The Bar

Woodrow · Post by **Woodrow** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:07 pm

Hey... there's a trap door back here... wonder where it goes.... ooooohh... it's dark down there..... wow... it's big...... [/size]

Sandwichman · Post by **Sandwichman** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:07 pm

GuinivereElise wrote:awww...babe

I gotta run. Trying to catch the sunset/eclipse!

Ciao, and see you all when I come back from the Diego Decom!

Enjoy yourself in SD. See ya when you get back

Jason

buckethead alien · Post by **buckethead alien** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:51 pm

Crystal-clear night here for the eclipse. Baby's asleep and I am watching it out the bedroom window. One thing I always notice during an eclipse is that the moon seems so close to the earth when it nears total. Like a tennis ball you could just reach out and grab from the air.

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:43 pm

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:47 pm

geekster wrote:

Wow, I guess that cheerleader in high school WILL have sex with me after all. I better go find her number.

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:47 pm

Either that, or Boston just won the World Series.

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:01 pm

Ain't we a quiet bunch these nights

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:04 pm

So Geekster, or anybody, besides the newbie boot camp, you got any other ideas kicking around to reshape Burning Man?

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:10 pm

Hey Captain, what's the new Mutant Vehicle secret project? I won't tell anybody promise.

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:20 pm

Well, I saw your posting on the other thread, Z, and I kind of look at it like this ... (tilt your head a little to the left)

Imagine Raver Joe is told by his buddies what an awesome week-long anything-goes rave that BM is ... so he goes. In the old world, he would rave his little ass off, go home, and tell all HIS friends what an awesome week-long anything-goes rave BM is.

In the new world, he gets rounded up, makes some art, gets in a parade through town, maybe gifted some trinkets but at the least gets a lot of smiles and hugs ... his art goes on display, he walks away with a GREAT BIG smile and the ice is broken with the community and he goes home and says there are some great raves at BM .... but there is this really cool art thing too. And maybe next year he brings something cool to share.

As for other ideas, maybe "No artistic talent whatsoever camp" that specializes in art making for the artistically challanged.

I favor underground movements and pranks within the community, I would like to see some spirit, some spunk (in the American sense of the word) some gumption ... some ballsy funny artsy stuff.

Issue a press release, make a fake web page, make an alternative man, get a bunch of people in realish looking uniforms to cause all kinds of interactive havoc.

I got the feeling that people were going out there an just letting the event happen to them rather then taking the bull by the horns and being a part of the art.

My first step is to just give newbies a sense of personal investment in the project. Once they feel that they REALLY ARE a valued participant, it will be a lot easier to get input from them. This crap of going from dance camp to dance camp is going to kill the event. Maybe ban all recorded music or something ... wouldn't THAT make a radical change! Maybe I will do that, maybe *I* will ban all recorded music. Muaahahaha

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:30 pm

I really do like the Idea but have been having a hard time thinking of a good way to gather people who may not be at all interested until you " force" them to be... as I was typing this I happened to think of Art cars! get some to work with you load up in center camp and around the city drive them out to the middle of no ware and sit them down with some materials in front of them.

Ok maybe not but I do like the guerilla movement idea.

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:35 pm

I have images of the false tent front hiding the back of a truck, " check this cool thing out, free blinkies" shanghaied kind of thing.

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:39 pm

http://www.taxidermy.com/cat/09/pike.html got me thinking of some interesting things that could be done.

Anyway ... that was the whole point of the Virgin roundup. See, I want to get the word out that there is a virgin parade ... but kind of keep the art part of it quiet ... just between us here, see. So we round up the virgins and get them someplace to "assemble" ... and then they are told that what they are assembling is art. They would get a little orientation of course ... very short ... less than 5 minutes. They make some art, then we have a parade.

My initial idea was to put a couple of shade structures up out in the playa near the man or something. The parade out the 3:00 radial, around the esplanade, back to the man on the 9:00 and clean up/disperse.

It would be really nice to have a place near center camp to display the art. They could carry their works to the gallery as part of the parade ... presenting the city with their art.

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:50 pm

There was a theme camp I don't remember the name not far from the post office this year that was doing glaze your own raku (sp) fired tea bowl. they shut down I think on Thursday because the crush of people wanting to do it was to great or maybe they ran out of stuff. but the end of the week gets crazy.

I'm just throwing out ideas here.

As much as I like the grass roots take back Burning Man thing, it could get to be really expensive how about a virgin oriented " camp" sponsored by the organization either on the playa or near center camp, at least to base out of.

