What changes to Burning Man would you suggest to improve it?

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 12:56 pm

Here are just a few of mine:

1- No trailers!

2- No cafe at center camp!

3- No underage attendees below 21!

4- No art cars unless they can carry more then just the driver and a few friends- they would also have to reserve 50% of the space for people other then their camp!

5- No COPS, but that can't happen until we move to private land!

6- radio stations broadcasting from outside the playa- that's fucking lame!

That's just a start!

What's your suggestions?

A II Z

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 1:59 pm

Get rid of the rave camps.

No art cars capable of carrying more than 10 people.

MORE families with kids.

More big burning stuff.

More fire art in general.

Make it easy for true ART CARS to get out there that are not carrying passengers. If you want to see that huge fire breathing dragon, the DMV should have a difference set of guidelines for art cars than they do for party barges.

Keep the central performance area but move the coffe vending someplace else nearby.

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 2:16 pm

More families can be had just by moving the event a week earlier but that would bring more ravers too. I don't have a thing in the world against raves, I just don't think BM should be considered the mother of all anything-goes raves and it seems like it is turning into one and I think that might be a big part of the problem. I doubt the ravers are bringing any large art installations. They are coming to hang out at the rave camps. Basically spectators.

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:46 pm

OK, it is an easy thing to toss such 'ideas' out there but without buttressing your 'do's' and 'dont's' with a reasoned stand or argument this is only going to represent so much online circle jerking.

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 8:01 pm

Guns.

Bigger ones too.

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:10 pm

Guns.

Bigger ones too.

A man after my own heart.

manowar · Post by **manowar** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:26 pm

spectabillis wrote:Guns.

Bigger ones too.

Yes, let's bring back the drive by shooting range.
Oh and try and have less Yahoos as well.
......Wait I think....yes... I think I see a way those two might work together. Now if we could only agree on what constitutes a yahoo. Ah hell, just arm everyone. Last one standing, don't forget...Leave No Trace.

thinkcooper · Post by **thinkcooper** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:01 am

spectabillis wrote:Guns.

Bigger ones too.

I'd second that. Anyone for shooting WP rounds at jugs of gasoline?

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:02 pm

Tracer Rounds and Fuel Depot Camp

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:54 pm

the idea of setting "foo-gas" demolitions miles away from the event seems like a nice subversive performance art kind of thing.... 55 gallon containers placed in the ground months/weeks before the event empty, then fill and fuse them.... then at some point in the week... blow them all at once... again miles away for safety... but on the blackest of nights...
toss the igniters into a burn barrel and walk away... hey, did you see the explosions?

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:30 pm

Now THAT sounds like fun. Some interesting pyrotechnics well beyond the trash fence sounds like great fun. I would imagine that someone might be able to put on quite a tracer round show out on the playa beyond the BM exclusion zone.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:40 pm

Great idea Joel, I'm trying to work up a mind fuck for burn night. It would only last 30-90 seconds and gone forever. Nuf time for everyone to wet thair pants. Being an old man I could fake that. Going to need two three people to help.

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:43 pm

How about helicopter gunships strafing people trying to sneak in,
It would offer a degree of randomness to the show.

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:56 pm

How about helicopter gunships strafing people trying to sneak in,
It would offer a degree of randomness to the show.

Get thee to a keyboard and send a note to Mobius. The perimeter crew needs folks like you.

Q_ · Post by Q_ » Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:09 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote: 2- No cafe at center camp!

Amen!!!!!

If you can't live without your coffee, then bring it with you. What's next? Bagels, Biscotti? What the hell, lets just contract the whole thing out to Starbucks....

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:33 pm

Q_ wrote:
Apollonaris Zeus wrote: 2- No cafe at center camp!
Amen!!!!!

If you can't live without your coffee, then bring it with you. What's next? Bagels, Biscotti? What the hell, lets just contract the whole thing out to Starbucks....

do you have a relative by the login of DVD?

Q_ · Post by Q_ » Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:39 pm

Simply Joel wrote:
do you have a relative by the login of DVD?

No, but I do enjoy some of their posts.....

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:59 pm

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:09 pm

1. Get rid of the stage in center camp, turn it back into a place to relax. Move coffee sales outside center camp or eliminate it altogether. Makes too much of a drive-thru atmosphere in center camp.

2. Stop handing out garbage at the front gate. Specifically, don't give everyone in the vehicle a map and all the other paperwork. If they want a map, let them go get one instead of adding to the amount of trash generated.

3. Turn "The Man" back into a place to hang out. Get rid of the art space (also very drive-through feeling). No more performance art, please.

I'm sure I'll think of more.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 1:37 pm

require everyone to come by my camp and tell me how cool they think it is. Beer donation not mandatory.

Q_ · Post by Q_ » Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:08 pm

I would really like to have the gates closed on Wednesday. Keep out the spectators.

Isotopia · Post by **Isotopia** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:23 pm

I would really like to have the gates closed on Wednesday. Keep out the spectators.

Although the anectdotal evidence may have suggested at one time that late arrivals comprised a disproportionate amount of the problems (trash, assholishness,etc.) I no longer believe it. If anything I think the yahoos are getting more savy. I mean, a whole fucking week of asshole behavior certainly trumps just being able to do it for a few days.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:30 pm

as I have said before, closing the gates won't do shit.

My guage has always been when I see that first beer and butt in a pottie. This year it was Monday.

the enemy is us

Q_ · Post by Q_ » Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:41 pm

OK, I concede

Isotopia · Post by **Isotopia** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:58 pm

My guage has always been when I see that first beer and butt in a pottie. This year it was Monday.

Yep. Monday before noon in my case.

sputnik · Post by **sputnik** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 6:31 pm

Hold it in an even more remote and inhospitable place. Maybe northern Idaho or Montana or even way up in Canada somewhere. That would solve a lot of the 'problems' that folks have with the event.

It'll reduce the sheer numbers

It'll cut down on the weekend fratboys

It'll make it much more difficult to provide city services to. So things like portapotties would be practically out of the question.

You might get a whole 1000 people to show up.

HEADBANDMAN · Post by **HEADBANDMAN** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:07 pm

It's funny you can live with out any thing else but " I must have my coffee" And yea no I like it. But I got a kidney stone and they told me not to drink coffee any more and drink 2 1/2 litters of water a day. Giving up coffee was easy. Drinking that much water....... very difficult.

"Aha I have to go to the bathroom again"

blyslv · Post by **blyslv** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:23 pm

Fewer, much fewer decisions made from "on-high."

I would like to see the BM Org do as little as possible. Portapotties and a Man. Hell scratch the man, if we want one to burn let's burn him ourselves.

Q_ · Post by Q_ » Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:41 pm

Don't let anyone go to Burning Man more than three times, because then they transform into old cranky burners that think that everything sucks now and tell us how much the new folks are fucking it up...

Or, we could just go and have fun and see what happens and enjoy the random changing experiement

diode · Post by **diode** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 8:41 pm

Put the Man back on the hay bales

Mandatory naked fire dancers

Fire breathing dragon theme

Make the city one big circle with the Man in the middle.

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What changes to Burning Man would you suggest to improve it?

pre-set explosives

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