The Bar 2014 Edition

[Box Burner]

Congrats on the new job JayBobBoy. This should be a good year.


I was born in the year of the (Feb 3, 1954 – Jan 23, 1955), I am A Sagittarius (Dec 16), And we are about to enter the Year of the horse (Jan 31, 2014 – Feb 18, 2015). Should be a good year indeed.

[unjonharley]

New BM location

[theCryptofishist]

I bet that judge would love that!

[tattoogoddess]

Nope Tom and I will both be running it. He just found someone better than me.

Thanks for all the birthday wishes! Had 4 days off from work with the flu/mass stress. Going back to work tonight. So I need a shot of pepto!

[lucky420]

Don't sell yourself short TG.

[burner von braun]

Nope Tom and I will both be running it. He just found someonebetter suited than me.

..fixed that for ya..

Happy Birthday TTG

[FIGJAM]

This is kinda cool.

The links still work.

Tickets were $100.

https://web.archive.org/web/20000520053 ... ngman.com/

[Box Burner]

Really cool FG.

Well ya'll, have a good night. I'm off work now. Gonna move the house and bed down for the night.

[magicmarty]

Indeed, very cool, FJ. Thanks for posting that.

(((LF)))

[AntiM]

I got to meet my nephew's fiancee, nice girl. Makes me optimistic about family again. Not that I don't love you fuckos, but y'all aren't inheriting my family heirlooms.

[FIGJAM]

From 1998.

Q: What do tickets cost?

A: This year tickets again will cost $65 at the beginning of the year. This ticket price will increase to $80 on April 16. The price of a ticket will increase to $90 on June 16. Finally, ticket prices will advance to $100, on August 1 (two weeks in advance of last year's deadline). This graduated schedule is intended to encourage early commitment. Participants who buy their tickets in advance come better prepared to contribute to the life of our community. Furthermore, early purchases supply us with money for essential preparations. During the event ticket prices will continue to increase, rising $5 daily. This means that by the day of the Burn, Saturday, September 4, the price of a ticket will be $130, double the amount of the earliest purchase. It makes sense to buy an advance ticket! Late arriving participants who purchase tickets at our gate are a lesser burden on the physical infrastructure of our city. However, they represent a much greater burden on the social and cultural infrastructure of our community. This daily increase in price is a tax we levy on a lack of preparation and participation.

[Elorrum]

Good mOrning fj. Morning bar. Everyone have a good day!

[Captain Goddammit]

I traded an old Chevy van for my first Burning Man ticket.

[Aurelia]

But we have not changed at all

xoA.

[ygmir]

*wanders in, makes CCC*
Hi FJ, ASD, AntiM, Elorrum, Captain........and all the ships at sea.

Seeing some of the old stuff got me thinking:

I wonder, if a group started another fest, did it well, and more like the "original", if it'd build over time and compete with BRC.

I got the logs hauled up the hill yesterday, getting prepared to start learning to use my saw mill. I really look forward to making something, where I fell the tree, cut the lumber, and made "whatever".........sorta cool concept.

Another thing, and I bet many here are the same:
A friend noted, nothing I own in bought new, and nothing is "unmodified" and everything has a "trick" to operating it. We were trying to figure what drives me to these actions.
I think it's the challenge of making things "better", or at least more suited to my needs and wants.......also "bringing it back", where it's something that was going to be thrown away, and making it work again, or, remaking it into something else (Hofstove as an example).

any thoughts?

*strokes Juke, heads for IBBOD*

[media]

[FIGJAM]

*I wonder, if a group started another fest, did it well, and more like the "original", if it'd build over time and compete with BRC.

From what I've read, the orgs goal it's about expansion rather than competition.

They what more and bigger regionals.

The regionals we have now, then the main event, but scattered world wide.

I see that as 5 or 10 "playas" world wide all happening during the same time frame with 50,000 burners per.

Otherwise we would JUST GO TO ALL OF THEM!!!!!!!!!

As for your other thought, I enjoy the challenge, but the reason I build stuff is cause I can't find it to cash and carry.

I find something close to what I have in mind, then make it do what I want.

Sometime this requires starting from scratch.

[trilobyte]

There are others doing their own events and festivals in the ways that they see fit. Singularity comes to mind, and so does Lightning In A Bottle. There's also a sort-of-spinoff down in Mojave at the end of September, the Warrior's Weekend. And then there's the lunarburn and permaburn people, and I'm sure plenty others. They all exist and do their own thing.

