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Post by FossaFerox » Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:09 pm

Drawingablank wrote:My first year I was overprepared to the point of my neighbors not believeing we were birgins
I got that comment about our shade structure at one point. "A fucking virgin designed your camp?" Huge thanks to Figjam and everyone else who steered me right when I was asking questions during the early planning stages.
Drawingablank wrote:4. Playa Paw - After 2 days I had alligator skin on my hands, after 4 days they were cracked and bleeding. I've given much consideration about why only my hands are affected, after all virtually my whole body gets covered in dust including many areas that are much more sensitive than hands. I have come up with the theory that it is from frequently sticking my hands in the cooler to grab a PBR. Getting wet frequently is the only thing that makes my hands different from any other skin on my body on the playa. I suspect many playa foot sufferers are having a similar issue with sweaty feet. These days I minimize cooler water contact as much as possible and, apply hand lotion a minimum of 4 to 6 times a day.
It's absolutely the moisture. Have you seen Fight Club? Remember the lye scene? Dry acids and bases aren't as dangerous since only the closest layer (single molecule thick) can interact with your skin. In the presence of moisture, though, that stuff will diffuse and a fresh supply of caustic chemical will continue to circulate in and eat away at your skin. It also lowers the activation energy for the chemical reaction to take place in most cases since the molecules are more mobile and free to align in the worst possible ways. Remember, Playa<bodypart> is a chemical burn. ;)
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Post by fernley1 » Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:35 pm

This was my first year also. I over prepared, extra water, food, but every thing worked out good.
The one that I did that worked out real well was getting a bunch of LED dog collars to wear at night.
they come in different colors, and with the buckles on each end, they can be connected together to make longer ones.
They were steady on, slow blink and fast blink.
They lasted all week, @ 6 hours a night.
I wore them as a belt or 1 around my backpack, 1 in front.
got them on that auction E site.
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Post by Kairielise » Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:30 pm

FlyingMonkey wrote:
The one thing I learned upon arrival was "DON'T PANIC" it will all work out. If you don't get everything done to your level of perfection, it's Ok. Don't try to do too much on your own & focus your efforts on what you can reasonably get done. Above all else start early (like NOW). I have plans for a new Playa bike and would love to build an art car(some year) if time permits. I have prioritized what I need to get done & in the end it's just the small "nice to have" stuff that will get dropped.

Trust me when I say that stressing out before the event can really affect your attitude & get in the way of actually enjoying what this is all about.

START NOW!
Oh don't worry, I've already started. Bought a few pairs of pants at a thrift store just yesterday that have a date with my scissors and sewing machine tonight.

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Post by BBadger » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:03 pm

fernley1 wrote:This was my first year also. I over prepared, extra water, food, but every thing worked out good.
The one that I did that worked out real well was getting a bunch of LED dog collars to wear at night.
they come in different colors, and with the buckles on each end, they can be connected together to make longer ones.
Yeah, those things are great (or the necklaces). I used them to string through the spokes of my tires in a long snake. Then it's easy to see, cheap ($1.25 or $1.50 ea), and easy to install.

Worst LED purchase: LED swords. They break, they're obnoxiously bright, they don't last very long, and you don't want to carry them around if you're not just strapping them to your bike.
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Post by FossaFerox » Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:48 pm

Any recommendations on a particular LED collar? Feel free to PM me if you don't want to link to a commercial site here, I've just had bad experiences buying LED stuff blind. This year I had some LED arm bands I bought which turned out to be total crap. They had a single LED that was meant to diffuse light through a plastic band to give off light across the whole band. They looked pretty good when they worked, but every single one of them snapped around the connector within the first two nights. Thankfully they weren't my go-to lighting solution.
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Post by Eric » Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:37 pm

FossaFerox wrote:Feel free to PM me if you don't want to link to a commercial site here
Just an FYI for everyone (especially newer members): commercial links are fine when you're answering a question - as long as you do not profit from any links you post, no worries (ie: no linking your etsy page, even if you sold LED collars & they otherwise fit the criteria)

The "Overview on Commerce" for the ePlaya should help clear up any questions. :D
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Post by theCryptofishist » Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:01 pm

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Post by BBadger » Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:15 pm

I get my stuff at ExtremeGlow as per Junglesmacks' suggestion. The prices are better or comparable to other places, including eBay, and the selection is very good. They also have their annual 10% off Burning Man coupon, which usually saves me the cost of shipping on my typical ~$100 or so order. Remember that EG's selection changes all the time, and they sometimes run out near the Event. So if you see what you need, get a bunch of it in your big order with that coupon.

