I don't understand???

Cargo Cult - Who is John Frum? He is known to us by many names, this Visitor from Elsewhere, dispenser of endless abundance and wielder of mysterious technologies: John Frum, Quetzalcoatl, Osiris, "Bob." His cargo is splendid, his generosity boundless, his motives beyond our understanding. But across the ages and around the world, the stories all agree: one day he will return, bearing great gifts. Our theme this year asks three related questions; who is John Frum, where is he really from, and where, on spaceship Earth, are we all going?
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I don't understand???

Postby Raven9940 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:01 pm

I'm sorry but can someone explain this years theme to me?

I tried reading the summary twice and I still don't understand. What does the name cargo cult mean? What does it have to do with aliens? Or cults? How are people going to reflect whatever the theme is at the burn?

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Re: I don't understand???

Postby Simon of the Playa » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:08 pm

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Re: I don't understand???

Postby 9ah » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:10 pm

Well... uummm.. this is awkward....

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cargo+cult

Update: I notice you said you 'tried' reading... I think that's where the issue may lie, my dear. Maybe a youtube video with a verbal explanation may help further.... And you're in Brooklyn and you can't figure out cargo cult. Getting into Manhattan on the weekend must be a mindfuck.

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Postby theCryptofishist » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:12 pm

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Postby Elliot » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:15 pm

Rent the movie Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome. In the second half of the movie you get to see a cargo cult in action.
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Postby Elorrum » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:28 pm

First, I agree with Simon. Do a bit more thinking. Here's my take, and I'm still trying to figure out what my personal cult will be about. There was something, or you think there was something, that was once here, is now gone, and you want it back. You want the thing back, or you want the entities who brought it to come back, and bring more. It's something exquisite, magical, out of this world, perhaps, and you have no way to obtain it on your own. How do you get that? How do you ask, cajole, bribe, worship, offer tribute? What is it that you want to come back?
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Re: I don't understand???

Postby Elliot » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:48 pm

Raven,
As for the aliens, my understanding is that the next "John Frums" who arrive on the islands may not come in propeller planes and steam ships as they did in World War Two, but may arrive in flying saucers -- which opens up new possibilities for art.

By the way, you are not required, or even expected, to do anything with the official theme. It's just a suggestion.
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Re: I don't understand???

Postby Eric » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:08 pm

Raven9940 wrote:I'm sorry but can someone explain this years theme to me?


Burn Shit and Blow Shit Up.
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Everything else is Larry passing gas.




Other than that, Elliot & Ellorum pretty much nailed it.
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Re: I don't understand???

Postby Elorrum » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:09 pm

Elliot wrote:Raven,
As for the aliens, my understanding is that the next "John Frums" who arrive on the islands may not come in propeller planes and steam ships as they did in World War Two, but may arrive in flying saucers -- which opens up new possibilities for art.

By the way, you are not required, or even expected, to do anything with the official theme. It's just a suggestion.
or if you think of the whole Chariots of the Gods speculation, they've been here already.
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Postby 9ah » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:09 pm

Elliot wrote:By the way, you are not required, or even expected, to do anything with the official theme. It's just a suggestion.


So true... I mean I am packing cargo shorts this year, so I'm kinda doing something with the theme....
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Postby Drawingablank » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:26 pm

The movie The Gods Must be Crazy is a favorite of mine and pretty much what I envision cargo cultism to be all about.
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Re: I don't understand???

Postby BurnerBunny » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:39 pm

I'm thinking of a cargo cult that tries to get all the straight guys to drop trou again :mrgreen:

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Postby Elliot » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:40 pm

Drawingablank wrote:The movie The Gods Must be Crazy is a favorite of mine and pretty much what I envision cargo cultism to be all about.

Now that I do not understand. I watched that film after the theme was announced, and I saw nothing like a cargo cult. :?:

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Postby Drawingablank » Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:05 pm

Elliot wrote:
Drawingablank wrote:The movie The Gods Must be Crazy is a favorite of mine and pretty much what I envision cargo cultism to be all about.

