street vs avenue - help!

[freeeeeman]

i was filling out the placement questionnaire and it seems as though there's options for streets and avenues... but i can't find what the difference is anywhere on bm.com or on eplaya....

does anyone know? are "streets" the radials and "avenues" the spokes?

http://www.burningman.com/themecamps/20 ... -zone.html

[FIGJAM]

That would be my guess.

[TomServo]

Good Question! My guess..and it's JUST a guess...The hours would be the streets.ie.. 10:00, 3:30, etc.. And the Named ones..Avenues. My guess is they are smart enough to figure it out, if you're wrong. Don't know the street or avenue names for this year, but here's an example...10:30 and Mars

[TomServo]

The Name streets have been alphabetical lately..so A, B, C, up to J I think

[fritz]

does anyone know? are "streets" the radials and "avenues" the spokes?

http://www.burningman.com/themecamps/20 ... -zone.html

The link you provided appears to answer the question. The Esplanade is described as the "first street." So I think that means the radials are streets.

3:00, 4:30, 7:30, and 9:00 are listed as "avenues." It likely means that the "spokes" are avenues.

[freeeeeman]

yeah, that's what i'm thinking.
the placement questionnaire reads

... esplanade ... is the first street at the front

and

... avenues ... are high visibility & traffic locations on the radial streets

of course, they wrote "avenue" and described it as a "radial street"... lol....

i just wish the map showed it definitively so i could be sure when i click "submit"...

[illy dilly]

Well, shoot. I thought this explanation of the 2012 city layout might help, but clearly it references both numbered and lettered roads as Streets

In 2012, the annular streets are named:
Esplanade
Alyssum
Begonia
Columbine
Dandelion
Edelweiss
Foxglove
Geranium
Hyacinth
Iris
Jasmine
Kingcup
Lilac

The road circling Center Camp is named “Rod's Road” in honor of BRC designer Rod Garrett (1936-2011).

The light blue shaded area does not specify, but rather approximates where you will find reserved-placement, interactive theme camps (we're holding some prime space for the general public there too). Reserved theme camp space is marked on the playa with blue survey flags. Some of these plots are so large that they may appear unclaimed and available, when they actually are not. Be sure to camp outside the blue flagged zones to avoid encroaching on reserved zones, and then having to relocate your camp. Gates open at 6 pm Sunday 8/26. After 11:59 Sunday night, all truly unclaimed camping space everywhere is available to all.

The distance from the inner-most Esplanade street to the Man is 2400 feet. Esplanade to Alyssum Street, curb to curb, is 400 feet deep. Other mid-city double-deep blocks are 430 feet deep. The remaining blocks are 200 feet deep.

BOULEVARD G
A mid-city interactive boulevard, 40-foot wide Geranium street is adjacent to double-deep blocks and features art plazas at 4:30 and 7:30.

Public plazas are at Kingcup and 3:00, 6:00, and 9:00. We are holding most of the camping space around these plazas unreserved and available for the general public to occupy and maintain as an experiment in spontaneous urban planning and collaboration.

[illy dilly]

yeah, that's what i'm thinking.
the placement questionnaire reads

... esplanade ... is the first street at the front

and

... avenues ... are high visibility & traffic locations on the radial streets

of course, they wrote "avenue" and described it as a "radial street"... lol....

i just wish the map showed it definitively so i could be sure when i click "submit"...

In your camp description or notes (I haven't looked at the questionnaire for this year), describe where you want the frontage of your camp to be. Then on your camp layout, but it on there as well. We had a lot of luck with this approach for 2011 and 2012.

Example: "Our camp will have a grandiose and inviting entrance to everyone walking along _____ (3:00 or A)."

[theCryptofishist]

It's nice to see you use 3 ans A like that, illy.

[Just_Joe]

does anyone know? are "streets" the radials and "avenues" the spokes?

Yes.
Avenues are much more heavily traveled. If placed on one you will actually have a corner (or two).
Camp frontage becomes a little less defined on the spokes and I'd think that stuff left out would be more likely to *walk* away due to heavy traffic.
I prefer streets...

[illy dilly]

It's nice to see you use 3 ans A like that, illy.

Hey, some of the best camps are at 3 and A.

[Dr. Pyro]

3:30 and E doesn't suck much either.

[TomServo]

West side BRC! Fuck 3 o clock!