We bought some batteries to replace battery-dead gear, but generally would opt to just grab a new light. I think that's probably a better choice. You can do the chore of replacing batteries back at home with whatever you bring back. If you do buy batteries, get them in bulk on Amazon.com.

After two massive orders of all kind of "that would be cool" stuff, I've settled on some workhorse winners:

- Fingerlights - Unfortunately, it looks like the page for finger lights on EG is down, but you can get these anywhere. I would not pay more than $0.25 each, and sometimes you can get something like 40/$6 on eBay. These are the main lights I give to strangers. They're pretty cheap on EG, and just a cool gift in general, despite only being $0.25 each. Many a burgin's eyes glowed in wonder after receiving a finger light. I even save the battery-depleted lights because they have nice LEDs in them and have a nifty package. I bought about 30-40 packs of 4x last time, and still have some in the box. If I run out of old Easter candy for Halloween, I'd probably give out these lights instead of candy.

- LED Chaser Necklaces. They're pretty cheap, come in many colors, and are actually quite durable. The nice thing about them being inexpensive is that I don't feel hesitant about giving them away to camp members, people I crash into (before Thursday that is), or just decking out my bike as needed. I bought about 10 of these. I would probably double that next time.

- Single color LED sticks - You might also be tempted to get the multi-color LED sticks for $1.10 as well. These ones are quite bright, nicely made (good transparent plastic), and relatively durable. The only shortcoming is that the lanyard may pop off, so consider taping it onto stuff, or making sure that it doesn't fall off whatever you're putting it on. Nice gift to people as well. We bought about 15 of these.

Glowy Ball Ornament - Don't buy a lot of these, but they're pretty cool. The ball is annoying as a necklace, but awesome to hang from your bike as is creates a star pattern under your bike. For some reason, most of these I bought I didn't want to turn on after making it to the playa, even when they worked at home. We bought about 4x last time, but I can only remember one working at the time.

Lights that have some utility for safety:

- Foam LED tubes - These last an okay amount of time when lit up, but unfortunately don't have the same "glitz" of the others. They are, however, very useful for marking guylines. The large diameter (relatively) and bright white foam make them easy to see both in the day and at night. It may even prevent someone from getting hurt from the padding, e.g. if you have thin wires or fences that people may run into, consider strapping some of these, even unlit. When lit, they last about a day. We bought like 20 of these the year we bought them and had so many left over that we just brought some back. However, we gave up on replacing the batteries.

- LED cups - These are actually quite well made of sturdy plastic. Consider getting one for "your cup". They're also good for putting over stakes, as they glow all night, provide a large visible target like the foam tubes, and can prevent someone getting punctured by something sharp (even if they get hurt from the impact).

- LED Christmas lights - These are ~$10, but come in a relatively durable package that you can string around your camp. I would pack them with NiMH batteries to allow them to last longer, but they're pretty good as is.

Not impressed:

- EL Wire - Okay, yeah, there is some cool EL wire stuff, but my experience with EL wire is that: 1) expensive for what you get, 2) not very bright, even at full power, 3) eats through batteries, 4) gets tangled and breaks easily. I had one of those bike kits that had a weatherproof battery box, and it cost me $15 on a sale. Great I thought. Well, by the end of the burn, the wire was half-snapped up and the lights dim, and quite frankly I just didn't care that it was. I've opted for those LED necklaces for the bikes instead.

Shit that sucked:

- Hats, swords, gloves - These are expensive, and not all that cool. The hats are generally too small to wear and it's usually more fun to make your own and attach lights to that; they also lack a neck-strap. The swords are just bulky and annoying. They seem like a neat idea, but quickly lose their charm after you don't want to be burdened with them while walking around; they also break easily, and are not good for sword fights. :| The gloves don't fit very well, can get really hot, don't stay bright all that long, and are very expensive too at $10 each. They did keep our hands warm during rides, but weren't that great for much else.

- LED glasses - Okay, yeah, they're not terrible, but who wants to have some blinking and distracting light around your peripheral vision while riding at night? They also look kind of dumb and gimmicky.


