Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night....

buckethead alien · Post by **buckethead alien** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:13 am

Joel: Name calling?

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:44 am

buckethead alien wrote:Joel: Name calling?

assignment of appropriate nouns and adjectives...

i get pretty rattled, as evidenced by my most recent posts when someone speaks so denigratingly about this democracy...

furthermore, DVD doesn't seem able to distinghuish between the democracy, as we know it, and the Bush Administration... one is the framwork, one is a temporary occuppant within the framework.

and then to claim Anarchy is better than the current government (framework, not administration)

as far as i am concerned, he's a parasite, living off the goodwill of the rest of us.

yeah, it lessons my argument by using nouns and adjectives... but hey, at least i am not a belligerent sock...

just a belligerent joel.

Main Entry: bel·lig·er·ent
Pronunciation: -r&nt
Function: adjective
Etymology: modification of Latin belligerant-, belligerans, present participle of belligerare to wage war, from belliger waging war, from bellum + gerere to wage
1 : waging war; specifically : belonging to or recognized as a state at war and protected by and subject to the laws of war
2 : inclined to or exhibiting assertiveness, hostility, or combativeness
- belligerent noun
- bel·lig·er·ent·ly adverb
synonyms BELLIGERENT, BELLICOSE, PUGNACIOUS, QUARRELSOME, CONTENTIOUS mean having an aggressive or fighting attitude. BELLIGERENT implies being actually at war or engaged in hostilities <belligerent nations>. BELLICOSE suggests a disposition to fight <a drunk in a bellicose mood>. PUGNACIOUS suggests a disposition that takes pleasure in personal combat <a pugnacious thug>. QUARRELSOME stresses an ill-natured readiness to fight without good cause <the heat made us all quarrelsome>. CONTENTIOUS implies perverse and irritating fondness for arguing and quarreling <wearied by his contentious disposition>.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:23 am

guys...both of you make valid points much of the time, I hope you find the path to chilling out a little

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 12:08 pm

Okay, so I hear that the US is the last hold out on signing on the Kyoto Accord. Get on it would you!

birdbrain · Post by **birdbrain** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 1:59 pm

Hello all,
Last night I went to Reno (even though I'm currently from Utah) to see John Kerry. It was exiting and energizing. I just wanted to say that in person he is even more compelling than in 60 second sound bites. He has excellent reasoning abilities yet projects an image of honest decisiveness and truly compassionate leadership. He understands the issues from a variety of angles and levels and is able to communicate his ideas effectively. Further, I think he "does have the back" of the American people and will not let us down. Finally, I think he can help restore dignity and credibility to our nation such that once again we will be trusted and respected around the global community. Ultimately, his team does not appear to have the conflict of interest (Zapata oil, Haliburton, Blackwater, etc. etc. etc. that taints the present administration............Thanks for letting me have my say-please note I've misplaced my glasses without which I can barely see the keys much less what I've written!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And to all a good vote

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 2:10 pm

birdbrain wrote:Hello all,
Last night I went to Reno (even though I'm currently from Utah) to see John Kerry. It was exiting and energizing. I just wanted to say that in person he is even more compelling than in 60 second sound bites. He has excellent reasoning abilities yet projects an image of honest decisiveness and truly compassionate leadership. He understands the issues from a variety of angles and levels and is able to communicate his ideas effectively. Further, I think he "does have the back" of the American people and will not let us down. Finally, I think he can help restore dignity and credibility to our nation such that once again we will be trusted and respected around the global community. Ultimately, his team does not appear to have the conflict of interest (Zapata oil, Haliburton, Blackwater, etc. etc. etc. that taints the present administration............Thanks for letting me have my say-please note I've misplaced my glasses without which I can barely see the keys much less what I've written!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And to all a good vote :D :D :D

a worthy post that deserves repeating! Thanks BB

birdbrain · Post by **birdbrain** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 2:37 pm

Thanks, cowboyangel
Have a nice Saturday night :

-your avian friend, foul weather or fair...
birdbrain

robbidobbs · Post by **robbidobbs** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:18 pm

