Are plug and plays brainwashing the new burners?

[graidawg]

yes. if you want to risk being pooped on

[AntiM]

What is our spay and neuter policy?

[TomServo]

What is our spay and neuter policy?

Stop by BloodBath&Beyond! We will have demonstrations.

[AntiM]

Lip firmly zipped. I'm already neutered.

Can we call this fucking thing done now?

[Elderberry]

Lip firmly zipped. I'm already neutered.

Can we call this fucking thing done now?

I thought it was done when Lemur gave it his APPROVED stamp.

[CornMan]

A thread is only not done when you click to look at the latest response.

[mdmf007]

I can assure you - there is more than one billionaire enjoying the playa in their plug and play camp and has been for a decade now. I never saw an issue with this sort of camp, but totally see your point. This is year 13 for me, and I have definitely seen a shift in the aura / beat / feel the last three years. Is it the new blood? or just the way things shift and evolve? there still is that group of people that come every year and set tones in their camp, after all how many virgins come cold to BM? most come with someone who has been and learn about it through them.

[Simon of the Playa]

What is our spay and neuter policy?

FINALLY!!!


a perfect Justification for a Eugenics Policy, a Poster Child, so to speak.

[H.G.Crosby]

What is our spay and neuter policy?

FINALLY!!!


a perfect Justification for a Eugenics Policy, a Poster Child, so to speak.

how delightfully snide and elitist....


LOVE IT!

[tamarakay]

Why?

Does that get you a prize or something?


Any fucking direction. Two steps.

This should be a t-shirt. Or maybe fox can make a stencil

[cyberwicklow]

I've been trying to make it over (from Ireland) since 2008/2009 without any luck, we failed to get tickets in the individual sales this year but still plan on heading over, hopefully the STEP programme/OMG sale can sort us out, this said I should hope that not all first timers are failing to prepare, and also that first timers are not assumed to be unprepared. While reading through the MOUNTAINS of useful info on here I saw that burners who turn up without basic survival supplies to last the week may be turned away at the gate, would you expect to see a substantial number of burners at the gate attempting to barter for resources or has it been the case that these 'plug and play' burners are the ones who tend to realise the effort and preparation involved and put their tickets back into the step programme before hand?
Cheers

[BBadger]

I've been trying to make it over (from Ireland) since 2008/2009 without any luck, we failed to get tickets in the individual sales this year but still plan on heading over, hopefully the STEP programme/OMG sale can sort us out, this said I should hope that not all first timers are failing to prepare, and also that first timers are not assumed to be unprepared. While reading through the MOUNTAINS of useful info on here I saw that burners who turn up without basic survival supplies to last the week may be turned away at the gate, would you expect to see a substantial number of burners at the gate attempting to barter for resources or has it been the case that these 'plug and play' burners are the ones who tend to realise the effort and preparation involved and put their tickets back into the step programme before hand?
Cheers

I would expect Plug and Play burners to be among those who are most prepared because they paid for that privilege and have more experienced people managing the camps. Plus those camp operators don't want to create a bad reputation, so they generally do a good job of MOOPing and other camp stuff with concrete metrics. What people don't get is that Plug and Play burners are often model citizens of BRC. As they've paid for their camp amenities and have "people" to manage all the camp duties they often have a low MOOP factor; they aren't parasites who mooch off other camps (ironically like the hippies people tend to associate Burning Man with); they even reduce infrastructure load as many PnP camps have their own toilets. The best part is that the price to Plug-and-Play is so high that you will rarely see repeat customers.

Maybe you're thinking of Sparkleponies? I know you're not thinking of dirty hippies: those malignancies expect to be able to mooch stuff and don't even bother to prepare even if they are aware.

[trilobyte]

I think most first-timers do a pretty admirable job of preparing. This discussion was beaten to death when this was an active thread last year, feel free to read the replies to get peoples' takes on it.

Plug and play (aka turnkey) camps have proven themselves to be a much smaller problem than a lot of people made them out to be. I think that was mostly borne out of scarcity and ignorance. When things really blew up in 2012, it was during a window of time when demand was crazy, and tickets were extremely scarce. In that environment, fingers were pointed and people lashed out at groups in hopes of finding someone to blame. There were some passionate debates, and it became pretty evident that people had a lot of misconceptions about what some of these camps were doing. I don't have the time or energy to write an exhaustive summary - if you really want to know, it'll cost you your own time and energy to do some searching and, rather than replying to long-dormant threads, just read them. There are a few - this one's only ten pages, there's at least one other that's more than 20 pages. If you can't be bothered, the short answer is no they are not brainwashing anyone. And no, there aren't substantial numbers of people at the gate attempting to barter for resources (there are none).

[dragonpilot]

Along the lines of brainwashing...Larry said in his interview with Charlie Rose, when asked if Burning Man was a cult, Larry replied, "Yes...a self-service cult...you have to wash your own brain."

BTW...I intend to use this phrase whenever I get the chance. You may see it in other threads.