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Post by fernley1 » Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:44 pm

Thanks for the rules update Eric.
I found the dog collars on e-bay. I got the ones made for big dogs, in a blue color.
I never had one fail during the week. The slow blink rate seemed to be the most noticeable. I liked that I could make them any length I needed for any thing I was wearing.

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Post by Kairielise » Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:52 pm

Oddly enough though I was just coming on here to browse for light recommendations. :lol: You said you weren't impressed with the EL wire, is that EL wire in general, or just the EL wire from EG? Have you used another brand that's better?

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Post by BBadger » Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:32 pm

I've bought multiple EL-wire kits, but none from EG. The one I got for BM 2011 was a BikeGlow kit with a 50%-off Burning Man coupon at the time that dropped the price to about $15.50. I've seen them as high as $48 each. It came with a slick package and ready to mount to the bike. We got one for each of us. If you see people with these fully decked out EL-wire bikes, they're probably using a kit like that.

I also bought a kit from Sparkfun. I rigged that up on a conical hat that I used for E11 and BM. That hat one used a 6x AA pack and only lasted one night, and caused it to snap from the setup because of the battery weight. SIX batteries I had to haul around in my front shirt pocket with a wire connected to the hat. MEH. Those LED sticks/necklaces use three tiny button cells and last all night.

In all these cases, though the EL-wire looked cool at the beginning, a few hours later they were dim and boring -- and this using the blink mode to save power. What more, those damn EL-wires are a pain because they are wires, and you'll be pedaling, or wearing your hat or suit, or something, and those wires will get snagged on something. SNAP! There goes your EL-wire. DAMMIT! Unless you plan on soldering up some hair-thin wires on the playa with some foil, you're out of luck. I think there were even some EL-wire repair camps. For myself, I was more interested in salvaging the weatherproof battery case and inverter than the tangled mess of EL wire that remained fixed to my bike. Maybe if I had a bunch of fur or carpet or something on my bike the wire could fit into that and not get snagged, but for my bike, the wire wrapping just didn't work well for me even with heavy tape that blocks out some of the light.

There are other reasons EL wire sucks: even assuming you have infinite batteries, it's not that bright (not that bright anyway) unless you have a lot of it, or you have the thicker variety that emits more light, but uses more power -- or drive it at a higher frequency which affects the lifespan (explained later). You also need better inverters for longer runs that need more power. Those inverters are also noisy, emitting a high pitched sound while they operate due to the oscillator.

Not only that, but EL-wire has a limited lifetime. Even if you encased the stuff in tubes to protect it, the more you use EL wire the more the electro-luminescent coating fades. The brighter you drive the EL-wire (which usually corresponds to the higher the frequency), the shorter its usable lifetime. Brighter runs, which costs you a bit, will last only a few hundred hours before losing substantial brightness (~1/2 by that point). Like a car, they lose brightness/value the moment you drive them off the lot. So not only have you ponied up for expensive wire that is only good when thick and eats up batteries, but now you have a product that will be useless.

Those are my experiences. I've given it a chance, and it's neat stuff, but just isn't worth the effort or cost for what I want out of lighting. Other than LEDs I might consider cold cathodes, but I'd need to find a good power source for them and secure them up so they don't break.
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Post by Eric » Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:26 pm

BBadger wrote:I get my stuff at ExtremeGlow as per Junglesmacks' suggestion. The prices are better or comparable to other places, including eBay, and the selection is very good. They also have their annual 10% off Burning Man coupon, which usually saves me the cost of shipping on my typical ~$100 or so order.
As of this year, I have to strongly disagree with using Extreme Glow. I've been using them for years, and have always been very happy. Good prices, good selection, reasonable shipping. This year the first two factors remained the same, but they bend you over on the shipping charges now. I had $18ish dollars worth of stuff in my cart, under a pound in weight, and they wanted almost $30 in shipping. $30 standard shipping, for less than a pound. Cleared the cart, tried again with new items, same ridiculous shipping. Ordered the lights from China off of eBay for basically the same price, they were sent with free shipping. From Hong Kong. You have to plan a 4-6 week min lead time (everything I ordered made it in 3 weeks - I wouldn't order after mid-July, and that stuff would be on the "hope" list). Extreme Glow is now an ex-supplier of mine.
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Post by BBadger » Wed Nov 20, 2013 11:25 pm