Burn it down now!
The idea that anarchy is somehow superior or inevitable is IMO naive. We've seen it stop working at BM, what makes you think it would work with millions of diverse people who have been intellectually and physically malnourished for decades? I’m not so hippy-dippy that I don’t believe that democracy may still have to come from a warm gun however. There is one thing that I've learned from my years in counter-culture: that as much as the word "anarchy" sounds good, has high cool-value, and plays into our feelings of frustration, it's just not economically feasible. The French Revoluntion, nor the National Socialist Party takeover in Germany are not the models we should be looking at. People are not starving in the streets. We still have our Bread and Circuses. In a couple weeks, either I sigh in relief as I did in 1990, or I start making plans.

Looting, rioting, demonstrating, boycotts, speechifying, blogging, guerilla-lsd lacing, technology hijacking, and mass exodus is my idea of what may come in a couple weeks. But not anarchy.

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:29 pm

The problem with Kerry is that he is very protectionist. Although more people in the rest of the world may prefer him to Bush, he'll be building walls to protect the US, just of a different sort, so in the end he may not make that many more friends.

Geez, if I was in the US I'd be feeling at a loss as far as who to vote for. It doesn't really seem like you get much choice down there. Hmmm, ultra-conservative, or extra-conservative? Which to pick...

The closer the election gets, the less I think Kerry will win. Bush is the symbol of the American dream- a seemingly dolt-headed 'regular' guy who became president. If Bush can do it, so can I! No, sorry, regular American, you can't. The system isn't set up that way, they just want you to think it is. I've decided that's why he appeals to so many people. Hey, you can be stupid and be the president! And if you sound smart and are articulate, you must be elitist and arrogant! Can't have that in a president- who would all of the dolt-headed regular folks look up to? What would happen to the American dream? Don't worry about it, people, just keep shopping. Keep pursuing happiness...it's just around the corner, or maybe in that next store...

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:00 pm

buckethead alien wrote:Joel: Name calling?

It's what whiners do when they are upset they are not getting their way or think what they are hearing just may be true.

I think Joel should do better than name calling. Maybe try proving that G.W. Bush & Co. should not be in jail for treason and fraud.

As long as people are allowed to believe and follow Bush & Co. this world will always have a problem. I on the other hand have a solution and have been introducing it no matter how much it is ignored or disagreed with.

The point is what is in place now as a solution (Bush) is not working. I really dont think Kerry is really gonna solve anything but any one is better than Bush & Co. I guess.......Nah, Bush & Co. will still be running things when Kerry is in office......It's all bullshit, everyone is falling for it.

Anarchy is truly the way.

Glad you had a great time BB.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:04 pm

actually I dont get the parasite one.

I'm not sucking anything from anyone or anything. Quite the opposite around me.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:15 pm

DVD Burner wrote:Anarchy is truly the way.

and I consider the above statement on of treason
and... any attempt at Anarchy, an act of treason.

Main Entry: trea·son
Pronunciation: 'trE-z&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English tresoun, from Old French traison, from Latin tradition-, traditio act of handing over, from tradere to hand over, betray -- more at TRAITOR
1 : the betrayal of a trust : TREACHERY
2 : the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:19 pm

Simply Joel wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:Anarchy is truly the way.
and I consider the above statement on of treason
and... any attempt at Anarchy, an act of treason.

Main Entry: trea·son
Pronunciation: 'trE-z&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English tresoun, from Old French traison, from Latin tradition-, traditio act of handing over, from tradere to hand over, betray -- more at TRAITOR
1 : the betrayal of a trust : TREACHERY
2 : the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family

I think solidarity and non-violence is the way but I support anyone's right to talk anarchy because of freedom of speech

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:30 pm

Simply Joel wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:Anarchy is truly the way.
and I consider the above statement on of treason
and... any attempt at Anarchy, an act of treason.

Main Entry: trea·son
Pronunciation: 'trE-z&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English tresoun, from Old French traison, from Latin tradition-, traditio act of handing over, from tradere to hand over, betray -- more at TRAITOR
1 : the betrayal of a trust : TREACHERY
2 : the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family

So Let's see now.......You say what Bush & Co. is doing now is diffrent than Anarchy?

