Where's all the smack talkers NOW????????

calicowboy925 · Post by **calicowboy925** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:31 am

Oh, right, at home licking their wounds! Ha Ha Ha...As predicted and with style as Bush wins with RECORD popular vote! The lowly entitlement demanding left and their stinky poster boy Micheal Moore sent packing! The youth vote??? Never showed up! Probably sitting in their basement in Seattle smoking pot instead!

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:11 am

you must be one of those people with an IQ of less than 50.

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:11 pm

calicowboy925 wrote: with style as Bush wins

ok, ya'll.... who can honestly say that Bush has ever done ANYTHING with 'style'? Unless we mean really really bad style...

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:21 pm

One thing to remember folks ...

All this outragious hate against Bush started because people were pissed that he lost the popular vote in 2000 so his presidency was not "legitimate". Well, this time it is. He not only won the largest number of absolute votes, he also got a larger percentage of the popular vote than Clinton ever got.

It is pretty legitimate at this point. Y'all can start to let go of some of that hate now. I know it will be hard since you have been reinforcing it for 4 years now but it's over, time to let it go and try to be constructive somehow.

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:25 pm

already thought about the whole legitimacy thing.

and it's not with hate that i say bush lacks style. he can't talk without a teleprompter, dude.

one of the best things i ever did during the protests against the war was get this rabid bush supporter to really talk to me. about music, about whatever. 'cause he, like you, thought it was all about bush hating...by the time we were finished he realised how wrong he was.

i 'hate' about 99% of our government, not just bush. but seriously, why the hell would i waste my energy hating him when i can use it to fight or undermine him?

he still lacks style, man. policies aside, IQ aside, legitimacy aside.... he does not get style points.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:36 pm

I hate the RNC operatives for 2000.

I hate Bush for being such an awful president, such an embarassment, such a close minded zealot, such a liar, such a bigot, so provincial, so down right mean spirited.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:38 pm

as far as the election numbers are concerned, more people voted against him than any other candidate in history. So what. We had very good voter turnout. I am at least thankful for that.

regynalonglank · Post by **regynalonglank** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:42 pm

it is certainly sad how fear based it seems most voting was...and i am not happy today, i'm still sort of in shock. but in the end i suppose it doesn't matter much. time will go by, and this too shall pass.

it is disheartening to see how much of the country apparently agrees with his policies. i am interested to see how far they can take it really...now that they have room to run we will see what they can accomplish.

hopefully the next four years will not see a continuing erosion of human rights, hopefully the checks and balances of government will keep us safe.

i can only hope.

Lydia Love · Post by **Lydia Love** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:45 pm

hate Bush for being such an awful president, such an embarassment, such a close minded zealot, such a liar, such a bigot, so provincial, so down right mean spirited.

Thank you Stuart, for saying exactly what I was going to... but in much fewer words.

I don't see why I can't hate him and still find a way to be constructive.

And I don't see why I shouldn't be allowed to have a good crying, raging tantrum for a few weeks before I do get constructive.

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:48 pm

Lydia Love wrote:
hate Bush for being such an awful president, such an embarassment, such a close minded zealot, such a liar, such a bigot, so provincial, so down right mean spirited.
Thank you Stuart, for saying exactly what I was going to... but in much fewer words.

I don't see why I can't hate him and still find a way to be constructive.

And I don't see why I shouldn't be allowed to have a good crying, raging tantrum for a few weeks before I do get constructive.

Be positive, sweet thang... Think of all the good music that'll come out over the next four years.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:52 pm

the thing I find interesting is that the data is showing he was not re-elected on the whole fear/security thing. He was re-elected because he hates those damned homos and those sinfull abortions. All 11 anti-gay marriage state measures passed. This clown got a pass via the morality test. He got a pass because a lot of pro-life homophobes turned out in big numbers.

checks and balances? Sorry to remind you R, but those comprise the supreme court, the senate and the house of representatives. All of which don't seem too keen on the balancing and checking thing at the moment.

I respect your optimism though

KellY · Post by **KellY** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:54 pm

Sensei wrote: Be positive, sweet thang... Think of all the good music that'll come out over the next four years.

