steering column stretching right over the middle of your tub.
I can totally see this thing, all covered in cedar planking, with a nice deck over the engine in front, a big umbrella, etc.
Are you thinking of making us bigger? Or are you just tossing the whole idea of Retrofrolic???? Please tell me it ain't so!!! Or just providing us with entertainment? Change is scary!!!!! Arrrgh!Trishntek wrote:An epiphany was experienced tonight during my usual contemplation on the porcelain vortex. If I could find 10 campers or couples willing to dwell under my shade structure where they could enjoy a 10X12 foot area for personal space. In front of this space, would be a 10X15 foot area with which they can do what they wish, as long as it is interactive and encourages participation.
Each of these spaces would be partitioned for semi privacy and large enough to pitch a modest 2-person tent. They could use some of my furniture, throw a rug and some cushions down, have a massage chair or table, or create some off-the-wall sensual experience yet to be invented. I would merely be the facilitator of their project of participatory presence on the playa!
The individuals would be responsible for the care and supply of their provided space and would only need to cooperate with everyone else to have schedules of similar chronology. I would provide power and general lighting, music, a common kitchen/lounge area and other utilities for waste management, etc. This would all be tucked under 3600 sq. ft. solid shade area complete with tarp flooring.
I put a rough draft together on graph paper,,, any thoughts or ideas? The human factor is always the big variable. I'm still a relative rookie at leading a camp so any comments are welcome.
It's an interesting idea. Maybe lots of mirrors and fake Xmas trees to give the illusion of an endless forest?moonwookie wrote:This was and still is my idea for my own campsite next year, but with a determined effort on the part of a few more people, a theme could emerge. From the outside, the tent would look totally normal during the day...but inside would be a painted forest scene. It wouldn't matter if it's not terribly realistic, in fact a mix of styles would be even better. At night, when these scenes are lit from within (multi-colored lights!), there would be a "forest of forests" on the Playa. Naturally, mine would also have glow in the dark paint so that you could see the outlines of trees and a star field after you turned the lights out. There would be the problem of curious people potentially knocking on your door long after you've decided you need privacy, but maybe there could be a communal something to feed that attention a little bit away from the main group.
After a brief stall in my flight toward Burning Man due to unemployment, I am back on track to attending next year. I will bring candied bacon chocolate chip cookies to the Decompression in LA tomorrow...
That'd probably be a new one.BBadger wrote:You can get non-potable water at some gas stations. Maybe it's for washing cars? We mistakenly thought we could use that for filling up our bottles one time but discovered that it was non-potable, so we ended up using it just for washing. I don't know if they'd appreciate you taking a metric ton or two of water though.
