Is there a Burning Man in Heaven?

sonic · Post by **sonic** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 2:39 pm

According to your beliefs, faith, feelings, knowledge, heart, spirituality, etc.....
What happens to us when we die?

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 2:56 pm

Humanity continues on albeit on a SLIGHTLY different course due to your influence (i.e. participation).

As kindof a parallel question ... if you believe in the soul living after the body dies ... what happens to all those souls when the sun fries the earth to a crisp and humanity is gone? Like our physical bodies ... the earth and the sun will die. What happens then? That is the line of thought that led me to the conclusion back in 1974 or so that when you die, you are dead

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Badger · Post by **Badger** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:42 pm

Is there a Burning Man in Heaven?

I guess that's a question that might be asked on the FAQ board for God.

Have a look.

http://www.400monkeys.com/God/

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:50 pm

sonic wrote:According to your beliefs, faith, feelings, knowledge, heart, spirituality, etc.....
What happens to us when we die?

In an apparent attempt to answer this question, I rode the CHAIRWAY TO HEAVEN (do a seach in the images section). Unfortunately, it worked perfectly.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:04 pm

someone once told me that :"you're as dead now as you'll ever be"

what happens at sleep and just how present are you? Isn't it nice during sleep to really just forget everything? And what is time? What would you do with your current identity for an.......eternity? I believe that there is something that always is, that never changes, it looks so much like everything and nothing at the same time. If you truly are everything, then you very much are nothing too.....think about it. And these things are something other than thought, the body or the mind. and they are also us in some way.......because everything means everything

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:08 pm

sonic wrote:What happens to us when we die?

if you die first, we spilt up your stuff....

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:09 pm

Simply Joel wrote:
sonic wrote:What happens to us when we die?
if you die first, we spilt up your stuff....

ya and that too...unless you're a Piute...then they burn everything you own! HA!

sonic · Post by **sonic** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:22 pm

geekster wrote:Humanity continues on albeit on a SLIGHTLY different course due to your influence (i.e. participation).

As kindof a parallel question ... if you believe in the soul living after the body dies ... what happens to all those souls when the sun fries the earth to a crisp and humanity is gone? Like our physical bodies ... the earth and the sun will die. What happens then? That is the line of thought that led me to the conclusion back in 1974 or so that when you die, you are dead :arrow: .

I like that... I like that alot... thanks for sharing. It makes such simple yet complete sense.

sonic · Post by **sonic** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:26 pm

cowboyangel wrote:someone once told me that :"you're as dead now as you'll ever be"

what happens at sleep and just how present are you? Isn't it nice during sleep to really just forget everything? And what is time? What would you do with your current identity for an.......eternity? I believe that there is something that always is, that never changes, it looks so much like everything and nothing at the same time. If you truly are everything, then you very much are nothing too.....think about it. And these things are something other than thought, the body or the mind. and they are also us in some way.......because everything means everything

You are everything and so you are also nothing.... everything includes nothing. So nothing changes because everything already is?

sonic · Post by **sonic** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:27 pm

cowboyangel wrote:
Simply Joel wrote:
sonic wrote:What happens to us when we die?
if you die first, we spilt up your stuff....
ya and that too...unless you're a Piute...then they burn everything you own! HA!

Please don't burn my cat.....

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:28 pm

Yeah, that makes sense. Your soul needs a planet to sit on... So when the planet goes BOOM your soul would fry 'cause it's real flammable. Therefore...

Honestly, people...

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:31 pm

I'll tell you what freakin' happens when you die...

Your soul goes directly to the share thread. No, really. For eternity, even.

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:06 pm

Well, DUH! I finally put 2 and 2 together...

Geekster, I want my hookah back. Seriously. I know I left it in the bar the other night. Gimme.

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:06 pm

Sensei wrote:Yeah, that makes sense. Your soul needs a planet to sit on... So when the planet goes BOOM your soul would fry 'cause it's real flammable. Therefore...

Honestly, people...

Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of Plato's thinking that the soul is recycled to another physical body. His thinking was something along the lines of one state can not exist without the other. Just as sleeping is followed by wakening, the state of awake is followed again by sleeping. One can say that sleep gives birth to consiousness and consiousness gives birth to sleep, he thought the same was true with the soul. One could not be born without having died and can not die without having been born. Sort of like the whole yin-yang thing only from a Greek perspective.

Other religions are all into the reincarnation stuff too. Ya gotta have a planet with things being born to reincarnate, unless you believe in extraterrestrial reincarnation. That is more where I was going. The problem with souls and humanity and heaven and the Abrahamic religions (my own term used to describe Judaism, Islam and their offshoots) and stuff is that I suppose once earth is no longer in existance then there will only exist two states ... heaven and hell ... and the rest of eternity will be spent with people exchanging places between the two?

I would rather y'all just split up what's left of my stuff after my kids get first dibs. And don't burn the dog, that isn't nice.

