BRC police scanner live feed needs AM or FM transmitter

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Re: BRC police scanner live feed needs AM or FM transmitter

Post by tattoogoddess » Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:39 pm

illy dilly wrote:
Elliot wrote:Doc, there is of course an exemption for you. You may do anything you want with impunity. :wink:
Well, at least in the back of your RV.

I don't know about Nevada, but the reason you get tickets for police scanners in CO is that the state claims that listening to police transmissions is an invasion of suspect and/or victim privacy.
"Its for your own good"

Sure about that? There is a police scanner app and. It has every station under the sun. He'll I can even listen to Paris France's police.... No idea what they are say but yeah.
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Re: BRC police scanner live feed needs AM or FM transmitter

Post by Sic Pup » Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:45 am

theCryptofishist wrote:I suppose this is not a good place to say that Citizen Random's avatar always makes me want to call the health department...
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Re: BRC police scanner live feed needs AM or FM transmitter

Post by Zhust » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:26 am

Considering all the legal hooey, one thing to do would be to record it all.

Perhaps the most valuable outcome to me would be to answer the question once-and-for-all: "how much crime is at Burning Man?" Quietly recording all the police interaction to dissect later could give insight into how valuable all these LEO's really are.

With the advent of voice transcription technology, it seems absolutely plausible to generate a marginally-useful (e.g. searchable) transcript of the whole event.
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Re: BRC police scanner live feed needs AM or FM transmitter

Post by Zhust » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:33 am

antechrist wrote:I have a police scanner and reciever antennas, but no transmitter.
But to answer your question:

Connect output of this:
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to this:
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Re: BRC police scanner live feed needs AM or FM transmitter

Post by antechrist » Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:12 am

@Zhust - Thanks for the only helpful post on this thread!

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Post by theCryptofishist » Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:14 am

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Re: BRC police scanner live feed needs AM or FM transmitter

Post by tatonka » Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:25 am

why would I care what the police are doing?
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Re: BRC police scanner live feed needs AM or FM transmitter

Post by Captain Goddammit » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:57 am

antechrist wrote:@Zhust - Thanks for the only helpful post on this thread!

Lol... that was sarcasm, not "help".
That amplifier won't work to broadcast a signal powerful enough for anyone to hear and that TV receiving antenna, that you'd probably never tune properly to transmit with, is highly directional. That was humor - quite funny I though - but it's a hell of a LOT funnier that you think it's real technical advice!
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Re: BRC police scanner live feed needs AM or FM transmitter

Post by GreyCoyote » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:40 pm

One Part 14 Subpart J wireless transmitter. $15
One 10 db feedline amp: $22
One 300 ohm log-periodic yagi: $50
Belief it could actually work: priceless.

On a serious note, if you want something cheap that will cover all of BRC with a useable and pro-sounding stereo signal, get a second-hand Ramsey FM25b transmitter pre-assembled, and a new TM-100 antenna. With the feedline, the whole thing is less than $300. All you need to add is a 12v deep cycle battery and a mixer. Stick this up 40 feet in the air and you will plaster all of BRC with just 1 watt ERP. You should get 24 hours easy on the battery before recharging it.

Years ago we used exactly this setup at a regional burn and had exemplary results. People couldnt believe the airchain we were using could sound so good.

You dont need big power to be heard. BRC is a relatively small and wonderfully flat area (as far as signal goes) There is little competition from nearby stations. So what you need is antenna height above ambient terrain, not brute power. Just 1 watt at 40 feet will be heard further than 20 watts at 10 feet, and it will give you a far more even contour overall with less dead spots.

Virtually all of the radiators on the playa are operating illegally. If the feds want to shut you down, they will do it based on your status as an illegal radiator and not as a rebroadcasting facility. It is a very clean "kill" for them to say you violated Subpart J. No case law whatsoever in your favor. So given this, and understanding how they like to measure ERP (20 meters away from the antenna and 3 meters high), having a nice LOW POWER signal could help with your defense. In contrast slamming 50 watts out of a low antenna just means you are the typical dumb pirate who wants to play "Pump Up The Volume" on federal land.
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Re: BRC police scanner live feed needs AM or FM transmitter