Eric wrote:As of this year, I have to strongly disagree with using Extreme Glow. I've been using them for years, and have always been very happy. Good prices, good selection, reasonable shipping. This year the first two factors remained the same, but they bend you over on the shipping charges now. I had $18ish dollars worth of stuff in my cart, under a pound in weight, and they wanted almost $30 in shipping. $30 standard shipping, for less than a pound.
I think a problem with that is that they previously required a $25 minimum order, but have reduced that to $10 -- all while baking the difference into the resulting transaction for small orders. I'm also not sure about what you ordered, but bulk -- not weight -- is often the deciding factor in the cost of shipping such items. I believe some domestic carriers will automatically bump packages over a certain size into higher weight categories regardless of the weight. The shipping tables are strange too: USPS will charge $25 for 20x Foam sticks but only $10.50 for 20x LED sticks -- but $29 for a combined order. UPS ground will charge $13 for 20x LED sticks, $14.35 for 20x Foam sticks -- but only $14.84 for 20x LED sticks AND 20x foam sticks.

Looking at my records, my shipping on a $164 order in 2012 with bulky items like swords, hats, lights, balls, etc. cost me only $17 via UPS ground for the total order. The cost of shipping was effectively cancelled out by the Burning Man discount they provided.
Cleared the cart, tried again with new items, same ridiculous shipping. Ordered the lights from China off of eBay for basically the same price, they were sent with free shipping. From Hong Kong. You have to plan a 4-6 week min lead time (everything I ordered made it in 3 weeks - I wouldn't order after mid-July, and that stuff would be on the "hope" list). Extreme Glow is now an ex-supplier of mine.
I checked those when I was buying in 2012. I didn't purchase them through eBay/Hong Kong sites mostly because of the reasons above (lead time), but also because I hadn't found a reliable Chinese seller for the selection of lights I wanted. At the time on eBay the prices on LED light sticks and finger lights were a lot higher than EG even in bulk. Sites like DealExtreme actually charged a lot more than ExtremeGlow, and in the quantities I ordered, the reduced shipping charges didn't make up the difference. Maybe it's better now (like the 40/$6 fingerlights, even 80/$11 on Amazon prime instead of 40/$11 on eBay at that time) I'm also wary of sites that involve Alibaba/AliExpress, etc. because despite having an escrow-type guarantee, the sellers are often pretty flakey and/or shady.

I would like to know: which supplier did you use? Looking at Amazon right now and some of their prices are ridiculously good, like the 18-pack of Foam LED sticks for $18.90 with Prime shipping. Even their LED finger lights beats most eBay prices.

You might check out EG again and see if their UPS ground provides a better deal. Still, I'd go there only if you wanted a large consolidated order.
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Post by Eric » Thu Nov 21, 2013 5:54 am

BBadger wrote:I'm also not sure about what you ordered, but bulk -- not weight -- is often the deciding factor in the cost of shipping such items.
Part of my day job is regularly shipping things, including boxes with 150 CDs +other items, weighing several times what my order from Extreme Glow did. Those boxes are roughly 11" x 8" x 6", they cost me $12.35 to ship across country. You could have fit about 10 of my orders into one of those boxes - my orders came in small padded envelopes from China, and the postage (from the vendors that charged), from China, was about $4. The Extreme Glow shipping price was gouging, plain & simple, and has cost them a customer, permanently.

I also didn't use a single supplier, I google-shopped for the kind of lights I was looking for, then went with the cheapest ones w/shipping (I had plenty of lead time). One vendor was Chinese, but their warehouse was actually in California (decent prices, super fast delivery), a few where based out of the Hong Kong region, one was a US vendor. They were all battery-powered "fairy lights" in various formats - I will be adding a lot more this year.
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Post by fernley1 » Thu Nov 21, 2013 8:52 am

I too got some fairy lights from China last year. They worked good.
I got purple colored ones, discovered that they made florescent colored painted stuff glow.( Art idea for next year?)

