Top 10 leftist liberal excuses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[calicowboy925]

1) Hanging chads..Oh wait, we tried that already...
2) Micheal Moore didn't take a bath!
3) Too many long faces in the Kerry camp!

[SilkenTofu]

1) Hanging chads..Oh wait, we tried that already...
2) Micheal Moore didn't take a bath!
3) Too many long faces in the Kerry camp!

I knew Republicans couldn't count to 10! All these long years it was just a suspicion now confirmed.

[Simply Joel]

1) Hanging chads..Oh wait, we tried that already...
2) Micheal Moore didn't take a bath!
3) Too many long faces in the Kerry camp!

I knew Republicans couldn't count to 10! All these long years it was just a suspicion now confirmed.

silken, you beat me to that one...

[calicowboy925]

No, cant count to 10, but can count to 135,000 votes in Ohio!!!!! And I knew the leftist tax and spend cry baby democrats couldn't get off the couch to vote!

[thinkcooper]

Kerry's announced his loss to Bush, with his concession speech planned for this afternoon according to the talking heads.

Interesting numbers. Bush wins with the largest popular vote numbers in history, besting the numbers that elected Reagan in 1984.

And Kerry, the anti-bush candidate draws in the second largest numbers in the history of the popular vote, besting Reagan's 1984 numbers as well.

Bush's victory will be heralded as a mandate, and so was the vote for his opposition. The country is divided in half, with each thinking the other are dimwits. It's going to be a turbulent four years, regardless of the victor.

It's in Bush's court now, with unobstructed congressional support. Please try to keep the deficit under 800 billion and the death of US soldiers under the number of 911 victims. It would be a good idea to not start WW3 as well. One last request Mr. Bush, please don't kill any more kids, ours or theirs. It won't look good when the final "moral" judgement is rendered.

[SilkenTofu]

Bush's victory will be heralded as a mandate, and so was the vote for his opposition. The country is divided in half, with each thinking the other are dimwits. It's going to be a turbulent four years, regardless of the victor.

you're right Coop, people would have been upset either way.

I think with terrorism in the forfront of important issues, the thought of something happening to Kerry leaving Edwards as President was a factor in the loss. (excuse #4?)

[Simply Joel]

Bush's victory will be heralded as a mandate, and so was the vote for his opposition. The country is divided in half, with each thinking the other are dimwits. It's going to be a turbulent four years, regardless of the victor.

you're right Coop, people would have been upset either way.

I think with terrorism in the forfront of important issues, the thought of something happening to Kerry leaving Edwards as President was a factor in the loss. (excuse #4?)

Silk, i beg to differ... i don't recall alot of hand-wringing by my fellow republicans when Slick Willie was elected twice... actually, Gingrich and his goons started planning before the inauguration was over... so... if i were you (speaking to the other party) i would begin planning the new legislature for 2006... if not, please don't let me interfere with your pity party.

[samtzu]

1) Hanging chads..Oh wait, we tried that already...
2) Micheal Moore didn't take a bath!
3) Too many long faces in the Kerry camp!

I vote that we make him the official Spokesman of the Right. His emotion, even if not his brain, is in the right place.

[samtzu]

Bush's victory will be heralded as a mandate, and so was the vote for his opposition. The country is divided in half, with each thinking the other are dimwits. It's going to be a turbulent four years, regardless of the victor.

you're right Coop, people would have been upset either way.

I think with terrorism in the forfront of important issues, the thought of something happening to Kerry leaving Edwards as President was a factor in the loss. (excuse #4?)

Silk, i beg to differ... i don't recall alot of hand-wringing by my fellow republicans when Slick Willie was elected twice... actually, Gingrich and his goons started planning before the inauguration was over... so... if i were you (speaking to the other party) i would begin planning the new legislature for 2006... if not, please don't let me interfere with your pity party.

Not a lot of hand wringing, but the dirty tricks they used to try to get Slick Willy out of the White House were despicable. It was reminiscent of the Reconstructionist Republicans that went after Andrew Johnson. The Republicans are not shining examples of virtue... but, then again, neither is Slick Willy.

Are people upset that that their favorite professional politician didn't win? Or are they upset that the divisive policies of the current 'ruling' (owning the Administration, House, Senate, and, coming soon, the Supreme Court!) party are going to become even more entrenched? The latter, I assume. Let them be upset. They are due.