Post by Elderberry » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:26 pm

ygmir wrote:
CitizenRandom wrote:BRC police calls would be interesting and hilarious but it is spectating and the more reasonable conclusion is why sit around obsessing over the police calls and who is what where and why.when .you paid a shit ton of money to go to BURNINGMAN to explore the extreme elements of a diverce and emerging culture the world is all buzzing about.and participate in cutting loose and making shit and HAVING FUN ...you can listen to cops anytime..and at home.. I doubt the local agencys give a flying fuck at your rolling donut art car regarding the prospect of their radio chatter being monitored anyway dorks...Its not like there are swat teams the ready for a federal arms and drug smuggling human trafficking organization..their aint no Methlabs a brewing in our city.... You kids are silly dumb heads. doing crazy talks..
.turn of yer radios and go OUT IN THE SUNSHINE AND PLAY..
.Elliot what are you some kinda hickory smoked law expert?
If anybody wants to get Elliot to spout some shit round here just preface a question about crime or pertaining to his number one super hero...The under appreciated men and women of LAW ENFORCEMENT!! Elliot is there a secret police support squad over there at the 3 oclock plaza bike shop? ...what do you think? will it make the blotter? I know..Ill ask Dave at BLM..they are the federal agency and dominion over state and all regulatory departments at the event... Dave will like that ..he likes funny stuff...Hes an agent for the FERERAL GOVERNMENT ...can you say ooooooo boys and girls? ooooooooo. quit being dust tweekies and burn the MAN NERDS! :lol:

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screw you, and the horse you rode in on!!

Elliot is a grand person, helpful and always polite.
Yikes!! That coming from Ygmir would be like me saying "Fuck you you stupid bitch! Get back to me when you learn what a sentence and a paragraph are."
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Post by theCryptofishist » Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:25 pm

I'm not convinced Citizen Random is a woman...
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Re: BRC police scanner live feed needs AM or FM transmitter

Post by antechrist » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:01 pm

@GreyCoyote - Thanks for the helpful advice. I would be surprised if the FCC had a problem with a 1W transmitter considering I have seen handheld radios that are 3W (or more). I don't know how I would get the antenna mounted up at 40' though. That sounds pretty tricky for 1 guy.

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Post by GreyCoyote » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:15 pm

antechrist wrote:@GreyCoyote - Thanks for the helpful advice. I would be surprised if the FCC had a problem with a 1W transmitter considering I have seen handheld radios that are 3W (or more). I don't know how I would get the antenna mounted up at 40' though. That sounds pretty tricky for 1 guy.
I once saw a guy use 3 ea 10-foot sections of 4-inch PVC pipe as a mast. He put it through the top of his dome and had three guy ropes spaced at 120 degree intervals where the top section joined the middle section. The only mod he made was to put some small screws through the couplers and into the pipe. The feedline ran down the center. Running 1 watt we could hear him very nicely out to beyond the Man. The whole rig weighed maybe 40 lbs with the antenna.

Might be something to consider?
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Re: BRC police scanner live feed needs AM or FM transmitter

Post by Elliot » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:14 pm

ygmir wrote: ...

Citizenrandom:
screw you, and the horse you rode in on!!
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Re: BRC police scanner live feed needs AM or FM transmitter

Post by Andrei » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:39 pm

man, there is better staff to listen to on playa:)

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Post by antechrist » Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:34 pm

@GreyCoyote - I was mainly worried about how to actually hoist a heavy ass 40' pole but I guess PVC would make it light enough I could do it alone. Stabilizing it in the wind would still be a problem though. You are saying 3 guy wires should be enough? Assuming tied off to rebar pounded 12" in. I just don't have any experience with structures that large so I have no idea if that would be enough for the job. I could maybe look up specs on windmills. They get up that high, but I think the playa is a bit windier than the average backyard windmill sees.

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Post by SirSlackworthy » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:08 am

CitizenRandom wrote:BRC police calls would be interesting and hilarious but it is spectating and the more reasonable conclusion is why sit around obsessing over the police calls and who is what where and why.when .you paid a shit ton of money to go to BURNINGMAN to explore the extreme elements of a diverce and emerging culture the world is all buzzing about.and participate in cutting loose and making shit and HAVING FUN ...you can listen to cops anytime..and at home.. I doubt the local agencys give a flying fuck at your rolling donut art car regarding the prospect of their radio chatter being monitored anyway dorks...Its not like there are swat teams the ready for a federal arms and drug smuggling human trafficking organization..their aint no Methlabs a brewing in our city.... You kids are silly dumb heads. doing crazy talks..
.turn of yer radios and go OUT IN THE SUNSHINE AND PLAY..
.Elliot what are you some kinda hickory smoked law expert?
If anybody wants to get Elliot to spout some shit round here just preface a question about crime or pertaining to his number one super hero...The under appreciated men and women of LAW ENFORCEMENT!! Elliot is there a secret police support squad over there at the 3 oclock plaza bike shop? ...what do you think? will it make the blotter? I know..Ill ask Dave at BLM..they are the federal agency and dominion over state and all regulatory departments at the event... Dave will like that ..he likes funny stuff...Hes an agent for the FERERAL GOVERNMENT ...can you say ooooooo boys and girls? ooooooooo. quit being dust tweekies and burn the MAN NERDS! :lol:
Not only spectating but boring. Who would want to listen?