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Post by Drawingablank » Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:00 pm

Eric wrote: Part of my day job is regularly shipping things, including boxes with 150 CDs +other items, weighing several times what my order from Extreme Glow did. Those boxes are roughly 11" x 8" x 6", they cost me $12.35 to ship across country. You could have fit about 10 of my orders into one of those boxes - my orders came in small padded envelopes from China, and the postage (from the vendors that charged), from China, was about $4. The Extreme Glow shipping price was gouging, plain & simple, and has cost them a customer, permanently.
Did you try contacting them? Recently I needed to order some icepicks and bumped my order to 18 to meet their minimum but the freight came up at some absurd amount something like 182.00 for my 25.00 order that weighed about 2 pounds. A quick phone call got me them for about 7.00 shipping because their web site's shopping cart software was calculating shipping based on a seperate box for each item (essentially shipping 18 cartons) and none of the brain trust that worked there was able to figure out the setting to make it work correctly.

Not that I am a huge fan of EG - I only have about a 50% success rate with their products under playa conditions.
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Post by FossaFerox » Thu Nov 21, 2013 5:07 pm

Drawingablank wrote: Not that I am a huge fan of EG - I only have about a 50% success rate with their products under playa conditions.
That's why I'm looking for particular recommendations. The arm bands EG sells look identical to the ones that crapped out on me. Different supplier, but I'd bet good money it's the same manufacturer. Perhaps this warrants a thread split. "Blinky shit that isn't shit at blinking"...
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Post by theCryptofishist » Thu Nov 21, 2013 6:37 pm

I basically feel blinkies are a rip-off. No matter what you seem to pay, it's depressed, Chinese slave labor with no pride in craftmanship. And I roll my eyes when I'm told how much better for the environment they are. Single use is single use.
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Post by FossaFerox » Thu Nov 21, 2013 6:42 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:I basically feel blinkies are a rip-off. No matter what you seem to pay, it's depressed, Chinese slave labor with no pride in craftmanship. And I roll my eyes when I'm told how much better for the environment they are. Single use is single use.
Well, I'm looking for something that IS quality. Something I could reuse year after year. EL wire is fragile and temperamental in my experience. Half my camp had problems with theirs. I'd love to take the AC inverter/oscillator/driver out of the equation and go with LEDs but finding LED solutions that aren't trash is tricky. Hence my asking. ;)
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Post by BBadger » Thu Nov 21, 2013 9:29 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:I basically feel blinkies are a rip-off. No matter what you seem to pay, it's depressed, Chinese slave labor with no pride in craftmanship. And I roll my eyes when I'm told how much better for the environment they are. Single use is single use.
I think expensive, "reusable" blinkies are a rip-off. However, I think those cheapo one-use lights are priced just about right at $1/ea; finger lights at ~$0.15-0.25. My friend would tell me that he'd buy new batteries for those finger lights back in the day because they used to be so expensive. FORGET THAT! Now the LEDs in them are so cheap they're essentially disposable.

Moreover, even when they are reusable (as most claim) I'm usually too lazy to go about popping off the back and replacing the batteries (some even required unscrewing). It wasn't that I didn't try: I've even bought the batteries. But after fiddling with 2-3 LED sticks or other gear, the batteries have gone unused because it's just not worth the time when I'd just rather pay $20 for 20x more LED sticks or whatever ornament.

It is a shame that these things are essentially discarded after the event, but considering all the waste that the event produces anyway, it doesn't really toll on my mind.
FossaFerox wrote:Well, I'm looking for something that IS quality. Something I could reuse year after year. EL wire is fragile and temperamental in my experience. Half my camp had problems with theirs. I'd love to take the AC inverter/oscillator/driver out of the equation and go with LEDs but finding LED solutions that aren't trash is tricky. Hence my asking. ;)
Then you should make your own for your costume. :) For everything else that isn't a camping flashlight/headlamp, blinkies, etc. are usually cheaply made for raves and birthday parties, and even when they're somewhat better, they're all not designed to weather a place like Burning Man. You'll have to seal them up, provide adequate power supplies, garment attachments, etc. It's not worth laying down $10 for blinky, or even $5 -- unless it's for something custom. Look at those prices on those Lilypad clothing-lights. Ouch! Maybe you could fab your own with PCBs, but that still costs a bit -- especially time.

Also investing in fewer, better things means you can't deck out your gear with a lot more cheap disposable stuff. You could get a nice biking blinky for your backpack, or something else for your shirt, but how many are you going to buy? What if what you buy isn't generic enough to be used in something else next time?

Another thing: are you really accomplishing anything if you're not using the quality gizmo the remaining days of the year? Is a high-quality blinky really a great value in that case? It's like how people want to buy solar power panels just for the burn. It's a terrible "investment" that will not pay for itself in the lifetime of the person, let alone the panels themselves.

