How about a straw vote.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:50 am

Bush/Kerry

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:55 am

unjonharley wrote:Bush/Kerry

wouldn't be prudent

dragonfly Jafe · Post by **dragonfly Jafe** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:00 am

How about a pool to decide on what day the election will be officially over? (or year...)

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:09 am

Okay, My guess is that the e-playa over-represents greens, libertarians, independents and democrats and underrepresents republicans. Anyone here peace and freedom?

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:16 am

theCryptofishist wrote:Okay, My guess is that the e-playa over-represents greens, libertarians, independents and democrats and underrepresents republicans. Anyone here peace and freedom?

peace through superior firepower?

freedom with responsibility?

yes, i believe your guess is correct about e-playan political leanings... but i doubt if greens and democrats are under-represented on the NRA website. just a guess on my part.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:17 am

Simply Joel wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:Okay, My guess is that the e-playa over-represents greens, libertarians, independents and democrats and underrepresents republicans. Anyone here peace and freedom?
peace through superior firepower?

freedom with responsibility?

yes, i believe your guess is correct about e-playan political leanings... but i doubt if greens and democrats are well-represented on the NRA website. just a guess on my part.

oops.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:27 am

In case you were wondering... here are some timely tips for voting.

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November 1, 2004
TODAY'S EDITORIALS
What to Do on Election Day

Civics books make voting look like a breeze, but it can be hard work. Voter rolls are inaccurate, ID requirements vary and are erratically enforced, partisans try to disqualify likely supporters of their opponents, and lines at the polls can be excruciatingly long. In 2000, as many as six million presidential votes were lost for technical reasons, and this year the number could be even larger. Voters, particularly in battleground states, should head to the voting booth prepared to fight for their vote to be counted:

1. Know where to go. In many states, you will not be allowed to vote if you show up at the wrong polling place. Worse still, you may be given a provisional ballot to vote on that will later be thrown out. Your board of elections can tell you where to vote. If you can't reach the board, a nonpartisan hotline, 1-866-OURVOTE, has a polling place locator. So does the Web site www.mypollingplace.com.

2. Bring proper ID. The rules vary by state. If you have a photo ID, it's wise to bring it, just in case. Too often, poll workers demand ID when it is not required, or demand the wrong ID. If you do not know the law in your jurisdiction, you should check your local board of elections Web site.

3. Review the sample ballot before voting. Ballots are often confusing, and their designs can change considerably from election to election. And as the infamous "butterfly ballot" showed in 2000, a poorly designed ballot can trick voters into choosing a candidate they did not intend. If you have questions about how to vote on your ballot, ask a poll worker or poll monitor for help.

4. Check your ballot before finalizing your vote. As we saw in 2000, if punch card chads are not punched out precisely, votes may not be counted. On electronic machines, a brush of the hand can erase or change a vote. On paper ballots, stray or incomplete marks can disqualify a vote.

5. Know your rights concerning provisional ballots. No voter can be turned away in any state this year without being allowed to vote. If there is a question about your eligibility, you must be allowed to vote on a provisional ballot, the validity of which will be determined later. But if you are entitled to vote on a regular ballot, you should insist on doing so, since a provisional ballot may be disqualified later on a technicality.

6. Know where to turn for help. If you experience problems voting, or if you see anything improper at the polls, you may want to get help. There will be nonpartisan poll monitors at many polling places. (There may also be partisan poll watchers, and it's possible one of them may be the person objecting to your voting.) It is a good idea to bring a cellphone, and phone numbers of nonpartisan hotlines like the Election Protection program's 1-866-OURVOTE and Common Cause's 1-866-MYVOTE1.

7. Be prepared for long lines. In some precincts, the wait may stretch into hours. Try to get to your polling place very early in the morning, or between the before-work and after-work rushes. As long as you are in line before the polls close, you are legally entitled to vote. Do not let poll workers close the polls until you have voted.

Making Votes Count: Editorials in this series remain online at nytimes.com/makingvotescount.

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:31 am

To the best of my knowledge I've NEVER met a "peace and freedom" party member. Even I think of them as a joke. Maybe Joel just outfoxed me here.

SilkenTofu · Post by **SilkenTofu** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:51 am

theCryptofishist wrote:Okay, My guess is that the e-playa over-represents greens, libertarians, independents and democrats and underrepresents republicans. Anyone here peace and freedom?