"Ye haw...Let's go and kick some Iraqi children and women and men that have no equipment equal to ours ass."

Dood face it....Bush & Co. are a bunch of punk ass bitches that need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Fact...They lied to the world and are still lying.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:21 pm

robbidobbs · Post by **robbidobbs** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:33 pm

Eep, that's scary.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:35 pm

What's even scarier is that he has kids.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:19 am

Thing that cracks me up about some people on this board and most definitly on another board is how they can come on this board and talk shit about it or about people on this board and get upset if the same gets dished back on them.....

Take for example:

Joel makes a "Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night.... " thread and as soon as anyone has a differing opinion he gets upset and starts calling names and whining and all.

Top it off it even more amazes me how anyone from Burningman can be a part of a movement (Bush & Co) that has no regaurd for Burningman and thinks they are nothing but a bunch of freaks anyway.

Can you Imagine true Republicans and Bush and Cheney saying...."Yeah we dig Burningman"

Do yall feel in the slightest bit to be suckers of any kind?

Answer that if you're not in too much denial.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:45 am

DVD Burner wrote:Do yall feel in the slightest bit to be suckers of any kind?

everytime i waste my time reading your posts.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:48 am

Simply Joel wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:Do yall feel in the slightest bit to be suckers of any kind?
everytime i waste my time reading your posts.

weak dood. ya gotta do better than that......

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:52 am

Last Real Burner Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 8:01 am Post subject: IMHO... wrote:Politics Suck. And so do others opinions of it.

"I live in my own little world, but it's ok... They know me here."

policically,
mr smith

DVD Burner Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:34 am wrote:DAMN! wong sock again.

so, this raises the question, who is the sock here?

DVD Burner Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 4:07 pm wrote:You are right about these paperless voting machines, placed in 15 counties in Florida, but I don't see finding another way to vote or voting for Kerry, or any of the above solving this or any of the countries current problems.

Voting will not get rid of the shadow government and low I.Q. bullies that run not only this country but the world.

and if anyone thinks that a bunch of peaceful protests and writings to your representatives is going to help you, you are ignoring and underestimating just how bent 4 generations of the Bush family violently can and will be.

Hey,I know everyone means well when it comes to voting, honesty, patriotism and all but one of the ways that the world works goes like this.
Bush, Cheney, wolfowitz and the lot, along with their followers will stop at nothing to keep the front that they've won the election of next no matter what.
anyone that didn't see it coming in 2000 (which are many) will start to learn this year. I wouldn't put it passed these "Bush" people to suddenly have some kind of national emergency that causes them to claim Marshall law in order to prevent the vote from happening.

These guys are a very very sneaky, keniving, maliciously violent bunch. Mark my word they will pull a new one. Nothing cynical about it. They have been up to this for a very long time and have a very specific mission. They have every intention to show all their cards soon.

Please don't miss understand me. I am not a democrat/republican or independent. just a realist

Please note dear readers, this rant has been repeated time and time again by whoever DVD/LRb is… all the way through 93 pages of this thread… so at least they are consistent… yet, anyone can be consistently incorrect when they don’t have an open mind. And as sure as I type those words, I know that those words will be turned upon me. What I have stayed consistent about is… this form of government is the best around… not necessarily the holders of the constitutional offices. If there is to be change, the changes must come through the process identified in the constitution and/or by law. And… in order to make changes, we (citizens of the USA) must participate in the process, if we choose not to participate we are collectively passively endorsing the choices made by others. So, here is another helping of DVD’s opinions from way back when…

DVD Burner Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:08 pm wrote:
juanicoheal wrote:DVD - with the conspiracy theories zooming in and out of that post - one would think that you're a "Coast to Coast" listener....
no conspiracy theories here. it's just as well as Powell in Pakistan helping Musharraf make Pakistan a non-NATO ally so that Pakistan can buy more weapons from the U.S. This is the way the world works.

geroge sr. needs to get rid of all that extra gear that he owns.
george w. needs to help decrease the value of the american dollar so that the euro can continue to become stable at it's higher value.

that is the way it is. Globalization rules along with the monarchy and the bush dynasty.
The thing is, what is or can anyone really do about it?
Can anything be done about the new world order?