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:54 pm

I went into a taxidermy supply store once looking for eyes for a sculpture I was working on, there is some pretty weird and wonderful shit in those places but they aren't cheep.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:03 pm

well gang I just gotta bust in here and put my 2 cents in...big friggin stuff is happening in the cosmos today....big friggin stuff. And I'm not only talkin about a baseball game. Here's the dope:
Well, the seemingly impossible has happened and not only happened but happened with such resounding finality that it ranks in the realm of the truly awesome. Yes, baseball history was indeed made today and it goes beyond baseball. This Red Sox victory not only is the greatest single message of hope fulfilled, but it is also the single most inspiring example of playing against the odds and emerging victorious. It has deeper repercussions as well. As I watched the final moments of the game, images of our troops in Iraq wearing fatigues and Red Sox baseball hats were flashed on the Fox sports channel. I've been opposed to this stupid costly war from the get go, and I haven't been happy about our troops slaughtering so many Iraqis, yet when I saw those pictures, in an instant I felt a bond of love for those guys that transcended all the political stuff. As loudly as I cheered the victorious Red Sox, I cheered these guys. I sent them no disapproval, only love and a sincere desire for their safety. God bring em home now safe and sound! This is where they belong. Home. Safe with their families. The Red Sox victory, happening on this auspicious full moon eclipse, speaks to the deep need for the seemingly impossible to happen across the board....like true and lasting peace to erupt all over the place and not a phony peace backed up by mutually assured destruction or by tense military bargaining, but real, palpable, earth friendly and people friendly peace. Yes. The Red Sox victory says that this is not only possible but do-able. Yes. Once the energetic of something like this is set loose on the hearts and minds of peoples’ consciousnesses, it sets a creative flux of similar possibilities in motion. There is no accident that all this happened on the day of a full lunar eclipse. The moon is symbolic of deep spiritual change and renewal. All of creation moves in synchronicity with these events. This is a harbinger of good things to come. Don’t doubt it, like so many did about the chances for the Red Sox, but hold in your thoughts the frigging do-ability of it. The Red Sox proved that team solidarity and belief in yourself to succeed is paramount to achieving anything. Anything.
We are the creators of this reality and we are the masters of change. Yes we are!

Drinks on me for the next friggin month!!!

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:06 pm

...........The dawn of a new age............. ok

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:11 pm

Actually, a burner from northern Washington was down in my neck of the woods and had lunch with me not long ago. He had an idea for a virgin theme camp.

I want to do this on Wednesday for a couple of reasons. First, the virgins that show up after Wednesday are going to hear from their other virgin friends about the cool parade they got to be part of earlier in the week and secondly, for the first year I am not going to have enough stuff for all the virgins that invade the event on the weekend.

I heard it estimated that of the 35,000 people attending, 1/2 of them were virgins. My guess is that over 50% of those virgins got there on or after Thursday. The experianced burner to virgin ratio is probably more favorable at that time (pre-Thursday) and most camps have finished or are well on their way to finished setup by Wednesday afternoon.

As for org sponsorship of things ... here is all I would REALLY like to have ... 1. A place to display some art near center camp and 2. Autorization to place a one piece of art in the cafe to represent all the virgins' gift to the city. And maybe a venue for an art burn on Friday or before man burn on Saturday. Anything more would be really nice but I would have to see what strings are attached.

The key is that I really dont want this taking up a lot of people's time. A couple of hours on one day and thats it. Some of us are going to spend more time planning and organizing but for the most part, people have other stuff they want to do at the burn (me included) and they should. This is just something fun. We will learn a lot the first year and I would expect things to be better the second and third years as more people are aware of the roundup and take a more active supporting role in it.

But actually, the Temple of Vesta tribe is the place for most of this kind of discussion. And these are just my early thoughts. There is a lot of discussion we can do and what it turns out to be could be completely different. I am going to try really hard not to be a hardass control freak and let the other participants pull this thing in whatever direction it ends up going in as long as it is FUN. That is the main thing.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:12 pm

hey Zule! Man, thanks for the long strange avatar trip it's been!
little factoid here: ever since 1930, any presidential candidate whose team won the World Series, has also won the presidency! Believe brother that President Kerry is gonna do it too! I have no doubts about that. No fuckin doubts!

tisha2 · Post by **tisha2** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:14 pm

wow...what a night... siiiiggghhhhh...

i can feel that cowboy.

there really is something out there right now. you can even feel it around here...

oh - And Geekster...if you really want to see about art space around center camp for virgin art, let me know. i may be able to help.

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:22 pm

tisha2 good to see you!

Cowboy I really hope Red Sox / Kerry, connection works out, I'll take any thing I can get to keep Hope alive.

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:23 pm

Oh, Tisha, that would be awesome. We'll see how things work out as they go along.

Oh and Dooce has like the funniest blog entry ... http://www.dooce.com Look at Tuesday's entry titled:

Email: Can't we just leave my hair out of this?

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:26 pm

geekster, I agree Wednesday is your best bet for a one shot deal. I need to check out Temple of Vesta tribe, I've never looked at any of the tribe stuff.

tisha2 · Post by **tisha2** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:31 pm

...Of France!!!!

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:36 pm

Zulegoona wrote:tisha2 good to see you!

Cowboy I really hope Red Sox / Kerry, connection works out, I'll take any thing I can get to keep Hope alive.