In my first year, the lowest tier ticket was $140 (btw, ticket prices over the years are listed on the wiki page). Which was just about the same price as a ticket to Coachella that year. Ten years later, the ticket prices are still just about the same. Sure, we've got vehicle passes on top of that, but Coachella's got car camping passes (which are in far shorter supply than tickets) and much higher fees. Come to think of it, rents are higher too, and so's the price of gas...and food... and even a yard of fabric (we were just remarking how a material we used on a project back in 2007 cost $12 a yard, and now the same thing runs almost $40 a yard). In the end the impetus for building a time machine won't be to go back and kill Hitler or make major changes to the course of history, but for the discounted goods.

[MyDearFriend]

In the end the impetus for building a time machine won't be to go back and kill Hitler or make major changes to the course of history, but for the discounted goods.

Hahahahahahaham yes, buy in the past & sell in the future; antiques, first editions, vintage clothing and oh hey! A bottle of Jack!

[unjonharley]

6 days of fog over the valley.. noon,32 degrees, visibility 3 mile, cloud cover 200 feet. The air is so dirty babes and old goat stay inside.. I am at 530 ft and completly socked in..

[Box Burner]

Good Morning everyone!

I got to meet my nephew's fiancee, nice girl. Makes me optimistic about family again. Not that I don't love you fuckos, but y'all aren't inheriting my family heirlooms.

But, but... but... AntiM !? We were so looking forward to the fight over who gets what. and the chaos.

Especially the chaos. Nothing like a fight over stuff to get chaos. This could have been even better than the first day of a really big sale at Macy's!

[fernley1]

Yeah Ygmir, I also love to modify and try to improve things and make them better.
Its really bad when it comes to my truck. Its very modified, different engine, different transmission, I tell people it the truck Toyota should of built.
Being an aircraft mechanic for 26 years make you real picky when it comes to fixing stuff and making it right.

[Captain Goddammit]

I tend to be a glutton for punishment about that. I almost never buy a car or truck as a "done" vehicle that I do nothing but put gas in and drive.
Sometimes I do well, building something really great. Sometimes I end up with way too much work and way too much money into them after all is said and done, and should have just bought one "done".
I'm on my third Burning Man truck. The first ended up being a scratch build from a bare frame. It had a '73 F250 4x4 chassis, a '79 body, and a '68 428CJ motor. Plus a zillion other bits to make it complete. It went like hell but wasn't stable with a big camper. I gave it to a friend who'd done me a lot of favors.
Next was an '83 Chevy crew cab dually, pulled from a farmer's field, last owned by a deceased drug dealer from Oregon. I put an Olds 455 in it (because I had one), a new transmission, radiator, some glass and body parts, wheels and tires (six of 'em) and then put in a Cadillac 500 motor. Actually, in July of 2003, I put THREE different Caddy 500s in it getting ready for Burning Man. I ended up with enough money in it to have simply bought a nice truck… and though it was in great mechanical shape, it was worth $1800 on a good day. I got tired of throwing money away on it. It's still parked out back… I don't know what to do with it.
So I said fuck it, and went out and bought a nice truck, a low-miles '86 GMC 4x4 crew cab dually with a fresh GoodWrench 454 in it.
Well of course the seller was lying and that motor blew up rather quickly, and I ended up putting in a late-model 454 which did NOT simply bolt in like I had figured. And I'm already thinking about redoing the motor again.

But, I wouldn't trade for a new one - at least not for the BM trip. It's simple and reliable, and there's nothing in or on it I can't fix. No computer, no sensors, none of that shit that can go wrong and leave me stranded. And besides, the day isn't coming when I am willing to fork out $60,000 for a new pickup truck!

[Box Burner]

I got the logs hauled up the hill yesterday, getting prepared to start learning to use my saw mill. I really look forward to making something, where I fell the tree, cut the lumber, and made "whatever".........sorta cool concept.

Mention of your saw mill and knowing of your interests in working with stone and wood made me think of this. I know that you will not likely build anything this size but I thought you would be interested in the construction method. It is the Mormon tabernacle in SLC.