Onward to more bile…

DVD Burner Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 5:30 am wrote:Cut and paste! Cut and paste! Cut and paste!..........

Hey,

I dont know about you but I have a bunch of Repubicans and Democrats that are really great friends of mine, and we love a great debate.
joel and force seem to be repubicans, (they know I really get a kick out of them) though I'm not democrat, republican or independant, I like them.....love them very much. but I do not see any independant views on how the world really is. or at least what any republican view points are.
all I see is a lot of cut and paste issues.
so what of it.

are we gonna see any real opinions about what anyone's opinions are about what the world is really all about?
really.......what's up wit that?
yes I'm startin some shit.
what of it.
(no comments huh?......I figure)

Now, dear reader, these selections are just from page 1 and 2 of this thread, but it doesn’t get any better from there on… according to DVD, whoever the sock is… it is all a conspiracy, it has always been a Skull & Bones conspiracy and if you don’t agree with him… then that too is a conspiracy.

I, on the other hand, am guilty of re-posting opinions from some of the top political writers from reputable sources… the New York Times, U.S News and World Report, Reuters and Associated Press… sprinkling my opinion when required. And what I have said is that I support the present form of government… not exactly endorsing the Bush Administration, however, my opinions do lean right of center on international matters.

What has inflamed me most often regarding DVD, the sock, is his claim that Anarchy is a better form of government than the current one…

DVD Burner Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 7:22 pm wrote:
robbidobbs wrote:This is a public service announcement from the Apathy Police...
It is not enough to vote.
It is not enough to spew forth your political opinions.

Volunteer.

If this election is important (and it is), then find out where your local campaign headqarters is at, and sign up for some shifts.
Thank you for supporting the democratic process.
This reminds me, for those that belive in the American political process.....this election is gonna be worse than last. cant wait to watch it happen.

so from there, it digressed into name-calling on my part… and I am okay with myself… because the nouns and adjectives fit… IMHO.

I do believe professing anarchy, despite First Amendment rights, is an act of treason.

-I consider DVD/LRB, whoever, to be and ill-informed and ill-educated... his/its opinions, grandiose scenarios of worldwide conspiracies wear on me...

with the exception of professing anarchy to be better government, DVD/LRB, whoeever hasn't actually contributed anything worthy to the discourse found herein.

anyone want a few strokes of the flogger on this dead horse?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:05 am

Aaah ha ha ha ha ha,

You just made several HUGE mistakes in your last posts my friend.

Don’t ever confuse me and LRB ever again. He's a lot smarter than I.

You still haven’t posted cites to prove anything I've posted in the above not to be true.

I also have not insulted (intentionally) any eplayan. Just Bush & Co.

Try a little bit harder......if you can......I doubt it.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:07 am

BTW thanks for pointing out the specifics. Better than Badger could ever have done.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:09 am

what a "useless oxygen robber" you are.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:54 am

yep I didn’t think you could keep up with the facts.

could you at least dispute the facts of mine you posted above? all you did is disagree with them but you didn’t cite/site anything to prove them not to be true.

seems you are sucking ....and not just oxygen.

I'll admit you do better than most.

keep trying.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:16 am

Canadian Charges Halliburton Affiliates with Fraud
Fri Oct 22, 2004 06:30 PM ET

SANTA FE, N.M. (Reuters) - A Canadian counterterrorism expert who was acquitted of stockpiling armor-piercing missiles has sued companies affiliated with Halliburton, saying their fraud led to his imprisonment, according to court papers obtained on Friday.
David Hudak, who spent 17 months in prison before being acquitted last November on a variety of federal weapons charges, filed suit in federal court in New Mexico on Oct. 12. He is seeking damages from the companies for deceiving him into thinking he was buying munitions legally.

"U.S. military warheads and U.S. military hardware are supposed to stay with the U.S. military," said Robert Gorence, a lawyer for Hudak.