I prefer to stay away from the gloating of such no-necks as Calicoboy, and resume an honest dialogue with a more intelligent group of individuals, such as the Joel that I have read and enjoyed for the last year or so. A gloating Joel doesn't seem possible, and, fortunately, I haven't seen one here.

Now, lets talk substance.... preferably on the real Politics threads.... not this bonehead excuse for one.

[calicowboy925]

Now Sam, after the ridicule and other less-than-kind statements I've endured from you and those of your ilk for my slightly right of center political viewpoints, I think you can put up with one brief a.m. of my gloating... OK, it's done and as I said before, none of us need be assaulted with either of the 2 clowns we have had to watch in their dance for at least another 4 years. I just don't get how one side can be so open to ideas/thoughts that coincide with their POV and just harsh with opposing ideas and thoughts. It's interaction, the answer is somewhere in the middle, as i often have said. So go on Sam, with your "no-neck" comments and what-not, Again I find myself wishing you and I lived nearer to each other so you could say those things to me over a beer.

[Simply Joel]

no gloating here, the tables turn far too quickly to gloat.

hey everyone, how about a little civility?

[samtzu]

Now Sam, after the ridicule and other less-than-kind statements I've endured from you and those of your ilk for my slightly right of center political viewpoints, I think you can put up with one brief a.m. of my gloating... OK, it's done and as I said before, none of us need be assaulted with either of the 2 clowns we have had to watch in their dance for at least another 4 years. I just don't get how one side can be so open to ideas/thoughts that coincide with their POV and just harsh with opposing ideas and thoughts. It's interaction, the answer is somewhere in the middle, as i often have said. So go on Sam, with your "no-neck" comments and what-not, Again I find myself wishing you and I lived nearer to each other so you could say those things to me over a beer.

It's a date...

I just don't get how one side can be so open to ideas/thoughts that coincide with their POV and just harsh with opposing ideas and thoughts.

You have presented a persona that is not open to new ideas, and is, in fact, a no-nothing straight out of the 19th century. The fact that this is simply a pose, and that you are only posting this horseshit to stir people up doesn't mean that you're an 'okay guy'. It means you're an emotional cripple who hides behind his different monikers because he doesn't have the courage, emotional, physical, or even political, to stand on his own. I'd love to have that beer with you, but it would be a waste of time on both sides of the table. You have presented yourself (in many of your persona's) as a person with no moral center. So be it. If you ever find one, let us know. Until then, you are a speed bump to more serious (and even less than serious) conversation. When you get serious, I'll get serious.

Dickhead...

[Simply Joel]

Now Sam, after the ridicule and other less-than-kind statements I've endured from you and those of your ilk for my slightly right of center political viewpoints, I think you can put up with one brief a.m. of my gloating... OK, it's done and as I said before, none of us need be assaulted with either of the 2 clowns we have had to watch in their dance for at least another 4 years. I just don't get how one side can be so open to ideas/thoughts that coincide with their POV and just harsh with opposing ideas and thoughts. It's interaction, the answer is somewhere in the middle, as i often have said. So go on Sam, with your "no-neck" comments and what-not, Again I find myself wishing you and I lived nearer to each other so you could say those things to me over a beer.

escalation of hostilities is a choice, Calico... you could have ignored the comments or perhaps not "added fuel to the fire..."

oh well, you do as you wish

and yes, i have been weak previously and nouned a few folks...

[calicowboy925]

See its the voices again...and this time the "Voice of Reason"!!! Ahhhh...Yeah, I seem to get Sam's goat, and i am NOT trying to...and sure it escalates, but i am interested in the opposing views, in that i want to understand them, i dont want to piss off the owners of such. I know Sam is very smart and an intellectual, so i want to know how he comes to his beliefs, but in this media, i come across wrong and , well, there i go....

[samtzu]

See its the voices again...and this time the "Voice of Reason"!!! Ahhhh...Yeah, I seem to get Sam's goat, and i am NOT trying to...and sure it escalates, but i am interested in the opposing views, in that i want to understand them, i dont want to piss off the owners of such. I know Sam is very smart and an intellectual, so i want to know how he comes to his beliefs, but in this media, i come across wrong and , well, there i go....

No shit, Sherlock...

Try some fucking manners...

