Yurt strapping idea(s)

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Yurt strapping idea(s)

Post by tffy » Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:42 am

Not sure if starting a new thread is the way to go... so, forgive me for possible missteps for not posting this in the generalized h-yurt thread.

Soooo, as the guy in charge of our camp's H-Y village, the time has come to the question of staking the mothers down. These are all arranged in a manner shown in the picture below... which limits the strapping of the yurts somewhat.
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*edit: Oh, and that thing in the center is the AC with some of the ducting - and that also explains a bit of a reason for the arrangement.

Noooow, the question is - and I saw this done by someone in a site I found a while ago, but it is not AFAIK a conventional practice. Riddle me this - what would be the big downsides, in your opinion, of doing the manner shown in the picture below?
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What do you guys think?

Thanks and be seein' you on the playa in a few days! :)
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Re: Yurt strapping idea(s)

Post by Canoe » Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:44 am

Although not the strongest part of the roof, it should be strong enough?
Anchored on the ground so close to the yurt wall, it will hold the yurt "down", but for holding the yurt against lateral wind forces the resulting vertical component on the anchor will be huge, trying to rip it out of the ground.
The lateral wind forces on a stretch six in a 75 mph wind can range from 900 lbs. to 1800 lbs..
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With an appropriate anchor, it should be fine.

I do have some concern with the placement of the doors with that hexayurt layout.
The layout of the yurts is surprisingly similar to some layouts tried for having fixed structures arranged to provide the concentration of ambient winds for maximum channeled velocity and pressure for powering ground-level wind turbines. Depending on the wind direction, some poor bastard is going to get maximum pressure right at their door. As the wind changes direction, you'll be taking turns. If you get a good blow and it forces the door open, that concentrated pressure will pressurize the interior and try to blow the walls out. Hope you're using the good bi-filament tape.

For less wind pressure on the doors, a better layout might be to have the doors where the red is. Or even on an end as in the green.

If the hexayurts panels are already made with the doors cut, you could reverse the direction of the "wheel" to get the doors to the equivalent "red" position.
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Re: Yurt strapping idea(s)

Post by tffy » Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:04 pm

Shit, the door placement idea. That's a good one. Mainly not b/c of the wind magnification thing... although that could help, but b/c it gives more space/a freer-feelin' entrance. Hmmm, shit... what the hell was I thining? The circle holes for the AC have already been cut too, but... I guess we can put them back on. :D Hummpfhhh....

'tried for having fixed structures arranged to provide the concentration of ambient winds for maximum channeled velocity and pressure' - are you talking about centrifugal turbine compressor diffusers? They kinda look like that... not sure if I follow.

Doors already been cut, yeah. Hummmpfh...

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Post by Elderberry » Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:08 pm

So one A/c unit will be used and ducted to cool all of the yurts? Interesting. I'll be curious to hear how that works out. Actually I'd like to hear more about how you are designing it. Are you using any auxiliary fan? How large is the A/C unit? What type? Etc.
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Post by tffy » Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:47 pm

So one A/c unit will be used and ducted to cool all of the yurts? Interesting. I'll be curious to hear how that works out. Actually I'd like to hear more about how you are designing it. Are you using any auxiliary fan? How large is the A/C unit? What type? Etc.
One unit - a 8kBTU Sharp. Two concentric circles, connected to the AC at 2 points 180 degrees apart in a T-fashion. One cold air, one return warm air. Didn't think it worth while to raise the hot intake (can do a post-install snorkel inside of yurt if need be), so they're on top of each other, ground level. Should have basic install done in a few hours. Then... :)

No auxiliary fan for now, and am very curious how it works out as well. :D

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Post by tffy » Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:43 pm

Having tried a dry run of this... Yes to 2 auxiliary fans. :D

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Post by Canoe » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:03 pm

tffy wrote:'tried for having fixed structures arranged to provide the concentration of ambient winds for maximum channeled velocity and pressure' - are you talking about centrifugal turbine compressor diffusers?
Some are five feet in diameter, some are 200 feet. They channel the wind towards a central core, lighter winds channeled into stronger air flow and more effective at driving a wind turbine. Some have multiple turbines, others a single central one where the wind exits upwards, with one-way flow from the wings into the center. Not very effective as an energy source. Could be very effective at pressurizing a yurt through that door placement.
tffy wrote:... The circle holes for the AC have already been cut too, but... I guess we can put them back on....
Canoe wrote:... If the hexayurts panels are already made with the doors cut, you could reverse the direction of the "wheel" to get the doors to the equivalent "red" position.
Just to be sure I'm on the same page.
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One of the great things about yurts is their letting wind pressure escape around all sides and over the top. A little more space between yurts, further out from the center, covering a slightly larger footprint, would let wind pressure to escape easier between yurts. Think what would happen if there's a micro burst blasting down into that center.

The extra space would:
  • make it easier to get tie-downs in place a little further out from the wall of the hexayurt, for less vertical pull-out on the anchors,
  • more space for wind pressure to escape,
  • more space for routing the a/c ducts to the existing holes?
  • look cooler in the satellite photo... :wink:
And, the change in direction makes it look like the wheel is turning with the sun (clock-wise), not against the sun.
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Re: Yurt strapping idea(s)

Post by Elderberry » Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:24 pm

tffy wrote:
So one A/c unit will be used and ducted to cool all of the yurts? Interesting. I'll be curious to hear how that works out. Actually I'd like to hear more about how you are designing it. Are you using any auxiliary fan? How large is the A/C unit? What type? Etc.
One unit - a 8kBTU Sharp. Two concentric circles, connected to the AC at 2 points 180 degrees apart in a T-fashion. One cold air, one return warm air. Didn't think it worth while to raise the hot intake (can do a post-install snorkel inside of yurt if need be), so they're on top of each other, ground level. Should have basic install done in a few hours. Then... :)

No auxiliary fan for now, and am very curious how it works out as well. :D
It's probably the wine, but I'm having a hard time understanding your explanation of the design. Can you elaborate a bit more?

(I thought that you might need an auxiliary fan.)
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Post by tffy » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:33 am

Sorry for the late reply. Been busy busy busy as you might imagine. :)
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And thanks for the ideas, Canoe. Sad to say that (with these being picked up in about 4 days and a lot of work still undone)... we might end up doing this one in a not-so-perfect manner. Hope it works. :D
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Post by theCryptofishist » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:00 am

Does anyone else read the thread title and think about how manly these yurts are?
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Post by FIGJAM » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:02 am

As opposed to a 90 pound yurtling? :lol:
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Post by theCryptofishist » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:04 am

Okay, that made me laugh.
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Post by tffy » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:12 am

Well, they ARE pretty manly yurts! :)

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Post by FIGJAM » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:13 am

Do they kick dust in other yurts doors? :?
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Post by theCryptofishist » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:32 am

I'm not sure if that's manly yurts or bully yurts.
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Post by FIGJAM » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:34 am

Burts?
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Post by Nipple » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:57 am

If you step into the middle of the circle you immolate.

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Post by FIGJAM » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:59 am

I thought that was the solar kitchen! :?
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Re: Yurt strapping idea(s)

Post by tffy » Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:35 pm

Now look at what you monkeys have done to my nice and clean and pretty and to-the-point thread!!! :D For shame!!!

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