The lawsuit contends that Jet Research Center, a division of Halliburton Energy Services and others conspired to sell thousands of U.S. military warheads to Hudak and others. The suit contends the sales to the private sector were not permissible under the rules by which the companies acquired the munitions.

The lawsuit contends the companies were obligated to destroy the munitions but found it more profitable to sell them instead.

"Much of what is alleged in the complaint is news to us and we have initiated an investigation to look in to the specific allegations," Wendy Hall, a spokeswoman for Houston-based Halliburton Co., wrote in an email in response to a request for comment.

"At least until our own investigation is substantially advanced, it would be inappropriate to comment in detail. Our total focus is to conduct an in-depth self-examination, because no scrutiny of our operations is more intense than our own," she said.

Gorence would not specify how much he is seeking in damages, but he said Hudak had his life and a multimillion dollar business ruined by the arrest.

"The damages that we will be asking are substantial," Gorence said.

Gorence has said the charges against his client were driven by post-Sept. 11 paranoia and that Hudak had all the appropriate paperwork and licenses for the weapons and explosives he had at his counterterrorism school in the New Mexico desert near Roswell.

Hudak, president of High Energy Access Tools Corp., faced up to 30 years in jail on the federal weapons charges. Hudak has returned to Canada and was recently refused entry into the United States, Gorence said.

© Reuters 2004. All Rights Reserved.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:19 am

Beyond the Call of Duty

A whistle-blower objected to the government's Halliburton deals—and says now she's paying for it
By ADAM ZAGORIN & TIMOTHY J. BURGER

Sunday, Oct. 24, 2004
In February 2003, less than a month before the U.S. invaded Iraq, Bunnatine (Bunny) Greenhouse walked into a Pentagon meeting and with a quiet comment started what could be the end of her career. On the agenda was the awarding of an up to $7 billion deal to a subsidiary of Houston-based conglomerate Halliburton to restore Iraq's oil facilities. On hand were senior officials from the office of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and aides to retired Lieut. General Jay Garner, who would soon become the first U.S. administrator in Iraq.

Then several representatives from Halliburton entered. Greenhouse, a top contracting specialist for the Army Corps of Engineers, grew increasingly concerned that they were privy to internal discussions of the contract's terms, so she whispered to the presiding general, insisting that he ask the Halliburton employees to leave the room.

Once they had gone, Greenhouse raised other concerns. She argued that the five-year term for the contract, which had not been put out for competitive bid, was not justified, that it should be for one year only and then be opened to competition. But when the contract-approval document arrived the next day for Greenhouse's signature, the term was five years. With war imminent, she had little choice but to sign. But she added a handwritten reservation that extending a no-bid contract beyond one year could send a message that "there is not strong intent for a limited competition."

Greenhouse's objections, which had not been made public until now, will probably fuel criticism of the government's allegedly cozy relationship with Halliburton and could be greeted with calls for further investigation. Halliburton's Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) subsidiary has been mired in allegations of overcharging and mismanagement in Iraq, and the government in January replaced the noncompetitive oil-field contract that Greenhouse had objected to and made two competitively bid awards instead. (Halliburton won the larger contract, worth up to $1.2 billion, for repairing oil installations in southern Iraq, while Parsons Corp. got one for the north, worth up to $800 million.) Halliburton's Iraq business, which includes another government contract as well, has been under particular scrutiny because Vice President Dick Cheney was once its CEO. The Pentagon, concerned about potential controversy when it signed the original oil-work contract, gave Cheney's staff a heads-up beforehand. (TIME disclosed that alert in June.)

Greenhouse seems to have got nothing but trouble for questioning the deal. Warned to stop interfering and threatened with a demotion, the career Corps employee decided to act on her conscience, according to her lawyer, Michael Kohn. Kohn, who has represented other federal whistle-blowers, last week sent a letter—obtained by TIME from congressional sources—on her behalf to the acting Secretary of the Army. In it Kohn recounts Greenhouse's Pentagon meeting and demands an investigation of alleged violations of Army regulations in the contract's awarding. (The Pentagon justified the contract procedures as necessary in a time of war, saying KBR was the only choice because of security clearances that it had received earlier.) Kohn charges that Greenhouse's superiors have tried to silence her; he says she has agreed to be interviewed, pending approval from her employer, but the Army failed to make her available despite repeated requests from TIME.