[stuart]

Calico,

are you anti-gay?
pro-life?
anti-stem cell research?

[calicowboy925]

Stuart, I am only anti-government supported stem cell research. The science is not there, there is zero evidence that stem cells can help with spinal cord injury, alzhiemer's or anything for that matter. If it is such a great technology why are private companies not clamoring for advancement??? Someone else here posted about the problem is this will create a market for embryo's, thus a trade in them....

[Q_]

Stuart, I am only anti-government supported stem cell research. The science is not there, there is zero evidence that stem cells can help with spinal cord injury, alzhiemer's or anything for that matter. If it is such a great technology why are private companies not clamoring for advancement??? Someone else here posted about the problem is this will create a market for embryo's, thus a trade in them....

We already have enough stem cells. They self multiply. There isn't a reason to "gather" anymore. We can grow stems cells like we grow bacterial cultures. It doesn't require "new" cells.

[stuart]

I only ask because these are the issues that got your guy elected. Do you know that your party got a guy into the senate yesterday who is on record as saying abortion ought to be a capital offense, that is, punishable by the death penalty?

The presidential race is one matter, but 11 states passing gay marriage bans makes me far more sad I think.

[theCryptofishist]

The presidential race is one matter, but 11 states passing gay marriage bans makes me far more sad I think.

My stomach won't even let me think about it.

[Rian Jackson]

TomPaine.com
Monday, November 1, 2004

It's not even Election Day yet, and the Kerry-Edwards campaign is already down by a almost a million votes. That's because, in important states like Ohio, Florida and New Mexico, voter names have been systematically removed from the rolls and absentee ballots have been overlooked-overwhelmingly in minority areas, like Rio Arriba County, New Mexico, where Hispanic voters have a 500 percent greater chance of their vote being "spoiled." Investigative journalist Greg Palast reports on the trashing of the election.


An Election Spoiled Rotten
by Greg Palast

John Kerry is down by several thousand votes in New Mexico, though not one ballot has yet been counted. He's also losing big time in Colorado and Ohio: and he's way down in Florida, though the votes won't be totaled until Tuesday night.

Through a combination of sophisticated vote rustling-ethnic cleansing of voter rolls, absentee ballots gone AWOL, machines that "spoil" votes-John Kerry begins with a nationwide deficit that could easily exceed one million votes.


---The Urge To Purge---

Colorado Secretary of State Donetta Davidson just weeks ago removed several thousand voters from the state's voter rolls. She tagged felons as barred from voting. What makes this particularly noteworthy is that, unlike like Florida and a handful of other Deep South states, Colorado does not bar ex-cons from voting. Only those actually serving their sentence lose their rights.

There's no known, verified case of a Colorado convict voting illegally from the big house. Because previous purges have wiped away the rights of innocents, federal law now bars purges within 90 days of a presidential election to allow a voter to challenge their loss of civil rights.

To exempt her action from the federal rule, Secretary Davidson declared an "emergency." However, the only "emergency" in Colorado seems to be President Bush's running dead, even with John Kerry in the polls.

Why the sudden urge to purge? Davidson's chief of voting law enforcement is Drew Durham, who previously worked for the attorney general of Texas. This is what the former spokeswoman for the Lone Star state's attorney general says of Mr. Durham: He is, "unfit for public office... a man with a history of racism and ideological zealotry." Sounds just right for a purge that affects, in the majority, non-white voters.

>From my own and government investigations of such purge lists, it is unlikely that this one contains many, if any, illegal voters.

But it does contain Democrats. The Dems may not like to shout about this, but studies indicate that 90-some percent of people who have served time for felonies will, after prison, vote Democratic. One suspects Colorado's Republican secretary of state knows that.


---Ethnic Cleansing Of The Voter Rolls---

We can't leave the topic of ethnically cleansing the voter rolls without a stop in Ohio, where a Republican secretary of state appears to be running to replace Katherine Harris.

In Cuyahoga County (Cleveland), some citizens have been caught Registering While Black. A statistical analysis of would-be voters in Southern states by the watchdog group Democracy South indicates that black voters are three times as likely as white voters to have their registration requests "returned" (i.e., subject to rejection).