A silver lining, true. To quote from my friend Lee Press-On's ( of the sadly departed Lee Press-On and the Nails)livejournal from a couple of months ago:

"It's no secret that years and years ago, before LPN was founded, I was a hardcore Industrial boy. I listened to Ministry and Skinny Puppy, Front Line Assembly and a young up-and-coming band that called themselves Nine Inch Nails. And while I still enjoyed jazz & swing, at that point my musical pendulum was more into Revolting Cocks territory. Then a couple of things happened. One, Clinton got elected. Twelve years of Reagan/Bush I republican paranoia was suddenly swept away, and we didn't stop thinking about tomorrow. There was a new feeling of national optimism. Skinny Puppy became scarce. Ministry seemed to lose its sting. Front Line Assembly gave way to Delerium. Only NIN remained strong, and that was because Trent sang mostly about soiled boy-girl relationships and teen angst (tried and true themes in popular music).

The other thing that happened was there was a movie called The Mask, which prompted me to found Lee Press-on and the Nails.

Those were heady times. During the largest period of economic growth in American history, people went out and enjoyed themselves. Swing was the music of celebration, and LPN had a grand time.

The huge recession in which we now find ourselves began the day after Election Day, 2000. You can look it up yourself on the DOW.

The Republican paranoia machine was back with a vengeance. People lost their jobs and pensions in record numbers. Corporations, forced to scale back their spending, stopped hiring live bands for company parties and went to DJs. Or they just stopped having company parties and went out of business. Enron. 9/11. Clubs were closing left and right because people couldn't afford to go out anymore. LPN went from playing four nights a week to four nights a month to twice a month.

But here's the good thing: we've got our Industrial bands back! Skinny Puppy has reunited and has a new CD out that's really quite good. So has Ministry and Front Line Assembly. I guess (and this is really my whole point) Industrial bands need a good repressive Republican regime in order to function properly. There's the rub. I like Industrial music, but I also like peace and prosperity. And a job.

Tough choice. "

regynalonglank · Post by **regynalonglank** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:56 pm

well you're right about that, but isn't that fear based too? fear of frying in hell because gay tax payers get the same rights as us? because a woman who doesn't want to have a baby chooses not to? same thing if you ask me...chicken shit mother fuckers ought to mind their own business...you don't see anyone trying to make missionary style illegal, or pass laws to prosecute for infidelity - why not make it illegal to get a woman pregnant if she doesn't want to be? i say put it on the penis!

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:58 pm

Another thank you to Stuart...

I do not hate Bush. I hate that people are blind enough to fall for his policies and actually believe it is the right way of going about things. I hate that he could do just about as much flipping and flopping as anyone else does, and then go off on Kerry for it. Stuff like, let the states decide on gay marriage, and then later, we need an amendment against that.

That is so GOP like. Yes, Kerry was probably the worst hope the democrats could put their faith in, but that doesn't mean that Bush is okay. Bush is a turd, and you know what they say out in the desert of the middle east, dontcah?

You can't polish a turd.

QuasiPseudo · Post by **QuasiPseudo** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:59 pm

Im just glad it was a clean election.

Bush set a record for the most popular votes. Kerry got the #2 position of this record. It was a close race. This doesnt mean they were the top two all-time popular presidential candidates in history; but it does mean that the country is more motivated to vote than ever. Regardless of outcome, I think this is a good thing. Personally, Ive learned more about politics in the past 4 years than I ever knew before.

Since this race was not a one-sided blowout, subsequent gloating seems out of place. Perhaps a private email to the handful of people who insult your beliefs directly would be more effective than biting your thumb wholly at anyone who did not vote Bush. That can only serve to alienate yourself from a great number of people, quite a few of which fully support your right to your own viewpoint as they believe have a right to theirs. This type of back & forth "You suck" , "No, YOU suck" mentality is exactly why the word 'polarization' is getting so much use.

I know, I know. - I suck. Hooray!

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:01 pm

back when I was an angry young man I helped found an industrial band that eventually settled in SF. It's odd how that music now sounds so trite and juvenille. Never did get into NIN. Always found trent to be too much of a hair band wanna be. Now, the revco/ministry NYE shows in downtown chicago in the mid eighties were the real deal. I wonder, with the election going the way it did, if it's time to dust off big sexy land.

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:09 pm

geekster wrote:One thing to remember folks ...