How about instead have multiple receivers scanning Washoe County, Nevada State, BLM, FRS, DPW, heck even Black Rock Rangers. Feed it all into a mixing board with digital delays, loops, sampling, drum machine, mash it up and THEN broadcast. That way you could piss EVERYONE off and have something worth listening to.

Install it on an MV with a 40-foot mast disguised as >something< and keep mobile with intermittent transmissions. Much harder to locate and shut down.

Just a thought...
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Re: BRC police scanner live feed needs AM or FM transmitter

Post by PlayaPatrol » Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:17 am

Elliot wrote:Just a hunch... that this would be illegal and would soon be shut down, possibly involving penalties. And pretty sure I read on this board that your scheme has already been tried -- complete with the subsequent forced shutdown.
Are you a lawyer or cop? Nothing illegal about listening to public radio transmissions. There are dozens of LEGAL websites and android/iphone apps that do exactly that-monitor police, airport and fire radio bands. Agencies that want their transmissions to be secret use secure encrypted radios.
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Post by Captain Goddammit » Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:30 am

The point you are missing has been stated several times. Listening to anything you can receive is legal. Rebroadcasting it is an entirely different matter. Internet "broadcasting" doesn't count, it isn't governed by the laws radio transmission is.

None of this matters. The person who wants to do this is just another "Hey wouldn't it be cool if" type who hasn't the knowledge or ability to really do it. I'm betting there will be no pirate scanner radio on the playa.
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Re: BRC police scanner live feed needs AM or FM transmitter

Post by TT120 » Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:33 am

It's not illegal to listen to public service transmissions (like cops) it is, however, illegal to re-broadcast said transmissions per the FCC regulations. Web sites get away with it because they are not broadcasting those transmissions over the airwaves. It's kind of a gray area for the FCC. The fact of the matter is that the FCC does not have unlimited resources and unless they get a bunch of complaints or you are otherwise jepordizing the safety of said public servants, they probably wont pay much attention to your little pirate radio station.
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Post by PlayaPatrol » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:23 am

How is it any of your business? Why are you a nosy busybody? Stop playing wanna be cop/prosecutor.
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Re: BRC police scanner live feed needs AM or FM transmitter

Post by forty_eight » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:42 pm

why do people jump to conclusions about the intent? or the motivation? or inclination?

talk about minding your own bsns, lol

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Post by mudpuppy000 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:00 pm

PlayaPatrol wrote:How is it any of your business? Why are you a nosy busybody? Stop playing wanna be cop/prosecutor.
OP is asking to borrow someone's transmitter to do something that could easily get it confiscated by the cops. Got it?

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Post by theCryptofishist » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:09 pm

That's alright. PlayaPatrol is going to pay a deposit on behalf of the borrower, so that, if it is confiscated there is replacement money.
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Post by DrewDubious » Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:52 pm

it's not illegal to listen in, but don't expect the cops to know or care.

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Post by Captain Goddammit » Sat Aug 03, 2013 4:09 pm

As stated repeatedly, is is illegal to rebroadcast it over the radio though.

But you're so right! Don't expect the cops or anyone to listen or care! This project - if you can call it that 'cuz it's nothing more than someone saying "hey it'd be cool if we did this, looking for someone else to make it happen for me" - and this whole thread is a waste of time.
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Post by theCryptofishist » Sat Aug 03, 2013 4:32 pm

Hey, at least it doesn't make me feel as stupid as cooling your tent.


Oh yeah, if a thread can't make me feel stupid, it is a waste of time...
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Post by antechrist » Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:52 pm

@everyone Thank you for making this an entertaining thread/flamewar. After reading all the responses I would love to do this if for no other reason than to piss off everyone who has been shitting all over the idea. However considering I got off to a late start, have a job and an active social life it seems unlikely to be ready for 2013. Anyone who wants to help for 2014 PM me. Fuck the haters!

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Post by GreyCoyote » Sat Aug 03, 2013 7:17 pm

I kinda like the idea. Sometimes pissing people off just for the sake of pissing can be its own reward.

You should be able to do this for under $400 if you get a good mad going. I will be listening for you on the playa!
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Re: BRC police scanner live feed needs AM or FM transmitter

Post by Captain Goddammit » Sat Aug 03, 2013 7:59 pm

antechrist wrote:@everyone Thank you for making this an entertaining thread/flamewar. After reading all the responses I would love to do this if for no other reason than to piss off everyone who has been shitting all over the idea. However considering I got off to a late start, have a job and an active social life it seems unlikely to be ready for 2013. Anyone who wants to help for 2014 PM me. Fuck the haters!
Excuses... I have a job and a life but I managed to get a mutant vehicle all set up. You didn't get this done because you don't know how!
Powering up a radio and pitching an antenna isn't any big deal, I say definitely do it too! It's not pissing anyone off, we're just tellin' ya' it's illegal and you might get in some hot water. But that's your problem.
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