And to give a boost to this whitening of the voter rolls, for the first time since the days of Jim Crow, the Republicans are planning mass challenges of voters on Election Day. The GOP's announced plan to block 35,000 voters in Ohio ran up against the wrath of federal judges; so, in Florida, what appear to be similar plans had been kept under wraps until the discovery of documents called "caging" lists. The voters on the "caging" lists, disclosed last week by BBC Television London, are, almost exclusively, residents of African-American neighborhoods.

Such racial profiling as part of a plan to block voters is, under the Voting Rights Act, illegal. Nevertheless, neither the Act nor federal judges have persuaded the party of Lincoln to join the Democratic Party in pledging not to distribute blacklists to block voters on Tuesday.


---Absentee Ballots Go AWOL---

It's 10pm: Do you know where your absentee ballot is? Voters wary about computer balloting are going postal: in some states, mail-in ballot requests are up 500 percent. The probability that all those votes-up to 15 million-will be counted is zip.

Those who mail in ballots are very trusting souls. Here's how your trust is used. In the August 31 primaries in Florida, Palm Beach Elections Supervisor Theresa LePore (a.k.a. Madame Butterfly Ballot) counted 37,839 absentee votes. But days before, her office told me only 29,000 ballots had been received. When this loaves-and-fishes miracle was disclosed, she was forced to recount, cutting the tally to 31,138.

Had she worked it the other way, disappearing a few thousand votes instead of adding additional ones, there would be almost no way to figure out the fix (or was it a mistake?). Mail-in voter registration forms are protected by federal law. Local government must acknowledge receiving your registration and must let you know if there's a problem (say, with signature or address) that invalidates your registration. But your mail-in vote is an unprotected crapshoot. How do you know if your ballot was received? Was it tossed behind a file cabinet-or tossed out because you did not include your middle initial? In many counties, you won't know.

And not every official is happy to have your vote. It is well-reported that Broward County, Fla., failed to send out nearly 60,000 absentee ballots. What has not been nationally reported is that Broward's elections supervisor is a Jeb Bush appointee who took the post only after the governor took the unprecedented step of removing the prior elected supervisor who happened be a Democrat.


---A Million Votes In The Electoral Trash Can---

"If the vote is stolen here, it will be stolen in Rio Arriba County," a New Mexico politician told me. That's a reasoned surmise: in 2000, one in 10 votes simply weren't counted-chucked out, erased, discarded. In the voting biz, the technical term for these vanishing votes is "spoilage." Citizens cast ballots, but the machines don't notice. In one Rio Arriba precinct in the last go-'round, not one single vote was cast for president-or, at least, none showed up on the machines.

Not everyone's vote spoils equally. Rio Arriba is 73 percent Hispanic. I asked nationally recognized vote statistician Dr. Philip Klinkner of Hamilton College to run a "regression" analysis of the Hispanic ballot spoilage in the Enchanted State. He calculated that a brown voter is 500 percent more likely to have their vote spoiled than a white voter. And It's worse for Native Americans. Vote spoilage is epidemic near Indian reservations.

Votes don't spoil because they're left out of the fridge. It comes down to the machines. Just as poor people get the crap schools and crap hospitals, they get the crap voting machines.

It's bad for Hispanics; but for African Americans, it's a ballot-box holocaust. An embarrassing little fact of American democracy is that, typically, two million votes are spoiled in national elections, registering no vote or invalidated. Based on studies by the U.S. Civil Rights Commission and the Harvard Law School Civil Rights project, about 54 percent of those ballots are cast by African Americans. One million black votes vanished˜phffft!

There's a lot of politicians in both parties that like it that way; suppression of the minority is the way they get elected. Whoever is to blame, on Tuesday, the Kerry-Edwards ticket will take the hit. In Rio Arriba, Democrats have an eight-to-one registration edge over Republicans. Among African Americanvoters...well, you can do the arithmetic yourself.

The total number of votes siphoned out of America's voting booths is so large, you won't find the issue reported in our self-glorifying news media. The one million missing black, brown and red votes spoiled, plus the hundreds of thousands flushed from voter registries, is our nation's dark secret: an apartheid democracy in which wealthy white votes almost always count, but minorities are often purged or challenged or simply not recorded. In effect, Kerry is down by a million votes before one lever is pulled, card punched or touch-screen touched.



