Are plug and plays brainwashing the new burners?

[Elderberry]

I wouldn't include the BMORG. They don't apply for placement anyway.

Yet they get the best placement and have all the amenities of the plug n pay/play camps.

[ygmir]

there was a thread here once, that counted all things that could be paid for in BRC.......seems it was like 11 or so?

[theCryptofishist]

Yeah, that's what I remembered from it. Google "eplaya locksmith"?

[Simon of the Playa]

I'd say one simple line in the sand not to cross would be giving placement to camps that use paid employees to work in the camps at the BM festival while the festival is going on to take care of basic camping needs for able bodied attendees.

WHO THE FUCK DIED AND MADE YOU Larry?


jesus christ, the ultimate you're doing it wrong.


worry about your own shit, please.....what about someone who needs an assistant in order to move around, clean themselves or provide meals for?


what? Disabled Persons are not allowed Now because YOU dont think they are radically self reliant? go fuck yourself.

[Roberto Dobbisano]

he did say "disabled" kimosabe.

[Simon of the Playa]

i dont give a rats ass how he "classified" his exception to HIS rule....

last time i checked this was america.


fuck his "Line" in the sand....

[H.G.Crosby]

i say we just dont let people from sacramento in to the burn, just because, you know, they are from Sac...

and that place is a bigger shithole than Utica, NY...


sounds perfectly logical to me.

[Simon of the Playa]

and if i want to hire hookers so i can snort blow off of their ass while they blow me thats MY FUCKING BUSINESS..


they are paid employees, servicing the able-bodied "members" of my camp, so suck it, corn-hole.

[Roberto Dobbisano]

i knew you would break out the hookers and blow and some point...

[GreyCoyote]

Radical self-reliance: the ability to keep ones nose unbent, horizontal and firmly inside your own camp if you dont like your PNP neighbors. Alternatively, moving your camp if your neighbors desire for extreme comfort is harshing your burn. Or putting your tickets into STEP if the "new" Burning Man offends your "old school" sensibilities. Or making your own event, elsewhere, cheaper, better, Burnier, etc. ("That Thing In The Corn Field"???)

Inclusion: "hey, cool butler! You guys are both invited over for drinks at sunset. Ever hear of The Howl? No? We will show you!"

There will ALWAYS be PNPs on the playa. The best way to minimize their impact is to include them, get them dusty, and show them how you burn.

Be a leader. Lead by example.

[lemur]

I'd say one simple line in the sand not to cross would be giving placement to camps that use paid employees to work in the camps at the BM festival while the festival is going on to take care of basic camping needs for able bodied attendees.

whyfor ? seems like an arbitrary and silly limit.

TONS of people are making a profit off of us during the burn!! why draw the line at 'staff people inside of the camp!!' at this point.. ?


$973,142 <-- rental fees in 2012
$851,449 <-- toilet fees in 2012
$462,938 <-- dust abatement in 2012
$403,058 <-- ticket vendor costs in 2012
$405,976 <-- medical contracting costs in 2012
$176,254 <-- fire safety costs in 2012


i cant see how quietly providing services in camp really is a huge impact on someone else...

does burning man look like this?








oh.. no?...

well then get over it!

at least what vendor BS they do allow is mostly under the radar and not a bunch of in your face silliness.

[Simon of the Playa]

Radical self-reliance: the ability to keep ones nose unbent, horizontal and firmly inside your own camp if you dont like your PNP neighbors. Alternatively, moving your camp if your neighbors desire for extreme comfort is harshing your burn. Or putting your tickets into STEP if the "new" Burning Man offends your "old school" sensibilities. Or making your own event, elsewhere, cheaper, better, Burnier, etc. ("That Thing In The Corn Field"???)

Inclusion: "hey, cool butler! You guys are both invited over for drinks at sunset. Ever hear of The Howl? No? We will show you!"

There will ALWAYS be PNPs on the playa. The best way to minimize their impact is to include them, get them dusty, and show them how you burn.

Be a leader. Lead by example.

+100


thats what i was going to say until i had a angry shit fit and ranted all over the place....

[Sic Pup]

Radical self-reliance: the ability to keep ones nose unbent, horizontal and firmly inside your own camp if you dont like your PNP neighbors. Alternatively, moving your camp if your neighbors desire for extreme comfort is harshing your burn. Or putting your tickets into STEP if the "new" Burning Man offends your "old school" sensibilities. Or making your own event, elsewhere, cheaper, better, Burnier, etc. ("That Thing In The Corn Field"???)

Inclusion: "hey, cool butler! You guys are both invited over for drinks at sunset. Ever hear of The Howl? No? We will show you!"

There will ALWAYS be PNPs on the playa. The best way to minimize their impact is to include them, get them dusty, and show them how you burn.

Be a leader. Lead by example.

+1

[Elderberry]

Simon, et.al.
GreyCoyote
Lemur

+1
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[CornMan]

You guys won this debate. I will never mention plug and play on this chat site again or visit such threads, and I will not discourage plug and plays as an option to people I meet at regional events who are curious about Burning Man. Plug and plays: in. Costumes: out. Feathers: in. What's next?

[mgb327]

.

[FIGJAM]

Sig Line: "Should have stayed at center camp!"

And I seem to remember a photo of a couple taken with The Hat.

Did'nt see any sign of berating or flipping off The Hat for his camp and amenities, or staying away from that camp in protest!

[lucky420]

Yeah but center camp looks like a ghetto

[CornMan]

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Yep, that's me.

[Elderberry]

You guys won this debate. I will never mention plug and play on this chat site again or visit such threads, and I will not discourage plug and plays as an option to people I meet at regional events who are curious about Burning Man. Plug and plays: in. Costumes: out. Feathers: in. What's next?

Wait, what?! Costumes are out? Since when?

[lemur]

since always.

[TomServo]

Sig Line: "Should have stayed at center camp!"

And I seem to remember a photo of a couple taken with The Hat.

Did'nt see any sign of berating or flipping off The Hat for his camp and amenities, or staying away from that camp in protest!

I'll bet you a MILLION dollars, that you do NOT know the back story to that Sig Line! As far as the HAT goes, The Hat can do whatever he fucking wants, IMHO. It's his baby.

[TomServo]

The Hats "HAT" was apparently absent, that night...btw

[FIGJAM]

As far as the HAT goes, The Hat can do whatever he fucking wants, IMHO. It's his baby.

That's the whole point.

So can everyone else.

[lemur]

as a wise man once said:

"WHAT WOULD YOUR HAPPINESS BE IF YOU DID NOT HAVE US TO SHINE FOR?"

[CornMan]

I have changed my position to being pro-plug and play and now embrace the idea that paying money for accommodations can supercede radical self-reliance. I am also now considering taking a pro-MOOP stance, and I suspect that many here will join together in popular opposing opinion in favor that BM remains a LNT event.

[lemur]

how about an 'ambivalent on moop' position?

[TomServo]

I will always regard Plug & Play as promoters of laziness and very UN-D.I.Y! So there we have it! Fuck em!

[lemur]

never accepting new information or perspectives that might change your opinion is lazy.

[Elderberry]

never accepting new information or perspectives that might change your opinion is lazy.

LOL

And how "lazy" can they be if they worked hard enough to afford a "five star" Burning Man experience?