So why not just take a different approach and make your ordinary or cheap stuff playa-proofed? For example, what about alternatives like jamming a cheapo-light into a clear container to protect it? Even good stuff is liable to get wrecked on the playa. I had a nice Camelbak get wrecked by an aerosol sunblock canister that was leaking liquid. The playa dust stuck to the mix, making some awful brown-colored stain that doesn't wash out. For lights, unless they're well sealed, they're going to corrode out there regardless of how quality they are.

So... well.. think about it. Maybe high quality isn't the answer. Maybe reusable is relatively meaningless if there isn't much "use" in the first place. Maybe the solution is to build around what you have to make it last on the playa.
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Post by theCryptofishist » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:05 am

I hate those things that unscrew. Really, even at home you're likely to lose that teeny, tiny screw. On playa...
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Post by FossaFerox » Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:21 pm

I tend to not trust the cheap blinky shit and I hate turning into a darkwad by accident. I tend to be out all night and when the batteries on those $0.25 lights start to dim at 4-5 AM I get sad. :P
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Post by Sham » Fri Nov 22, 2013 6:18 pm

A good back up idea is to bring a fist full of battery powered glow sticks. (is that an oxymoron?) I bring about 10 of these and pass them out or use them myself and put an occasional one on some drunken sleeping darktard. By the end of the week, all 10 are gone!
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Post by BBadger » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:54 am

theCryptofishist wrote:I hate those things that unscrew. Really, even at home you're likely to lose that teeny, tiny screw. On playa...
Yeah, that's another reason why I figure that any stick I'll replace the batteries for I'll just bring home and do it. No need to do it on-playa, even during down time, or have to use some magnet or something to locate that screw in a heap of dust. Plus my hands are chapped and sore. I don't want to fiddle with some crappy screw -- only to let dust into the battery compartment in the process.
FossaFerox wrote:I tend to not trust the cheap blinky shit and I hate turning into a darkwad by accident. I tend to be out all night and when the batteries on those $0.25 lights start to dim at 4-5 AM I get sad. :P
Yeah, but that's a function of the batteries, not necessarily the lights themselves. Those 3x AG3 batteries just don't last beyond a night for any LED stick, even in blink mode. So that's why you bring a few along. ;)

I actually find the cheap LED sticks (I have one right here that I'm looking at) at places like EG to be pretty good quality. Some have hard plastic (like these), diffusers, multiple colors, nice buttons, lanyards, etc. all for about $1.10. Their main issue -- as with all LED sticks -- is just that they don't have long battery life due to the type of batteries they use. A more expensive variant won't increase battery life either; they usually just have more light modes. So your time and money might be better spent retrofitting larger cells onto the stick at a greater weight.

Consider just buying a 3-AAA flashlight host (or just the battery holder) and fixing some LEDs to that -- or an LED stick. Load 'em up with NiMH batteries for even longer duration because they're better for supplying current.
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Post by Kairielise » Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:27 am

Does anyone have any experience with the LED tape strips they sell for cars? Their fairly cheap at Walmart, come in any color and some have blinky effects. And they come wired to a battery pack and test button in the package. I figure it shouldn't be too hard to replace the button with a switch but I'm curious about the battery life on them, and how they stand up to the dust.

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Post by BBadger » Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:49 pm

They probably last a decent while if they're using AA or AAA batteries. The problem with a lot of lights is that they're meant for static mounting and safer conditions (like the insides of cars). If you're using it for costuming or on bikes/art cars, the parts/wires may bend and break from moving around. Junglesmacks' costume had that problem (mostly his first iteration), especially with the wiring between the various pixels on the suit. You need some strain relief, flexible wires, secure mounting, etc. to make sure that things don't snap, while also not restricting your movement. The buttons are apt to lose connection from the dust or effects on the connectors (corrosion, etc.). Keeping them sealed up in bottles or stuff like that can help quite a bit.
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Post by fernley1 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:36 am

^^^ thats why I think the dog collars my have worked so well for me this year.
They are made strong becouse dogs can be so rough on them.

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Post by lucky420 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:08 pm

^^ and dog collars can be just straight up sexy!


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Post by theCryptofishist » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:37 pm

lucky420 wrote:^^ and dog collars can be just straight up sexy!
Oooh, Lucky, I never knew you were that kind of girl...
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