There were no railroad communications with the States and centers of production. All items that had to be imported had to be brought by ox team and wagon from a great distance. This brought about a great shortage of building supplies and materials in Utah. This was particularly true of those supplies that had to be manufactured, such as nails, glass, hinges, and organ controls and parts. In deference to this shortage, the huge roof of the Tabernacle was supported by arches constructed without the use of nails or bolts.
Frank Lloyd Wright dubbed the tabernacle "one of the architectural masterpieces of the country and perhaps the world."



A Remington bridge-style lattice was used for the construction. The roof structure is nine feet thick.




Photograph taken inside the roof of the Salt Lake Tabernacle. Note the construction of the wooden arch. The timbers were cut on the proper curve to make the arch. At each point where the timbers intersect, four holes were drilled and wooden pegs were driven through so that the pegs extended three inches on either side. The ends of the pegs were then split with wooden wedges, which were permanently driven into the pegs and which secured them solidly. Wherever they were cracked the timbers were wrapped with green rawhide, which contracted when dry and made a tight binding. This rawhide is still steel tight.

The original benches and columns supporting the balcony were made from the native "white pine" (Engelmann Spruce) that the Latter-day Saint pioneers hand painted the grain on the benches to look like oak and the pillars to resemble marble.

Anyway, thought you might find it interesting.

[unjonharley]

Did you know that the church organs brought west were just over size harmonicas.

I have disassembled, refinished/restored and reassembled several..

[ygmir]

wow BB, that is very cool!! thanks!!
I did some work with a renowned Japanese builder, who lives locally here. I forget the name of the technique, but no fasteneres were used there, either, and we made some super cool wood to stone joints, where once together, held as strong as the materials.

[fernley1]

Hey Box Burner, thanks for that Information, very interesting.
Loved the pictures!

[ygmir]

*wanders in, makes CCCB*
*sets drinks and snacks on bar, pulls remote latch to let War Rabbit out to forage and hunt.*

wow, one week to the Big Bash in Reno, aka "Amtrackathon", Doc Pyros' soiree of debauchery and hijinx.

Burnal Equinox planning is coming along, too, which should be a great party, as it has been in years past, here in Nevada County.

and a dang: one of my renters called last night and is moving.......so, now, I have to start looking for a new tenant, and I hate that part!!

*strokes TV, heads for ROS*

[media]

[Captain Goddammit]

and a dang: one of my renters called last night and is moving.......so, now, I have to start looking for a new tenant, and I hate that part!!

Yeah most renters are such trouble - either not paying or trashing the place or both, that I actually let my rental house sit vacant for the last several years. I have a full-of-enthusiasm 25-year-old in there now who works on the place in exchange for cheap rent, a great deal for both of us. I'm praying he doesn't wanna move for at least a year or two!
But as soon as I finish my coffee I gotta go over there and help him with the re-roofing job. We started a few weeks ago but got sidelined by rain.

[AntiM]

The little Japanese house I lived in had no wooden nails in the original part of the structure, it was all bamboo pegs and wooden pins. The support posts rested on flat stones. The whole thing would sway and rock in earthquakes, and I would have to learn which doors now slid easily and which would be stuck. Changed with every shaker.

[Elorrum]

Sometimes I grit my teeth when people say "renters" the way they do. I sell the cheapest everything to homeowners for their detested renters. They don't see me cringe when they conspiratorially describe what they want as being for a "rental." I know I get the crappiest things where I live, not deserving any better in the property owner's opinion as I'm expected to thrash around like an ape with a suitcase. My rent gets raised 8% a year, without fail, and all the cheap to replace everything quickly degrades, since it's crap. A cheap melamine particle board vanity starts peeling after a couple years, same with the plastic veneer kitchen cabinets. I live in a fairly old building, so I have a nice enameled tub, and kitchen sink, a few things built to last. I've changed the faucets to nicely working ones as the old ones rotted. If it were legal to kick the losers out immediately when their quality becomes apparent, in renting, and in employment, I think everyone's standards would be raised. If consequences were quick, obvious, and enforced, people might behave better.

It's get rid of bad coffee day here. I'm sorting out the old cupboard, and the various camping containers, and found several ziplocks, and old vacuum "fresh" bags of dubious grinds. I'll just say, I won't be sharing most of it here, as it's nasty: Nasty old, or nasty cheap. I might try the cold brew canister and make some concentrate. That method really takes the sting out of cheap coffee.

*hold nose and takes another gulp of what is likely old Folger's* gaaaak.