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:08 pm

Ok, that's a little more like it. But I still want the hookah back.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:14 pm

Sensei wrote:Ok, that's a little more like it. But I still want the hookah back.

pass the hookeh this way... i have been pissed all day.

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:58 pm

Well, I would, but according to so-and-so, you "don't get it". Heh.

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:00 pm

Damn ... okay ... here's your hookah. It's full ... Humboldt's finest.

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:08 pm

* Passes it towards Joel, pulls it back, moves it towards Joel again, pulls it back again, finally passes it to Joel *

I guess you've earned it, today.

buckethead alien · Post by **buckethead alien** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:20 pm

Ahem.

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:34 pm

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:56 pm

sonic wrote:
cowboyangel wrote:someone once told me that :"you're as dead now as you'll ever be"

what happens at sleep and just how present are you? Isn't it nice during sleep to really just forget everything? And what is time? What would you do with your current identity for an.......eternity? I believe that there is something that always is, that never changes, it looks so much like everything and nothing at the same time. If you truly are everything, then you very much are nothing too.....think about it. And these things are something other than thought, the body or the mind. and they are also us in some way.......because everything means everything
You are everything and so you are also nothing.... everything includes nothing. So nothing changes because everything already is?

very good!

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:42 pm

You are everything and so you are also nothing.... everything includes nothing. So nothing changes because everything already is

Cites?

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:50 pm

Badger wrote:
You are everything and so you are also nothing.... everything includes nothing. So nothing changes because everything already is
Cites?

ha ha ha ha ha...you've been sniffing around Joel I can see my dear Badger...and how's that strumpet Iso doing?

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:05 pm

Joel and I are kindred spirits.

That's all that needs to be said.

Except, he and I need to have a beer together.

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:13 pm

sonic wrote:According to your beliefs, faith, feelings, knowledge, heart, spirituality, etc.....
What happens to us when we die?

Anybody can regurgitate what they have read and believed. Anybody can also regurgitate something that someone else taught them. What's really tough is sitting down and letting all the bullshit really honestly drift away, and then finding out what's left. Whatever is left is probably what you're looking for.
Fuck beliefs, faith, feelings, knowledge, heart, and spirituality. Not because they are incorrect, but because we have allowed symbolic representations (words) of actual experiences define the experience. The experience is the experience... be very careful with the rest, it's also just a regurgitation.

So... what happens to us when we die? Well, at that point it's Happy Hour and we all get to go to the bar... what did you think?

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 4:11 pm

samtzu wrote:
sonic wrote:According to your beliefs, faith, feelings, knowledge, heart, spirituality, etc.....
What happens to us when we die?
Anybody can regurgitate what they have read and believed. Anybody can also regurgitate something that someone else taught them. What's really tough is sitting down and letting all the bullshit really honestly drift away, and then finding out what's left. Whatever is left is probably what you're looking for.
Fuck beliefs, faith, feelings, knowledge, heart, and spirituality. Not because they are incorrect, but because we have allowed symbolic representations (words) of actual experiences define the experience. The experience is the experience... be very careful with the rest, it's also just a regurgitation.

So... what happens to us when we die? Well, at that point it's Happy Hour and we all get to go to the bar... what did you think?

or how about "neti, neti?" not this, not this ?

sonic · Post by **sonic** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 11:00 pm

samtzu wrote:
sonic wrote:According to your beliefs, faith, feelings, knowledge, heart, spirituality, etc.....
What happens to us when we die?
Anybody can regurgitate what they have read and believed. Anybody can also regurgitate something that someone else taught them. What's really tough is sitting down and letting all the bullshit really honestly drift away, and then finding out what's left. Whatever is left is probably what you're looking for.
Fuck beliefs, faith, feelings, knowledge, heart, and spirituality. Not because they are incorrect, but because we have allowed symbolic representations (words) of actual experiences define the experience. The experience is the experience... be very careful with the rest, it's also just a regurgitation.

So... what happens to us when we die? Well, at that point it's Happy Hour and we all get to go to the bar... what did you think?

I do agree that words are limiting. For instance, when I tell a story of something I did, the more I tell it, the more removed the feelings become and the less "real" the experience seems.

When they relate to beliefs, they can limit you from experiencing what truly is. Something like that?

And ending with Happy Hour sounds good to me.

tisha2 · Post by **tisha2** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:05 pm

I *adore* this thread...

have been a few deaths 'round here lately that have us all thinking about life. wondering about the point (be good/have fun/be selfish/be giving/etc.) and also the crazy time thing... I was talking to my oldest about something that happened in my life a while back and she said, "Was I even alive then?" reminded me that all *this* is and was and will be, and I just get this little tiny window of experience in it...and in the long run, my existence won't really matter two shits to the big picture, and now doesn't that just ease up the pressure??
i also really like Cowboy's realization that the univers is in your head. I've allowed my head to snap 'round that one few times since reading it and DAMN! that's fun!! Similar to deciding that right now...: You're actually dreaming...

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:29 pm

You picked the blue pill, didn't you?

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