Crypto

When I first registered to vote in 1990 (when I turned 18) I did register Peace and Freedom Party. I made the mistake of telling my father (Republican) and he began to rant telling me that they were a front for the Communist Party, so to make Dad happy I changed to Democrat (which he wasn't thrilled with but it made him happier than Peace and Freedom) Dad is dead now and I changed to Green Party.

I never did look into "Peace and Freedom" actually being Communist/Socialist...is it true? To tell the truth I was just a dumb 18 year old and thought yeah I am down with peace and freedom. Now I am a dumb 32 year old but I vote every election and haven't missed one in 14 years.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 11:01 am

Not sure actually, but it was, as far as I know, founded by certain 60s radicals. Angela Davis may have been involved wiht it at some time, which would certainly be some sort of "communist connection" but did it (for instance) ever take money from the Soviets or Chinese--no idea. Actually, I have a vague half memory that my father may have voted for or belonged to the party at one time. He later was a Ross Perot voter. I know I've voted for them in the "I don't like either of the big party candidates--I'm going to try and put a little fear in their machines" spirit, but I've never been a member. I can't actually believe that they are still around, or maybe they were still in the 90s. I get hazy.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 11:10 am

theCryptofishist wrote:To the best of my knowledge I've NEVER met a "peace and freedom" party member. Even I think of them as a joke. Maybe Joel just outfoxed me here.

http://www.peaceandfreedom.org/

heck, i didn't realize there was such an entity.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 11:37 am

Eeep! I'd say the "Internationale" clinches it. Commies.

And maybe Alameda county is the only place they still exist. Which means Berkeley. Which means that they were drinking espresso at the next table to me any number of times.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 11:40 am

theCryptofishist wrote:Eeep! I'd say the "Internationale" clinches it. Commies.

And maybe Alameda county is the only place they still exist. Which means Berkeley. Which means that they were drinking espresso at the next table to me any number of times.

too funny... elitist egalitarians, IMHO of course.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 11:44 am

Ha! Is liking good coffee elitist? And we support the coffee pickers.

(on the other hand, I'm still the one and only member of the Juan Valdez Liberation Front. Should we have a rally outside the center camp cafe this year?

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 11:58 am

theCryptofishist wrote:Ha! Is liking good coffee elitist? And we support the coffee pickers.

(on the other hand, I'm still the one and only member of the Juan Valdez Liberation Front. Should we have a rally outside the center camp cafe this year?

i am always up for coffee...

regarding berkley... weren't you the one that referred to aggressive buddhists in berkley?

back to the straw vote... straw makes a good bed when nothing else is available. so, yeah, i vote for straw.

regynalonglank · Post by **regynalonglank** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:00 pm

is this the thing with the long straw and the short straw? cuz i ALWAYS get the short straw...

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:07 pm

You will need rye straw to get rid of those bed bugs. I slept on straw ticks aka mattress.

In Or. we mail in our vote. At this time 61% have turned in thair vote.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:59 pm

Simply Joel wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:Ha! Is liking good coffee elitist? And we support the coffee pickers.

(on the other hand, I'm still the one and only member of the Juan Valdez Liberation Front. Should we have a rally outside the center camp cafe this year?
i am always up for coffee...

regarding berkley... weren't you the one that referred to aggressive buddhists in berkley?

I believe it was aggressive vegitarians. I don't remember how I characterised the local buddhists.

Berkeley, Berkeley, Berkeley. There's a whole lot of trash I could (and do) talk about my home town, but in a lot of ways it's cultural effects have been more positive than negative.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 3:37 pm

hey fishy...I used to be a Berk landlord...ya me cowboyangel.....but I was of course, an angel.....renting to many section 8 women and no monkey business. had to sell years ago.... I love Berkeley!

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 4:52 pm

cowboyangel wrote:hey fishy...I used to be a Berk landlord...ya me cowboyangel.....but I was of course, an angel.....renting to many section 8 women and no monkey business. had to sell years ago.... I love Berkeley!

I don't believe you. Where's the rent control rant?

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 6:32 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:
cowboyangel wrote:hey fishy...I used to be a Berk landlord...ya me cowboyangel.....but I was of course, an angel.....renting to many section 8 women and no monkey business. had to sell years ago.... I love Berkeley!
I don't believe you. Where's the rent control rant?

of course I felt that...but fighting off the crack dealers next door took up too much of my time...eventually we kicked them out of the neighborhood for good. Got tired of the occasional gun shots to the house and homeless folks sleeping in my garage. Glad to be rid of that scene...UC Students were pretty ok except for 1 or 2...

How about a straw vote.

How about a straw vote.

Re: How about a straw vote.

correction

Vote, VOte, VOTe, VOTE!