All this outragious hate against Bush started because people were pissed that he lost the popular vote in 2000 so his presidency was not "legitimate". Well, this time it is. He not only won the largest number of absolute votes, he also got a larger percentage of the popular vote than Clinton ever got.

It is pretty legitimate at this point. Y'all can start to let go of some of that hate now. I know it will be hard since you have been reinforcing it for 4 years now but it's over, time to let it go and try to be constructive somehow.

If I may disagree...

First, I don't hate. Hate is akin to Love in that it binds you emotionally to someone or something. No thanks.

Second, while many of us found Bush to be a disagreeable, thieving, little frat boy with the way the 2000 election was taken, most people just settled down to let him be president and make his own way. And the fact of the matter is that he has won this election, too. So be it. It is a fact that many here on the boards will learn to accept... as I have accepted it.

Third, even though he dropped the ball repeatedly with 9/11, he had won the hearts of most of the country, including, I might add, my own, by his sincere talk towards the country, and his sincere resolution to root out the terrorists and see that they face justice. Plus, at that time, the US was seen as a great nation suffering from a great wrong, and Bush was our spokesman... and he generally did fairly well in that position.

Fourth, It was Afganistan that begin to show what the administration was really made of. When the nations of the world began to ask about the treatment of prisoners from that action, the administration basically said, "None of your fucking business!" Hubris is not very glamorous, and this was hubris at it's peak, I thought. The very nation that was built on the idea of 'Liberty', that had fought a long hard battle to bring that liberty to it's own people(We are still working on it) was now trampling on liberty of those who had the temerity to stand up against it. It made us look like the school yard bully.

Fifth, the invasion of Iraq. Rather than work through the channels in place in the United Nations, the administration mooned the UN and then flipped it off, and went and blasted it's way into a sovereign nation without a real plan for victory. As a former pawn in that sort of game I was (and still am) extremely angry. Those young men and women were put in harms way without a plan to get them back out again. Any 2nd Lt. who did that would be court martialed. The Commander in Chief did it against the advice of his own advisors. He took all the good will that the rest of the world had towards the United States after 9/11 and pissed it away on this action, and most succeeding actions. And, I suspect (but can't prove) that he did it because Saddam Hussein sent out a hit team to kill his daddy. It must be nice to have your own army out after one man who threatened your family.

Am I angry? Yes. Do I hate Bush? No, nor anyone in the administration. But will I speak against them every appropriate chance I get? You damn betcha' Red Ryder! It is time for good people to speak out against the injustice that is being done in their name, in the people's name, while we still have the ability to speak out.

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:11 pm

Sort of the same story here Stuart. What do you play?

PS- you other people... why do you always want to compare everything to Clinton? Is that because Bush can't stand on his own? Or is it because you weren't alive when there were any other presidents?

lol.

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:15 pm

I just posted something for this thread elsewhere on the site...

oh the hell with it, who cares...

I certainly don't. Gotta love the interaction going on though.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:33 pm

On stage I was the drummer

off stage we all shared in the writing and the production

you?

d6 · Post by d6 » Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:41 pm

stuart - "Someone somewhere wake me up"

attack ships on fire!

d6,
also drumming bot

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:49 pm

attack ships on fire!

...off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time like tears in rain.

Isotopia · Post by **Isotopia** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:50 pm

Time to die.

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:51 pm

guitar. instrument is over in the corner looking at me all pissed off like because I don't spend enough time with it for ages~!

I miss it.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 6:08 pm

attack ships on fire!

i've been found out!!!!!

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 6:15 pm

He say you braderunnah.

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:07 pm

Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:16 pm

Badger wrote:Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.

right on Badg

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:20 pm

tonytohono wrote:PS- you other people... why do you always want to compare everything to Clinton?

#1 he was the previous president.
#2 both Clinton, Gore, Bush and Kerry are of the same generation
#3 Geo H Bush was the last president to actually serve in the military during WWII... this is actually significant to some people, maybe not you but some.
#4 they are close to the same age, see baby boomer reference

are those sufficient enough to satisfy your curiosity?

and those are the really easy reasons... i am not investing more time answering your question.

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:29 pm

you go Joel...

Where's all the smack talkers NOW????????

Where's all the smack talkers NOW????????

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