One interesting thing about Boston and Kerry is that they never seemed to get along. The Boston Globe absolutely hated the guy when he was just a Senator. Called him all kinds of names. Something like "The do-nothing Senator" ... oh, I remember what is was ... Showhorse, not workhorse. Back when Dean was the darling of the media the liberal press was practically tripping over themselves telling what a non-job Kerry has done in Congress.

I just get so pissed when people of either side start making up facts. Bush is no visionary, a president should be a visionary. Kerry is a campainger, thats it. Nothing of substance. We will be in the same position with him that we are with Bush. He will staff up with underlings that will tell him what to do. Maybe Clinton will install a Batphone to the White House and run things by remote control. No good choices at all this year.

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:39 pm

tisha2 wrote:...Of France!!!!

Yeah, Dooce is my favorite blogger on the Internet. If you ever get the time, check out:

http://www.dooce.com/archives/daily/11_27_2002.html

I posted a link to that one once before ... its the one about farts but it's mainly about Pacific Northwest Citizenship. She actually lost her job when she lived in LA because of her blog.

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:41 pm

As much as I hate to bring politics into the bar * wink at tisha* I have to say I have no real love of Kerry either but I'm in the anybody but the neo-con's puppet camp.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:44 pm

geekster wrote:
Zulegoona wrote:tisha2 good to see you!

Cowboy I really hope Red Sox / Kerry, connection works out, I'll take any thing I can get to keep Hope alive.
One interesting thing about Boston and Kerry is that they never seemed to get along. The Boston Globe absolutely hated the guy when he was just a Senator. Called him all kinds of names. Something like "The do-nothing Senator" ... oh, I remember what is was ... Showhorse, not workhorse. Back when Dean was the darling of the media the liberal press was practically tripping over themselves telling what a non-job Kerry has done in Congress.

I just get so pissed when people of either side start making up facts. Bush is no visionary, a president should be a visionary. Kerry is a campainger, thats it. Nothing of substance. We will be in the same position with him that we are with Bush. He will staff up with underlings that will tell him what to do. Maybe Clinton will install a Batphone to the White House and run things by remote control. No good choices at all this year.

Say that dear geekster as old Renquist is ready to croak, as Bush asks for another 70 billion for Iraq, as the republicans have their greedy little eyes set on ANWAR and other drilling and mining opportunities (Kerry was the only senator to threaten to filibuster any move to drill the Arctic Wildlife Refuge) If you really think there is not gonna be a significant difference then I feel sad for you. But hey buddy, I'll buy you a drink anyday!

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:45 pm

Zulegoona wrote:As much as I hate to bring politics into the bar * wink at tisha* I have to say I have no real love of Kerry either but I'm in the anybody but the neo-con's puppet camp.

Yeah, well. Be careful what you wish for. When you want something really bad, you might just get something really bad.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:47 pm

geekster wrote:
Zulegoona wrote:As much as I hate to bring politics into the bar * wink at tisha* I have to say I have no real love of Kerry either but I'm in the anybody but the neo-con's puppet camp.

Yeah, well. Be careful what you wish for. When you want something really bad, you might just get something really bad.

yeah...death may be preferable to another 4 of Gearge and his evil warped religious wacko crew

this is a bar ...so have another drink....after awhile you'll begin to see the light! Didn't you read my post? here it is again...Joe Bob Briggs says, "check it out man"

Well, the seemingly impossible has happened and not only happened but happened with such resounding finality that it ranks in the realm of the truly awesome. Yes, baseball history was indeed made today and it goes beyond baseball. This Red Sox victory not only is the greatest single message of hope fulfilled, but it is also the single most inspiring example of playing against the odds and emerging victorious. It has deeper repercussions as well. As I watched the final moments of the game, images of our troops in Iraq wearing fatigues and Red Sox baseball hats were flashed on the Fox sports channel. I've been opposed to this stupid costly war from the get go, and I haven't been happy about our troops slaughtering so many Iraqis, yet when I saw those pictures, in an instant I felt a bond of love for those guys that transcended all the political stuff. As loudly as I cheered the victorious Red Sox, I cheered these guys. I sent them no disapproval, only love and a sincere desire for their safety. God bring em home now safe and sound! This is where they belong. Home. Safe with their families. The Red Sox victory, happening on this auspicious full moon eclipse, speaks to the deep need for the seemingly impossible to happen across the board....like true and lasting peace to erupt all over the place and not a phony peace backed up by mutually assured destruction or by tense military bargaining, but real, palpable, earth friendly and people friendly peace. Yes. The Red Sox victory says that this is not only possible but do-able. Yes. Once the energetic of something like this is set loose on the hearts and minds of peoples’ consciousnesses, it sets a creative flux of similar possibilities in motion. There is no accident that all this happened on the day of a full lunar eclipse. The moon is symbolic of deep spiritual change and renewal. All of creation moves in synchronicity with these events. This is a harbinger of good things to come. Don’t doubt it, like so many did about the chances for the Red Sox, but hold in your thoughts the frigging do-ability of it. The Red Sox proved that team solidarity and belief in yourself to succeed is paramount to achieving anything. Anything.
We are the creators of this reality and we are the masters of change. Yes we are!