[illy dilly]

3:30 and E doesn't suck much either.

O, I think we all know where THE BEST camp is.
But, the 3&A camps are definitely in the top 10.

[TomServo]

Too much Drama. must be the dust

[gyre]

I don't know what the hell burning man means by avenue, but the purpose normally seems to be to delineate roads in one direction from roads going another direction in city planning.

Definitions say that an avenue is more heavily used, but I don't see that in practice in city use.

We have a church called the Widget Avenue Church on Widget Street.
This was a town before taken into the larger city.
The direction of avenues went from north-south to east-west.

In brc, heavy traffic can vary in direction, just like any city, so that's no help.
Ask the llc.

[illy dilly]

I don't know what the hell burning man means by avenue, but the purpose normally seems to be to delineate roads in one direction from roads going another direction in city planning.

Um...
Thats exactly what Burning Man means by Avenue versus Street.

[freeeeeman]

awesome. thanks all.

[knowmad]

I don't know what the hell burning man means by avenue, but the purpose normally seems to be to delineate roads in one direction from roads going another direction in city planning....

Showing up to the playa could help?
but yeah, topic is covered. Can we declare this page two yet?

[gyre]

So I could learn to be an arrogant busyminded asshole if I wasn't 2,000 miles away, and could attend when You thought I should?

When did you ever cover my fucking expenses?

Go back to your gossip and fuck off.
What a burner ideal to aspire to!


I still don't see anything but guesses posted.

[mgb327]

so typical.

[knowmad]

So I could learn to be an arrogant busyminded asshole if I wasn't 2,000 miles away, and could attend when You thought I should?

When did you ever cover my fucking expenses?

Go back to your gossip and fuck off.
What a burner ideal to aspire to!


I still don't see anything but guesses posted.

[Eric]

Step it down before it gets ugly(er) kids.

Thank you.

[Simon of the Playa]

So I could learn to be an arrogant busyminded asshole if I wasn't 2,000 miles away, and could attend when You thought I should?

When did you ever cover my fucking expenses?

Go back to your gossip and fuck off.
What a burner ideal to aspire to!


I still don't see anything but guesses posted.

not gonna say it, biting my tongue......Dear Mods, you owe me....

[freeeeeman]

Step it down before it gets ugly(er) kids.

Thank you.

sorry eric. didn't mean to start a riot. my original message was actually to you and then i figured i'd spare you and just ask eplaya instead. whoops.

[BBadger]

sorry eric. didn't mean to start a riot. my original message was actually to you and then i figured i'd spare you and just ask eplaya instead. whoops.

You didn't start that fire. That shit was always burning. Since the ePlaya's been turning.

[trilobyte]

All the roads are streets, with the following exceptions:

3:00, 4:30, 7:30, and 9:00 are Avenues. They're wider streets, and also have plazas on them.
The street whose name starts with G has evolved in the last couple years and is now thought of as a Boulevard. It's wider than the other 'lettered' streets to facilitate mutant vehicle traffic and connects with the 4:30 and 7:30 plazas.

When filling out the questionnaire (which I still have to get to), I believe you choose the general zone as outlined on the page the OP linked. From there, if you have a more specific placement request, make it (asking nicely, of course) in the comments/additional info field. Placement tries to accommodate peoples' requests, though the more specific or exacting you're looking for the less likely you are to get what you want. It's not because they're jerks and are trying to punish you for being demanding, it's that specific locations (ie such and such corner) limits the number of places they can put you. A more general request gives them dozens of opportunities to fit you into the neighborhood.

Good luck!

[freeeeeman]

awesome! thanks trilo. it might be a good idea for BMorg to update their picture/instructions in the questionnaire to have this info...

[trilobyte]

The picture is accurate to what I said, save for Boulevard G. However that's still a relatively newer thing, and still being developed by Placement. I'm sure they'll update it as they reach the point where it becomes an integral part of the placement process.

[freeeeeman]

The picture is accurate to what I said, save for Boulevard G. However that's still a relatively newer thing, and still being developed by Placement. I'm sure they'll update it as they reach the point where it becomes an integral part of the placement process.

yeah, it's just not as intuitive to those of us who didn't know there was a difference between a street, avenue & road prior to filling out the questionnaire. i'm glad you were able to help me out. thanks again.