"These charges undercut months of assertions by Administration officials that the Halliburton contract was on the level," says Democratic Representative Henry Waxman. As the Corps's top contract specialist, the letter says, Greenhouse had noted reservations on dozens of procurement documents over seven years. But it was only after she took exception to the Halliburton deal that she was warned not to do so anymore. The letter states that the major general who admonished her, Robert Griffin, later admitted in a sworn statement that her comments on contracts had "caused trouble" for the Army and that, given the controversy surrounding the contract, it was "intolerable" and "had to stop." The letter says he threatened to downgrade her. (As with Greenhouse, the Army did not make Griffin available.) When the Pentagon's auditors accused KBR of overcharging the government $61 million for fuel, the letter says, the Army bypassed Greenhouse. Her deputy waived a requirement that KBR provide pricing data—a move that looked "politically motivated," the letter says.

The Pentagon maintains that it awarded Halliburton's Iraq contracts appropriately, as does a Halliburton spokeswoman. A senior military official says the Army "has referred the matter to the inspector general of the Department of Defense." As for Halliburton, it has faced alleged cost overruns, lost profits and seen at least 54 company contractors killed in Iraq. Greenhouse, meanwhile, has requested protection from retaliation. But her career—and reputation—are on the line.

From the Nov. 01, 2004 issue of TIME magazine

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:00 am

Simply Joel wrote:Please note dear readers, this rant has been repeated time and time again by whoever DVD/LRb is… all the way through 93 pages of this thread… so at least they are consistent… yet, anyone can be consistently incorrect when they don’t have an open mind. And as sure as I type those words, I know that those words will be turned upon me. What I have stayed consistent about is… this form of government is the best around… not necessarily the holders of the constitutional offices. If there is to be change, the changes must come through the process identified in the constitution and/or by law. And… in order to make changes, we (citizens of the USA) must participate in the process, if we choose not to participate we are collectively passively endorsing the choices made by others. So, here is another helping of DVD’s opinions from way back when…

Joel also said:

Simply Joel wrote: Now, dear reader, these selections are just from page 1 and 2 of this thread, but it doesn’t get any better from there on… according to DVD, whoever the sock is… it is all a conspiracy, it has always been a Skull & Bones conspiracy and if you don’t agree with him… then that too is a conspiracy.

I, on the other hand, am guilty of re-posting opinions from some of the top political writers from reputable sources… the New York Times, U.S News and World Report, Reuters and Associated Press… sprinkling my opinion when required. And what I have said is that I support the present form of government… not exactly endorsing the Bush Administration, however, my opinions do lean right of center on international matters.

What has inflamed me most often regarding DVD, the sock, is his claim that Anarchy is a better form of government than the current one…

anyone want a few strokes of the flogger on this dead horse?

Joel it seems that you are getting kinda lazy. At least Geekster went and found a little flaw in the Bush I.Q. post. I know I go and try to find proof when someone puts up a bad post........what is your excuse.

You sound like some whiners that are on this board (Badger) and some that are not on this board anymore (Precipitate).

Where is the challenge in what you are doing. I at least am trying to promote a better way of thinking. You my friend are ( as I have been consistently been pointing out as you have dually noted.) not owning up to any challenges. Just whining. If you want to whine go to that other board where the whiners belong. This board is for those that can hang.

Only the strong survive here.

Besides I like Bush & Co. where else am I gonna get all the good material from all the stupid shit they and their followers do.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:11 am

And I forgot to put in that post the original reason for posting it in the first place:

You really ought to forget about THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN, William F Buckley Jr and Saffire as too many people on this board already have several times cut them to shit.

I really dont think you can use them as "reputable" sources.......

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:29 am

DVD Burner wrote:yep I didn’t think you could keep up with the facts.

could you at least dispute the facts of mine you posted above? all you did is disagree with them but you didn’t cite/site anything to prove them not to be true.

if i thought you were using facts, i would dispute you.

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