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[geekster]

Stuart, I am only anti-government supported stem cell research. The science is not there, there is zero evidence that stem cells can help with spinal cord injury, alzhiemer's or anything for that matter. If it is such a great technology why are private companies not clamoring for advancement??? Someone else here posted about the problem is this will create a market for embryo's, thus a trade in them....

We already have enough stem cells. They self multiply. There isn't a reason to "gather" anymore. We can grow stems cells like we grow bacterial cultures. It doesn't require "new" cells.

Yeah. I read recently that there were currently 22 lines of stem cells to choose from. Any researcher that wants them can have them. The administration actually INCREASED funding for stem cell research. The ONLY thing the administration did was eliminate the funding for the harvest of stem cells from aborted fetuses to prevent a market from developing. The crap that the administration is against stem cell research is simply that, crap. It is rhetoric that a political party has developed by taking a part of the truth and stretching it in a direction that benefits them. The sad part is that many believe it.

[Simply Joel]

and so it goes....

[calicowboy925]

Stuart, Yeah, I am not a "by party lines" type, i only align myself on that side because they generally stand for smaller government and lower taxes. I have interests with large tax liabilities and thus i vote to the right ...usually. I would pick the best guy as I see it, no matter the party. I DO think the GOP is crazy with their stance on the abortion issue. But then I am not catering to the "Bible Belt" voters....I do not even know if the GOP themselves believe in that stance, but for appearance they subscribe to it. The party stategists probably figure they will gain more by taking that position and getting that vote knowing they piss off people from California and the like. Can't please em all they probably think. I do not know this from any source other than my observations. I also like the GOP over Dems because Dems seem to want to provide the populace with everything from food, jobs to health care. I obvie recognize people need these things, but i do not see that it is the role of the government to provide it. We need a safety net, to help those that are down, but not as a way of life. Clearly, i am torn, but I am sure from reading on here you know I am villified for my views.

[geekster]

Oh, and since I am not a Republican, I feel no need to defend them and since I am not a Democrat, I feel no need to attack them. But the stem cell issue is a good example of how the Democrats acted in this election and why they alienated a good part of the population.

Action: Administration stops funding for fetal stem cell research.
Reaction: The Administration has stopped funding for stem cells, we need stem cells, without stem cells there will be no cure for Alzheimers. Without the ban of fetal stem cells, Christopher Reeve would be better off now, the Bush administration killed Superman! The Bush administration is killing helpless old people! Elect Kerry and cure Alzheimers and paralysis!

See, it is CRAP. The good thing is that it is SUCH crap that most people recognize it as crap unless you WANT to believe it is so. The Democrats were busy drinking their own kool-aid but nobody else was.

THIS is what the DNC needs to change if they want to get back into power.

[samtzu]

Calico wrote:

Clearly, i am torn, but I am sure from reading on here you know I am villified for my views.

You are villified for you villification of others... schmuck.

[geekster]

To give a more concrete suggestion to the Democrats about what I think will being more into their camp on this particular issue ...

Explain the difference between embyonic and adult stem cells.
Explain what research can only be done with embryonic cells.
Explain how their collection would be regulated.
Explain now much that regulation would cost and who would pay for it.
Explain why NOT funding it is a bad idea and give REAL costs for NOT persuing it.

In other words, treat people like they are reading the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, not like they are reading the Weekly World News.

Suggestions along these lines will carry over across many issues. The people are not stupid, stop treating them like they are. A presidential election is not an advertizing campaign for a sitcom, stop treating it like one.

[tisha2]

To give a more concrete suggestion to the Democrats about what I think will being more into their camp on this particular issue ...

Explain the difference between embyonic and adult stem cells.

i don't know a whole lot about the issue, but i believe stem cells come from umbilical cords...which adults don't have.

[geekster]

The umbilical cord does have stem cells, but those are considered adult stem cells because they have already differentiated. Embyonic stem cells come from an embryo.

Bone marrow stem cells, for example can only make bone marrow cells. Blood stem cells can only make blood cells. Embryonic stem cells have the potential to become any kind of cell.

Shortly after conception when the embryo is only a few hundred cells it differentiates into two kinds of cells, an outer covering and an internal mass. That mass are stem cells that eventually differentiate to become skin, bone, blood, organs, etc.

More info about blood stem cells here:

http://www.marrow.org/MEDICAL/sources_o ... cells.html

[talking_sausage]

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.