Now that I do not understand. I watched that film after the theme was announced, and I saw nothing like a cargo cult. :?:

(Not that it matters.) :D


Well, not the full extremities of a true cargo cult but in many respects the thinking that an empty coke bottle tossed from a plane came from the gods fits pretty well. Admittedly the Mad Max Thunderdome movie is a better fit, but not nearly as funny a movie.
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Postby 9ah » Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:16 am

Why aren't they wearing cargo shorts, Zeke?
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Re: I don't understand???

Postby Savannah » Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:21 am

The thing I think about over and over again, in terms of the concept of a "Cargo Cult", are:

1) one culture who wants advancement
2) a second, technically more advanced culture that seems godlike, but isn't necessarily, or in all ways, and . . .
3) how it's very human to seek answers from the Gods (or some form of higher power . . . aliens, Gurus, whatever) despite the fact that those answers may never come, or would be healthier or wiser coming from within.

I think it's a very interesting theme, and will enjoy seeing what people do with it, but . . . I will probably (personally) ignore it as I usually do. :)
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Re: I don't understand???

Postby BBadger » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:22 am

Don't worry about the theme. You go to BM, there are some funny sounding street names in alphabetical order, see the man and temple with designs unrelated to the theme, and really nothing else related to the "theme" besides the ticket design.
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Postby ygmir » Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:35 am

Savannah wrote:The thing I think about over and over again, in terms of the concept of a "Cargo Cult", are:

1) one culture who wants advancement
2) a second, technically more advanced culture that seems godlike, but isn't necessarily, or in all ways, and . . .
3) how it's very human to seek answers from the Gods (or some form of higher power . . . aliens, Gurus, whatever) despite the fact that those answers may never come, or would be healthier or wiser coming from within.

I think it's a very interesting theme, and will enjoy seeing what people do with it, but . . . I will probably (personally) ignore it as I usually do. :)



ok, c'mon.......you know, we all know:

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Re: I don't understand???

Postby some seeing eye » Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:19 am

Savanah, are you saying Larry is a god? :wink:
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Postby BBadger » Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:46 am

some seeing eye wrote:Savanah, are you saying Larry is a god? :wink:


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Postby Simon of the Playa » Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:53 am

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Postby oscillator » Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:28 am

Yeah, I too was puzzled at first.

Then watched this video, and things became immediately clear. Might work for you too...

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Postby trilobyte » Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:24 am

Ask Uncle Google. Spend a little time reading the threads on this board. With a little bit of basic research on your end, you can get the idea. From there you can either ignore it and do whatever you want anyways, or riff on some aspect of the theme that strikes your fancy and have fun with it.

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Postby scruffenheimer » Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:40 pm

I like the Cargo Cult theme. To me it reflects the need for knowledge and understanding over superstition. The theme addresses the way ignorance can lead us to resort to pathetic mimicry of past events in an effort to summon the things we want and need. Knowledge is power. Ignorance leaves us making pathetic gestures in an attempt to imitate the past, hoping those gestures will bring about the desired result.

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Postby Ugly Dougly » Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:46 pm

scruffenheimer wrote:I like the Cargo Cult theme. To me it reflects the need for knowledge and understanding over superstition. The theme addresses the way ignorance can lead us to resort to pathetic mimicry of past events in an effort to summon the things we want and need. Knowledge is power. Ignorance leaves us making pathetic gestures in an attempt to imitate the past, hoping those gestures will bring about the desired result.

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Re: I don't understand???

Postby theCryptofishist » Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:40 pm

I wonder if we'll get a lot of science v. faith stuff this year.
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Re: I don't understand???

Postby Martiena » Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:00 am

9ah wrote:Well... uummm.. this is awkward....

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cargo+cult

Update: I notice you said you 'tried' reading... I think that's where the issue may lie, my dear. Maybe a youtube video with a verbal explanation may help further.... And you're in Brooklyn and you can't figure out cargo cult. Getting into Manhattan on the weekend must be a mindfuck.

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Postby Ugly Dougly » Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:05 am

It can also been seen as a rejection of the tendency to worship high technology and a rediscovery of a primal "kastom" heritage.


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