The Bar, Volume #4

[Aurelia]

Dear fishy, Did you get your flu shot in time ?
I am waving my get well wand toward you as fast as possible
xoA.

[ygmir]

*wanders in, starts ECM*
wow.......slow night here. well, holidays approaching and all are busy.
Personally, I can't wait for them to be over..........I really go into a "hole" from about now to new year.

*Makes CCCP, heads for ROS*

[Aurelia]

Dear Yggy
come to the edge of the hole and grab my hand..I will pull you up and lets go have some fun
xoA.

[ygmir]

I'll be hiding in Aghartha.

[magicmarty]

Morning ASD and YG. I share your feelings about the holidays, YG. Always happy on 12/26, when the music returns to the secular. But ASD is right, we should have all the fun we can anyway.

Cheers

(((LF)))

[Aurelia]

Having just put new workings in my finder , I was going to give it away to my new son in law but I will keep it for the see

My jingle today is that I am off to get new brakes
Yes, brakes are good very good

[Aurelia]

Marty, are you coming to the north bay regional meeting ?
with new brakes coming on today and a life restart for me I am loving this crisp beautiful time of year
xoA.

[magicmarty]

ASD, haven't planned on it, but where and when? I'm always open to these things.

[Aurelia]

Going to the brake store the brake store (actually Rulli in larkspur) to have the priciest coffee in town while my car is checked by the best.all the uberschooling I had and I still know squat about hydraulics
Marty it is on Sunday..NBayBurners to discuss what worked and what didnt
xoA.

[trilobyte]

Sorry to hear you're sick, Fishy. I suspect I might be right behind you. Woke up yesterday with a strangely sore throat (sore but not the usual scratchy kind), today it feels a bit like I've been punched in the neck. Blarg. With enough bedrest and booze, my immune system should be able to make short work of whatever it is.

[Simon of the Playa]

i'm so glad my bloodstream is toxic to most foreign entities.


my white blood cells are used to the high concentrations of THC


germs and viruses die quickly when confronted with mutant antibodies that can function in an environment of cannabinoid haze as mine do.


im only susceptible to "Hippie Flu" which is why i avoid them like the plague.

[AntiM]

Ugh on being sick. Heal soon!

[gyre]

Aserendipity, I hope you're being towed in.
And I hope you have them find out why and how they failed.
It's really quite difficult for brakes to fail abruptly and catastrophically.
I've only ever seen it happen on the early toyotas imported.
However they didn't so much fail, as never work in the first place.
Unrepairable due to the design.
More the suggestion of a brake system, than actual brakes.

[lucky420]

thanks Simon, now I know why I rarely get sick.

Hope I didn't just jinx myself...

[moonrise]

Sending healing vibes to all you sickos in the bar4!

[gyre]

Oh, unlikely fish was fluke

[Aurelia]

Dear Ones who are feeling physically impaired, may you soon regain full strength. Loved Simon's message !

On the subject of brakes . They are good . I now know more than I ever did before about the systems which control them. BUT I am still remembering the moments of going forward when death seemed likely. Pin it to my favorite moments hanging on to sweet man on his Wide Glide.
I was thinking about the wrong things when I did not fully release my e- brake.

And I do believe in getting a flu shot.
xoA.

[gyre]

The emergency brake was involved?

[Aurelia]

YES
I made a mistake
first one since my last one

[gyre]

That can happen when the brake won't hold the car, which is often the case.

How did that cause the brake failure?

[Aurelia]

That was my question also
my son kept telling me that I should have been able to really stomp hard enough to force the hydraulic brakes
so I was feeling not only stupid but too weak
but today i learned that there is a heating which overrides so not only the rear is altered all of the system is nonresponsive
Hey my mind was elsewhere ...time to face that failure .relation
it was not the car
thanks for listening give a new thread up

[gyre]

If this is possible, I really want to understand it.
As far as I understand it, the only thing that should have happened is rear brake failure, dangerous, but no front brake failure.
Some electronic controls may have some complexity I am unaware of.

Overheating brake fluid or pads can cause softness or failure.
It's hard for an emergency brake to do this, especially if it wasn't on hard enough to prevent driving.
It won't affect the front brakes.
Emergency brakes usually are mechanical, so have no effect on brake fluid.

The crudest emergency brakes use a mechanical cable to tension the standard rear brakes, drum or disc.
Superior units have a separate caliper or totally separate brake set on the rear wheels, typically drum brakes on a disc rear system.

The hydraulic system is normally two systems in an X pattern.
Both must fail to lose braking.
Better systems use three.

Without some other failure you should not have lost braking.
I think your son is right.

I would really like to know more.
If this can happen, I need to know how it is possible.

I'm glad you survived this.

Can you describe how the pedal behaved at the time?

[ygmir]

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[Aurelia]

Oh you are both kind
I am indeed trying to deal with failure which began with me and has not yet ended in hanging but may yet cause the next move
Nothing worked ,not the brake nor down shifting the car

[ygmir]

it is a joke.......sorry.

[magicmarty]

no noose is good noose!!!

[Aurelia]

Yggy, please continue to joke as I really appreciate you.
spent some of today attempting to understand Petraeus and Armstrong fuckups in light of my own failure
levity is called for

[ygmir]

thanks asd........you'd have to have been around a long time, to get the joke.....sorry, sort of an inside thing. no disrespect meant. haha yeah, ya gotta be able to laugh, it beats the hell out of crying. I do understand that.

[magicmarty]

"Laugh and the world laughs with you, cry and you cry alone" Well, not too sure that's really true, especially around this joint. Anyway, we can't take all these things too seriously, because "to err is human, to forgive divine" Two lines, two quotes. Not too shabby.

Dives into the NEB for a serious snuggle.

(((LF)))

[gyre]

You really mustn't feel bad about forgetting the emergency brake.
It happens.

Losing all brakes is very concerning though.
Maybe there is a communication issue, but if your shop can't explain it, you may need a second opinion.

Sudden brake failures in accidental acceleration cases have happened, usually vacuum line related.
Murder mysteries have explored the concept for ages, and it is hard to do and always leaves traces.
Limiting braking force is easier, but that is easy to discover too.

Then, there is the idiot's approach of spraying tire polish on your brake pads by accident.
(See Three Stooges)
Mischief ensues.